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Old Apr 9th 2020, 10:23 am
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Both my kids were born in Dubai. The healthcare facilities are good, no problems with that at all.

But don't stay beyond them turning three. Honestly, it's a weird place, and they'll grow up in a bubble being fed bu11shit. Just turn on the TV when you arrive, and try to think how balanced and open minded you might be if you grew up thinking their 'news' was really the real news. You could easily think the ruler was a benevolent, loving genius instead of a control freak nutcase who kidnaps errant daughters and wives.

Make enough money so you can take your kids to somewhere free, and with safer roads. And where when you take them to the park on saturday morning, you find there are actually parents there, instead of a group of disinterested filipino nannies completely ignoring the kids they are paid a dollar a day to look after, while mum and dad have more important business to attend to at the golf course and hair salon.
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Originally Posted by Gavtek
Grandchildren could be stateless.

If a baby born in Dubai to British parents, gets a British passport, then marries a non-Brit (or even another UK passport holding ex-pat that wasn't born in UK) and has a baby outside the UK, that baby does not automatically get UK citizenship. You'd hope that common sense would prevail but this is Brexit Britain now.
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They sound quite reasonable, so it's worth just asking them. Maybe they'll share their policy etc and you'll be able to check?

Some will suggest you need longer than 2 weeks hotel provided when you arrive. Depends on visa / Emirates ID situation and speed of processing.

Is 600k (50k a month - we talk in months here because the numbers are too big for most) worth it? Dunno. What is your life like in the UK? Do you earn well there? What sort of job / sector is it?

Thanks Gavtek and Scamp They have been rather transparent with the situation, maybe too transparent with how they are handling the COVID-19 situation in the business.

Head of Digital in the UK Insurance sector, 120k GBP per annum - Which is fine lifestyle-wise. I'd be moving to Digital Director in E-commerce in Dubai, however, I keep "hearing" 2nd hand thar everything is so much more expensive in Dubai and 50-60 of income goes on rent! Add a baby into the mix and things get ridiculous - so cam on here for a more realistic view from people who are actually living it
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Both my kids were born in Dubai. The healthcare facilities are good, no problems with that at all.

But don't stay beyond them turning three. Honestly, it's a weird place, and they'll grow up in a bubble being fed bu11shit. Just turn on the TV when you arrive, and try to think how balanced and open minded you might be if you grew up thinking their 'news' was really the real news. You could easily think the ruler was a benevolent, loving genius instead of a control freak nutcase who kidnaps errant daughters and wives.

Make enough money so you can take your kids to somewhere free, and with safer roads. And where when you take them to the park on saturday morning, you find there are actually parents there, instead of a group of disinterested filipino nannies completely ignoring the kids they are paid a dollar a day to look after, while mum and dad have more important business to attend to at the golf course and hair salon.
Thanks captainflack really interesting point about child care, is a nanny essential? I am hoping not. Not staying beyond 3, I am assuming you do not recommend the level of schooling either?
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Originally Posted by Gavtek
Grandchildren could be stateless.

If a baby born in Dubai to British parents, gets a British passport, then marries a non-Brit (or even another UK passport holding ex-pat that wasn't born in UK) and has a baby outside the UK, that baby does not automatically get UK citizenship. You'd hope that common sense would prevail but this is Brexit Britain now.
That's been the case for ages. No big deal - my daughter cannot pass on British citizenship unless (a) she gives birth in the UK, or (b) has a real British partner (hence my comment above about real British - she is obviously a qualified Brit). A problem to be dealt with in around 20-35 year's time. No doubt it'll all be done in test tubes and pigs wombs by then anyway.
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Thanks Gavtek and Scamp They have been rather transparent with the situation, maybe too transparent with how they are handling the COVID-19 situation in the business.

Head of Digital in the UK Insurance sector, 120k GBP per annum - Which is fine lifestyle-wise. I'd be moving to Digital Director in E-commerce in Dubai, however, I keep "hearing" 2nd hand thar everything is so much more expensive in Dubai and 50-60 of income goes on rent! Add a baby into the mix and things get ridiculous - so cam on here for a more realistic view from people who are actually living it
Acceptable digs in the springs (a quick run down to where their offices are) is about 150k a year. If the person you will ultimately be reporting to is called Ronnie, then you're in very decent hands. If it's the other one, run a mile.

