Thoughts on Dubai
Mar 11th 2009, 1:46 pm
#31
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Re: Thoughts on Dubai
I've never been a brand-freak and don't hold much store with them, but I do enjoy my food and so would prefer not to have to cut back on choice or quality. "Prefer" being the operative word.
I think Dubai is in serious trouble too... aside from investors losing however much, or the property bubble exploding, it'll be the normal people on the street who'll decide the fate of this place. Rents are coming down, but there's no such trend in the cost of living. When the people who still have jobs find that they can no longer afford to buy the goods that they consider basic (which include the little "luxuries" that they get in their home countries), it'll be the last nail in the coffin.
Yeah, sure, we can all live off local veg, rice and water... there's a heck of a lot that we can all cut back on, but hello?! Where did the "better quality of life" suddenly go?
Mar 11th 2009, 1:57 pm
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Re: Thoughts on Dubai
I agree.
There are plenty of people who came out to Dubai not just to make/save money, but to live a nice lifestyle. If I genuinely wanted to save every single penny and live as frugally as possible, I could have stayed at my old job in the US but moved to a cheaper apartment, stopped eating out, cut back on drinking, in general destroy 50% of my social life. There would be no need to come out to Dubai.
I came out here not just to make more money but to also live at least the same standard of living I had back home. Although my salary has been cut, I could still save $$ by reducing my standard of living (which I am sort of doing at the moment), but it's getting to the point that I might as well move back home and reduce my standard of living there too (once a job becomes available. Therein lies the kicker!).
There are plenty of people who came out to Dubai not just to make/save money, but to live a nice lifestyle. If I genuinely wanted to save every single penny and live as frugally as possible, I could have stayed at my old job in the US but moved to a cheaper apartment, stopped eating out, cut back on drinking, in general destroy 50% of my social life. There would be no need to come out to Dubai.
I came out here not just to make more money but to also live at least the same standard of living I had back home. Although my salary has been cut, I could still save $$ by reducing my standard of living (which I am sort of doing at the moment), but it's getting to the point that I might as well move back home and reduce my standard of living there too (once a job becomes available. Therein lies the kicker!).
No, I get the Almarai ones, although I do get a bit bored of the strawb-cherry-apricot choice. Cheese-wise (and otherwise), there's indeed plenty that "does the job", but you know what? Part of me feels that I haven't come out here to "make do" with stuff that just "does the job".
I've never been a brand-freak and don't hold much store with them, but I do enjoy my food and so would prefer not to have to cut back on choice or quality. "Prefer" being the operative word.
I think Dubai is in serious trouble too... aside from investors losing however much, or the property bubble exploding, it'll be the normal people on the street who'll decide the fate of this place. Rents are coming down, but there's no such trend in the cost of living. When the people who still have jobs find that they can no longer afford to buy the goods that they consider basic (which include the little "luxuries" that they get in their home countries), it'll be the last nail in the coffin.
Yeah, sure, we can all live off local veg, rice and water... there's a heck of a lot that we can all cut back on, but hello?! Where did the "better quality of life" suddenly go?
I've never been a brand-freak and don't hold much store with them, but I do enjoy my food and so would prefer not to have to cut back on choice or quality. "Prefer" being the operative word.
I think Dubai is in serious trouble too... aside from investors losing however much, or the property bubble exploding, it'll be the normal people on the street who'll decide the fate of this place. Rents are coming down, but there's no such trend in the cost of living. When the people who still have jobs find that they can no longer afford to buy the goods that they consider basic (which include the little "luxuries" that they get in their home countries), it'll be the last nail in the coffin.
Yeah, sure, we can all live off local veg, rice and water... there's a heck of a lot that we can all cut back on, but hello?! Where did the "better quality of life" suddenly go?
Mar 11th 2009, 6:35 pm
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Re: Thoughts on Dubai
Sorry, I did not expected you to take it personally. I am sorry. BTW, I think calling someone an idiot as you did should not be permited, even online.
(Of course, except if you are Admon who has license to insult everyone and to even open personal threads to insult people).
Also, Springs 2 bedroom: 140K May 2008, 180K Sept 2008, 200K November 2008... now as low as 100K. Can give you similar example for properties in the Palm, Marina, Discovery Gardens, etc.
Again, I apologize as I was rude.
(Of course, except if you are Admon who has license to insult everyone and to even open personal threads to insult people).
Also, Springs 2 bedroom: 140K May 2008, 180K Sept 2008, 200K November 2008... now as low as 100K. Can give you similar example for properties in the Palm, Marina, Discovery Gardens, etc.
Again, I apologize as I was rude.
My take on rents was based on my own searches over the past 6 months....although it's possible I'm equating rents to sterling and that's why they seem to be high to me?
