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Old Oct 10th 2012, 4:00 pm
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Default Make or break decision time - Job Offer in hand!

Hi everyone,

Been reading this forum a lot recently and think the advice/comments are great.
I have just been offered a job to move out to Dubai. Working as a Coordinator for a Financial Adviser. We are in the process of the negotiating a package and would be keen to get some tips when going through my negotiation.

So far on the table I have been offered:
- Commission only role with the potential to earn substantial amounts in my first year
- Half rent paid for
- Flight to Dubai paid for
- Potential to bring £5k worth of savings with me.

From reading various different posts I feel that I might be getting my pants pulled down.

Any replies would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks for your time guys.
Chris
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Old Oct 10th 2012, 4:28 pm
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what could possibly go wrong ?
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Old Oct 10th 2012, 4:39 pm
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Originally Posted by chrislfc
Hi everyone,

Been reading this forum a lot recently and think the advice/comments are great.
I have just been offered a job to move out to Dubai. Working as a Coordinator for a Financial Adviser. We are in the process of the negotiating a package and would be keen to get some tips when going through my negotiation.

So far on the table I have been offered:
- Commission only role with the potential to earn substantial amounts in my first year
- Half rent paid for
- Flight to Dubai paid for
- Potential to bring £5k worth of savings with me.

From reading various different posts I feel that I might be getting my pants pulled down.

Any replies would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks for your time guys.
Chris
Avoid. It's one of those sales roles we've been warning you about. Basically involves being a total ****, harrassing people on their phones, buying customer lists from unscrupulous retailers etc, all while doing sweet FA to do with the actual advising.

Also, if I remember right, they can't get a visa for a commission only role so you'd be here illegally, need to do a visa run every 30 days, couldn't open up a bank account etc.
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Originally Posted by chrislfc
Hi everyone,

Been reading this forum a lot recently and think the advice/comments are great.
I have just been offered a job to move out to Dubai. Working as a Coordinator for a Financial Adviser. We are in the process of the negotiating a package and would be keen to get some tips when going through my negotiation.

So far on the table I have been offered:
- Commission only role with the potential to earn substantial amounts in my first year
- Half rent paid for
- Flight to Dubai paid for
- Potential to bring £5k worth of savings with me.

From reading various different posts I feel that I might be getting my pants pulled down.

Any replies would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks for your time guys.
Chris
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Old Oct 11th 2012, 3:25 am
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Default Re: Make or break decision time - Job Offer in hand!

Originally Posted by chrislfc
Hi everyone,

Been reading this forum a lot recently and think the advice/comments are great.
I have just been offered a job to move out to Dubai. Working as a Coordinator for a Financial Adviser. We are in the process of the negotiating a package and would be keen to get some tips when going through my negotiation.

So far on the table I have been offered:
- Commission only role with the potential to earn substantial amounts in my first year
- Half rent paid for
- Flight to Dubai paid for
- Potential to bring £5k worth of savings with me.

From reading various different posts I feel that I might be getting my pants pulled down.

Any replies would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks for your time guys.
Chris
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Old Oct 11th 2012, 3:28 am
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Sounds like a good deal to me.

When you call me and I tell you: "yes, I have heard of you and I believe that you are a bunch of cheating, lying bastards" take it in good step like the last guy did and say "yeh, I get that a lot". It made me smile - I find it rude when you just hang up.
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Default Re: Make or break decision time - Job Offer in hand!

Originally Posted by chrislfc
Hi everyone,

Been reading this forum a lot recently and think the advice/comments are great.
I have just been offered a job to move out to Dubai. Working as a Coordinator for a Financial Adviser. We are in the process of the negotiating a package and would be keen to get some tips when going through my negotiation.

So far on the table I have been offered:
- Commission only role with the potential to earn substantial amounts in my first year
- Half rent paid for
- Flight to Dubai paid for
- Potential to bring £5k worth of savings with me.

From reading various different posts I feel that I might be getting my pants pulled down.