You'll be fine on 600k and my guess is that you could save around 250k a year. If that saving level works for you vs. today then go for it.

You can keep the kids very comfortably in Dubai until the age of 10 before you start to **** them up. Our housemaid/nanny is far from disinterested. She sets the rules and gives us instructions on her day off, along with phone calls to see if we are doing it right. She called us once to tell us that our baby was crying on the camera and we needed to go sort it. Choose your nanny wisely and treat them well, you reap what you sow.



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Originally Posted by Millhouse
Choose your nanny wisely and treat them well, you reap what you sow.
Translation: "Pick a fit one"
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Translation: "Pick a fit one"
Ours is 52 and has had five kids. She was nice in her day for sure, but they don't age well when they have spent the past 30 years chasing after countless kids and scrubbing floors.


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Ours is 52 and has had five kids. She was nice in her day for sure, but they don't age well when they have spent the past 30 years chasing after countless kids and scrubbing floors.
Once they're over 35 they morph into James Brown
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Some good advice on here.

50k is a very decent salary for 3 in Dubai. How it compares to your UK salary, is only something you can answer.

Millhouse's points about lack of job security are very important. My organisation, as well, also sent people back, sometimes within weeks. Plenty of people also get "hired" but never end up arriving. My long-time advice to new hires always has been: do not make irreversible moves in your home country, like resigning your job etc - until the company actually sends you a plane ticket. I think that is triply important in a time like this.

If your wife gives birth in the UAE, the locals and Arab Expats will act like it is the most amazing thing ever. On the birth, you will be expected to buy sweets/pastries for everyone in your office. Do so and give it to the tea boys to cart around to everyone.
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Why would the baby be stateless? Our baby got a British passport in a month and has never been to the UK... just need a real British parent.
I said "grandchildren".

If the child doesn't return to the UK and lives there for at least three years before they have children of their own, they will be unable to pass on British citizenship to their children. So if the child grows up and lives in a country that doesn't grant citizenship based on location of birth, and they were unable (barring a concession by the British government) to pass on British citizenship, and if their spouse was in the same situation, their child would be stateless. After 50 years of the Middle East oil producing countries relying heavily on imported workers, who live there long term, marry, and have families who have also grown up there, stateless in the Middle East is an increasing problem.
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Originally Posted by Gavtek
Grandchildren could be stateless.

If a baby born in Dubai to British parents, gets a British passport, then marries a non-Brit (or even another UK passport holding ex-pat that wasn't born in UK) and has a baby outside the UK, that baby does not automatically get UK citizenship. You'd hope that common sense would prevail but this is Brexit Britain now.
Which is exactly the position both my kids are in. They're not having kids yet, but realistically it's possible within the next ten.

Different countries, different rules. UK passes down one generation, Ireland two.

Interestingly enough , their other nationality Thai doesn't differentiate between citizenship by birth or descent, so they could have kids with non Thais who would then be Thai at 25%, and this could continue down the line with the next generation at 12.5% tha , and so on .

Guess it depends on how weak your football team is .
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That's been the case for ages. No big deal - my daughter cannot pass on British citizenship unless (a) she gives birth in the UK, or (b) has a real British partner .....
or (c) lives in the UK for three years before having children (born outside the UK), which could be easily, albeit expensively, achieved by going to a British university.
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Which is exactly the position both my kids are in. They're not having kids yet, but realistically it's possible within the next ten.

Different countries, different rules. UK passes down one generation, Ireland two.

Interestingly enough , their other nationality Thai doesn't differentiate between citizenship by birth or descent, so they could have kids with non Thais who would then be Thai at 25%, and this could continue down the line with the next generation at 12.5% tha , and so on .

Guess it depends on how weak your football team is .
So basically not stateless then... more likely than not, they will pick up the other nationality. The issue really only comes if it is a qualified-Brit with a qualified-Brit.
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or (c) lives in the UK for three years before having children (born outside the UK), which could be easily, albeit expensively, achieved by going to a British university.
I'd wager almost all British kids with parents in the Gulf end up going to university in the UK.

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Anyone else got a boost of hope that we're answering questions from people moving here?
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