Mar 11th 2009, 6:42 pm
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Re: Thoughts on Dubai
Good post and some intelligent points well made...but not a view and and a conclusion that I share. Dubai is in trouble, but less so than alternative places such as Singapore, London (Iceland on Thames?) or even Shanghai. And unlike the UK, Singapore rtc, UAE as a whole is still okay-ish, which is what matters in the long run.
Yes many investors have lost money, many good people have lost jobs and we are affected in so many ways...but that's true everywhere.
There are no pots of gold here, nor are the streets paved with the shiny stuff.....unfortunately, many people came here with that misapprehension and those are the ones shouting the loudest as their delusions have been found out.
Yes many investors have lost money, many good people have lost jobs and we are affected in so many ways...but that's true everywhere.
There are no pots of gold here, nor are the streets paved with the shiny stuff.....unfortunately, many people came here with that misapprehension and those are the ones shouting the loudest as their delusions have been found out.
Mar 11th 2009, 11:27 pm
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Re: Thoughts on Dubai
Stay in the UK - right now its utopia by comparison.
.... Klaus, still unsure, meow, jammy 
. They are the types that sold them selves short (if possible) and ruined the hardship packages dubai was reknowned for.
There are certainly some sensible people in Dubai on hardship packages that will do EXTREMELY well out of it no doubt. Im sure they were the ones that were there at the very start of the boom.
In the right circumstances (not my current family and financial ones) I would do the same.
But why move to a place that exists on credit during a credit crunch!
The missaprehended would like nothing more than to suck people into the myth the marketers sold them - which shows how thick they are as it just ruins competiton for the dwindling roles and drops salaries more!
Unfortunately there are people like me that enjoy providing balance.
Next stop capitulation.
Im sure beyond that the 2 bob poms on Uk packages will have been weeded out and dubai salaries will go back to decent hardship ones with housing, 6-12 month termination periods, proper healthcare etc etc.
Once they are gone and the packages are sorted out Ill reconsider a 1.2m dh position.
. They are the types that sold them selves short (if possible) and ruined the hardship packages dubai was reknowned for.There are certainly some sensible people in Dubai on hardship packages that will do EXTREMELY well out of it no doubt. Im sure they were the ones that were there at the very start of the boom.
In the right circumstances (not my current family and financial ones) I would do the same.
But why move to a place that exists on credit during a credit crunch!
The missaprehended would like nothing more than to suck people into the myth the marketers sold them - which shows how thick they are as it just ruins competiton for the dwindling roles and drops salaries more!
Unfortunately there are people like me that enjoy providing balance.
Next stop capitulation.
Im sure beyond that the 2 bob poms on Uk packages will have been weeded out and dubai salaries will go back to decent hardship ones with housing, 6-12 month termination periods, proper healthcare etc etc.
Once they are gone and the packages are sorted out Ill reconsider a 1.2m dh position.
Mar 12th 2009, 5:16 am
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Re: Thoughts on Dubai
Stay in the UK - right now its utopia by comparison.
.... Klaus, still unsure, meow, jammy. They are the types that sold them selves short (if possible) and ruined the hardship packages dubai was reknowned for.
There are certainly some sensible people in Dubai on hardship packages that will do EXTREMELY well out of it no doubt. Im sure they were the ones that were there at the very start of the boom.
In the right circumstances (not my current family and financial ones) I would do the same.
But why move to a place that exists on credit during a credit crunch!
The missaprehended would like nothing more than to suck people into the myth the marketers sold them - which shows how thick they are as it just ruins competiton for the dwindling roles and drops salaries more!
Unfortunately there are people like me that enjoy providing balance.
Next stop capitulation.
Im sure beyond that the 2 bob poms on Uk packages will have been weeded out and dubai salaries will go back to decent hardship ones with housing, 6-12 month termination periods, proper healthcare etc etc.
Once they are gone and the packages are sorted out Ill reconsider a 1.2m dh position.
.... Klaus, still unsure, meow, jammy
. They are the types that sold them selves short (if possible) and ruined the hardship packages dubai was reknowned for.There are certainly some sensible people in Dubai on hardship packages that will do EXTREMELY well out of it no doubt. Im sure they were the ones that were there at the very start of the boom.
In the right circumstances (not my current family and financial ones) I would do the same.
But why move to a place that exists on credit during a credit crunch!
The missaprehended would like nothing more than to suck people into the myth the marketers sold them - which shows how thick they are as it just ruins competiton for the dwindling roles and drops salaries more!
Unfortunately there are people like me that enjoy providing balance.
Next stop capitulation.
Im sure beyond that the 2 bob poms on Uk packages will have been weeded out and dubai salaries will go back to decent hardship ones with housing, 6-12 month termination periods, proper healthcare etc etc.