Any replies would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks for your time guys.
Chris
Chris,

I've been thinking long and hard about this. A lot of people on this forum will jump to a knee jerk reaction and just shout no.

I had a dream last night that I got offered no basic, some rent, a flight over here and pots of bonus for doing somebody elses donkey work. I was excited, I mean, it's Dubai. It's paved with mother****ing gold.

Then reality rolled in and I realised. I can't, it's stupid, I mean; no salary? Who works for free nowadays? I don't get paid van loads of wedge but I get a freakin salary.

SO. After waking up this morning and dreaming about your situation I paused and felt a bit sorry for you. You HAVE got your pants down, they are taking the piss and whatever figure you've been quoted for earning in Y1 is almost certainly utter bollocks.

Don't do it and certainly don't do it with 5k of your own hard earned (I assume) savings.
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Default Re: Make or break decision time - Job Offer in hand!

Originally Posted by chrislfc
Hi everyone,

Been reading this forum a lot recently and think the advice/comments are great.
I have just been offered a job to move out to Dubai. Working as a Coordinator for a Financial Adviser. We are in the process of the negotiating a package and would be keen to get some tips when going through my negotiation.

So far on the table I have been offered:
- Commission only role with the potential to earn substantial amounts in my first year
- Half rent paid for
- Flight to Dubai paid for
- Potential to bring £5k worth of savings with me.

From reading various different posts I feel that I might be getting my pants pulled down.

Any replies would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks for your time guys.
Chris
Good advise from others - short answer is don't. Just not worth it. Has to be a decent salary and commission over and above that.
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Old Oct 11th 2012, 9:20 am
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Default Re: Make or break decision time - Job Offer in hand!

Many thanks for the replies above, gave my head a serious wabble last night.

After expressing my concerns the company has come back with a revised offer AED 9,000 per month plus commission on top, the other benefits are still on the table.

Would it be safe to say that the coordinator role has a similar perception to Recruitment Consultants in the UK?
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Default Re: Make or break decision time - Job Offer in hand!

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similar perception to Recruitment Consultants in the UK?
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Originally Posted by chrislfc
Many thanks for the replies above, gave my head a serious wabble last night.

After expressing my concerns the company has come back with a revised offer AED 9,000 per month plus commission on top, the other benefits are still on the table.

Would it be safe to say that the coordinator role has a similar perception to Recruitment Consultants in the UK?
Lower. Difficult to believe, I know...
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After expressing my concerns the company has come back with a revised offer AED 9,000 per month plus commission on top, the other benefits are still on the table.
While not trying to bring another "financial adviser" to the ME, why not insist that the company pay your accommodation for the first month. Or if they are going to pay half then ask for them to pay the first 6 months and you will pay the second 6. At least you won't have poured your money down the drain on rent if it doesn't work out.
After that set up a fake profile on linkedin then search all the ex-pats in the middle east for contact details, then plague them with calls every week.
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Would it be safe to say that the coordinator role has a similar perception to Recruitment Consultants in the UK?
No. I'd say it's sub-cockroach - Think a recruitment consultant that focuses on recruiting estate agents.
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No. I'd say it's sub-cockroach - Think a recruitment consultant that focuses on recruiting estate agents.
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Default Re: Make or break decision time - Job Offer in hand!

Originally Posted by chrislfc
Many thanks for the replies above, gave my head a serious wabble last night.

After expressing my concerns the company has come back with a revised offer AED 9,000 per month plus commission on top, the other benefits are still on the table.

Would it be safe to say that the coordinator role has a similar perception to Recruitment Consultants in the UK?
9,000
50% rent (how much is this?)
Commish.
Flight out here (that's bare minimum but it does mean they give you one home...)

That's a do-able deal. Just bear in mind you'll be working as someone's bitch in a job where nobody you ring will want to talk to you.

BUT

If you get out here and start applying for jobs elsewhere, you could escape and be laughing.
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