Once they are gone and the packages are sorted out Ill reconsider a 1.2m dh position.
Mar 12th 2009, 5:22 am
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Re: Thoughts on Dubai
Yes I agree BC - all the supermarket prices being quoted here seem to be for 'imported' (ie Western) goods at Waitrose & Spinneys. Try local (ie regional and Indian) produce at Carrefour / LuLu / your local grocery store, and the prices are much cheaper, and before the Sterling exchange rate crash, were definitely better value than the UK. Now, probably at par with the average UK prices (Tesco / Sainsbury etc).
Mar 12th 2009, 5:51 am
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Re: Thoughts on Dubai
Stay in the UK - right now its utopia by comparison.
.... Klaus, still unsure, meow, jammy. They are the types that sold them selves short (if possible) and ruined the hardship packages dubai was reknowned for.
There are certainly some sensible people in Dubai on hardship packages that will do EXTREMELY well out of it no doubt. Im sure they were the ones that were there at the very start of the boom.
In the right circumstances (not my current family and financial ones) I would do the same.
But why move to a place that exists on credit during a credit crunch!
The missaprehended would like nothing more than to suck people into the myth the marketers sold them - which shows how thick they are as it just ruins competiton for the dwindling roles and drops salaries more!
Unfortunately there are people like me that enjoy providing balance.
Next stop capitulation.
Im sure beyond that the 2 bob poms on Uk packages will have been weeded out and dubai salaries will go back to decent hardship ones with housing, 6-12 month termination periods, proper healthcare etc etc.
Once they are gone and the packages are sorted out Ill reconsider a 1.2m dh position.
.... Klaus, still unsure, meow, jammy
. They are the types that sold them selves short (if possible) and ruined the hardship packages dubai was reknowned for.There are certainly some sensible people in Dubai on hardship packages that will do EXTREMELY well out of it no doubt. Im sure they were the ones that were there at the very start of the boom.
In the right circumstances (not my current family and financial ones) I would do the same.
But why move to a place that exists on credit during a credit crunch!
The missaprehended would like nothing more than to suck people into the myth the marketers sold them - which shows how thick they are as it just ruins competiton for the dwindling roles and drops salaries more!
Unfortunately there are people like me that enjoy providing balance.
Next stop capitulation.
Im sure beyond that the 2 bob poms on Uk packages will have been weeded out and dubai salaries will go back to decent hardship ones with housing, 6-12 month termination periods, proper healthcare etc etc.
Once they are gone and the packages are sorted out Ill reconsider a 1.2m dh position.
I really hope you never return as your type is not welcome anywhere.
As as for you being paid AED 1.2M
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Mar 12th 2009, 6:52 am
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Re: Thoughts on Dubai
You sad, nasty little man. You know nothing of my personal situation but I assure you I have never sold myself short. I am doing very well thank you and my eyes are wide open. You are just bitter as you could not cut it here.
I really hope you never return as your type is not welcome anywhere.
As as for you being paid AED 1.2M
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I really hope you never return as your type is not welcome anywhere.
As as for you being paid AED 1.2M
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seriously, mantronic, seek professional help. you were in the ME what, 6 months ago, and you're still chucking trantrums about it and insulting people like some old drunk??? (if it was longer, god help you, go get some prozac and move on)
Mar 12th 2009, 7:01 am
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Re: Thoughts on Dubai
Stay in the UK - right now its utopia by comparison.
.... Klaus, still unsure, meow, jammy. They are the types that sold them selves short (if possible) and ruined the hardship packages dubai was reknowned for.
There are certainly some sensible people in Dubai on hardship packages that will do EXTREMELY well out of it no doubt. Im sure they were the ones that were there at the very start of the boom.
In the right circumstances (not my current family and financial ones) I would do the same.
But why move to a place that exists on credit during a credit crunch!
The missaprehended would like nothing more than to suck people into the myth the marketers sold them - which shows how thick they are as it just ruins competiton for the dwindling roles and drops salaries more!
Unfortunately there are people like me that enjoy providing balance.
Next stop capitulation.
Im sure beyond that the 2 bob poms on Uk packages will have been weeded out and dubai salaries will go back to decent hardship ones with housing, 6-12 month termination periods, proper healthcare etc etc.
Once they are gone and the packages are sorted out Ill reconsider a 1.2m dh position.
.... Klaus, still unsure, meow, jammy
. They are the types that sold them selves short (if possible) and ruined the hardship packages dubai was reknowned for.There are certainly some sensible people in Dubai on hardship packages that will do EXTREMELY well out of it no doubt. Im sure they were the ones that were there at the very start of the boom.
In the right circumstances (not my current family and financial ones) I would do the same.
But why move to a place that exists on credit during a credit crunch!
The missaprehended would like nothing more than to suck people into the myth the marketers sold them - which shows how thick they are as it just ruins competiton for the dwindling roles and drops salaries more!
Unfortunately there are people like me that enjoy providing balance.
Next stop capitulation.
Im sure beyond that the 2 bob poms on Uk packages will have been weeded out and dubai salaries will go back to decent hardship ones with housing, 6-12 month termination periods, proper healthcare etc etc.
Once they are gone and the packages are sorted out Ill reconsider a 1.2m dh position.
The only time I sold myself short was when I got married for the first time... and that was not Sheik Mo's fault. FYI: when i moved to Dubai I got a 300% increase in my salary and I was already well paid.
How expensive are analyst in Aussieland that you need to come here to clean your sh*t?
Mar 12th 2009, 7:09 am
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Re: Thoughts on Dubai
wow mantronic, you have actually picked the complete wrong people to chose as examples of the point you are striving to bore us to death with.
I agree in a lot of what you are saying, the newbies who have come have screwed things up by accepting shit conditions and packages that have now become the norm for a lot of industries, hell though thats life.
If you cant get a good package here, leave end of. You never even arrived so i am unsure why you harbour such a grudge.
I agree in a lot of what you are saying, the newbies who have come have screwed things up by accepting shit conditions and packages that have now become the norm for a lot of industries, hell though thats life.
If you cant get a good package here, leave end of. You never even arrived so i am unsure why you harbour such a grudge.
Mar 12th 2009, 7:32 am
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Re: Thoughts on Dubai
Stay in the UK - right now its utopia by comparison.
.... Klaus, still unsure, meow, jammy. They are the types that sold them selves short (if possible) and ruined the hardship packages dubai was reknowned for.
There are certainly some sensible people in Dubai on hardship packages that will do EXTREMELY well out of it no doubt. Im sure they were the ones that were there at the very start of the boom.
In the right circumstances (not my current family and financial ones) I would do the same.
But why move to a place that exists on credit during a credit crunch!
The missaprehended would like nothing more than to suck people into the myth the marketers sold them - which shows how thick they are as it just ruins competiton for the dwindling roles and drops salaries more!
Unfortunately there are people like me that enjoy providing balance.
Next stop capitulation.
Im sure beyond that the 2 bob poms on Uk packages will have been weeded out and dubai salaries will go back to decent hardship ones with housing, 6-12 month termination periods, proper healthcare etc etc.
Once they are gone and the packages are sorted out Ill reconsider a 1.2m dh position.
.... Klaus, still unsure, meow, jammy
. They are the types that sold them selves short (if possible) and ruined the hardship packages dubai was reknowned for.There are certainly some sensible people in Dubai on hardship packages that will do EXTREMELY well out of it no doubt. Im sure they were the ones that were there at the very start of the boom.
In the right circumstances (not my current family and financial ones) I would do the same.
But why move to a place that exists on credit during a credit crunch!
The missaprehended would like nothing more than to suck people into the myth the marketers sold them - which shows how thick they are as it just ruins competiton for the dwindling roles and drops salaries more!
Unfortunately there are people like me that enjoy providing balance.
Next stop capitulation.
Im sure beyond that the 2 bob poms on Uk packages will have been weeded out and dubai salaries will go back to decent hardship ones with housing, 6-12 month termination periods, proper healthcare etc etc.
Once they are gone and the packages are sorted out Ill reconsider a 1.2m dh position.
Trying to score points off other peoples misfortune is just trash talk and i think really sums you up...
I know you didnt get that bar job in Dubai, tough luck, get over it. If you couldnt get a job here in the boomtime, you must really have sucked at what you do...
Mar 12th 2009, 9:41 am
#43
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Re: Thoughts on Dubai
Hmm hit a raw nerve ha ha.
If its so untrue then why the emotional replies
You have to wonder really.
If its so untrue then why the emotional replies
You have to wonder really.
Mar 12th 2009, 11:06 am
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Re: Thoughts on Dubai
I'm starting to wonder whether you are just some weirdo fantasist who is actually sat in a 1 bed flat, with the bra section of a home shopping catalogue for company. :embaressed_smile:
Mar 12th 2009, 12:23 pm
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Re: Thoughts on Dubai
What I wonder is why you come back here over and over just to make the same point? Very strange for somebody so keen to be viewed as such a bigshot - you seem to have a lot of cheap time on your hands.
I'm starting to wonder whether you are just some weirdo fantasist who is actually sat in a 1 bed flat, with the bra section of a home shopping catalogue for company. :embaressed_smile:
I'm starting to wonder whether you are just some weirdo fantasist who is actually sat in a 1 bed flat, with the bra section of a home shopping catalogue for company. :embaressed_smile: