Iran 2012
#31
Re: Iran 2012
I personally would be very happy if the US attacked Iran. It is an evil regime and needs to be destroyed. It is bad for the Gulf and the for the World. The Gulf Arabs would be better off if Iran is fixed as was Iraq.
However the US would find that Iran is a more formidable enemy to what they are used too. The US must gather support from the Arab World before attacking Iran and the Arabs will not offer that openly.
So Iran, will prefer to maintain some friendly relations with the Gulf Countries and in doing so these countries should be safe. If the Arabs offer their full support for USA, then they should brace for some attacks from Iran.
In the end of course, Iran will be defeated and that would generate more stability in the region.
Like I said, the Iran regime must be destroyed, one way or the other.
However the US would find that Iran is a more formidable enemy to what they are used too. The US must gather support from the Arab World before attacking Iran and the Arabs will not offer that openly.
So Iran, will prefer to maintain some friendly relations with the Gulf Countries and in doing so these countries should be safe. If the Arabs offer their full support for USA, then they should brace for some attacks from Iran.
In the end of course, Iran will be defeated and that would generate more stability in the region.
Like I said, the Iran regime must be destroyed, one way or the other.
In what way is Iran evil? In what way is it any more evil than countless other countries around the world.
What impact does Iran have on the citizens of the USA and UK, none.
There is no reason to attack Iran.
#32
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I remember the "peaceful" Germans during the first Gulf War. Whilst the German based UK troops were doing their jobs in The Gulf as sanctioned by our elected Government - the friendly German public were abusing and attacking the wives and children that were left behind. Physical attacks on cars, houses, wives and children were common place.
In fact I remember being on a school trip to Koln when we passed an anti-war protest in the main platz. One of my mates was handed a leaflet and when he asked what is was in English he was unceremoniously punched in the face by one of your peace protesters.
As to the oil thing, the German economy relies on oil heavily as a result of your car manufacturing. You don't have any yourself which is one of the reasons why you kicked off WWII to try and get some of your own.
The reasons why the Germans are generally so anti-war these days is because the Americans did such a good job deprogramming you as a nation away from your militaristic tendencies - as was also done in Japan. You have a lot to be grateful for towards the US, best you remember that.
Although not sure how good a job they did regarding your need to rule Europe - your Mittel Europa tendencies seem to be coming through at the moment under Merkel.
In fact I remember being on a school trip to Koln when we passed an anti-war protest in the main platz. One of my mates was handed a leaflet and when he asked what is was in English he was unceremoniously punched in the face by one of your peace protesters.
As to the oil thing, the German economy relies on oil heavily as a result of your car manufacturing. You don't have any yourself which is one of the reasons why you kicked off WWII to try and get some of your own.
The reasons why the Germans are generally so anti-war these days is because the Americans did such a good job deprogramming you as a nation away from your militaristic tendencies - as was also done in Japan. You have a lot to be grateful for towards the US, best you remember that.
Although not sure how good a job they did regarding your need to rule Europe - your Mittel Europa tendencies seem to be coming through at the moment under Merkel.
Nowadays the germans are peaceful for a matter of fact! and yes we pay for to be protected under the american umbrella.
I strongly believe that the german and french way is the right one. Build a strong EU concentrate on the economy thing think about alternatives to oil. Think green good thing!! Where are the brits?? oh allright keep the pound and stawy away from europe ;-( Why its like that? exactly your guys still think to much about the past Bad french german nazis, very limited point of view!!
The french people have much more reassons to hate the germans because of the ww2 BUT new generations which understand the need of strong europe.
Why the german economy have the lowest unemployment rate? where are the brits and their economy? Guys please wake up forget the past where everything will be solved with the giob hammer, even the americans will realize this one day!
Its so stupid to generalize from personal experience to adopt for a whole population of a country!
Lets see whats the right way you blind aggresive way of politic with wars everywhere in the world, or the silence peaceful economy related way.
#33
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Re: Iran 2012
These were not radical idiots, this was a regular occurrence from the new peace loving generation. Some of the worst offenders were the 14 to 18 yr old school children. Apparently they were allowed take the day of school and then come and hurl abuse at wives and kids as they entered my local air base.
Of course the UK wants to be on the fringes of Europe, look at the mess it is in because of the Euro members. The Euro is going to implode and you'll be surprised at its impact on Germany - come back and we'll speak about unemployment rates in a year.
Btw I thought you said you weren't going to contribute anymore
Also your world viewpoint seems to be very similar to a Mr Neville Chamberlain - and we all know what happened there
Of course the UK wants to be on the fringes of Europe, look at the mess it is in because of the Euro members. The Euro is going to implode and you'll be surprised at its impact on Germany - come back and we'll speak about unemployment rates in a year.
Btw I thought you said you weren't going to contribute anymore
Also your world viewpoint seems to be very similar to a Mr Neville Chamberlain - and we all know what happened there
Last edited by benzonar; Jan 4th 2012 at 4:20 am.
#34
Re: Iran 2012
These were not radical idiots, this was a regular occurrence from the new peace loving generation. Some of the worst offenders were the 14 to 18 yr old school children. Apparently they were allowed take the day of school and then come and hurl abuse at wives and kids as they entered my local air base.
Of course the UK wants to be on the fringes of Europe, look at the mess it is in because of the Euro members. The Euro is going to implode and you'll be surprised at its impact on Germany - come back and we'll speak about unemployment rates in a year.
Btw I thought you said you weren't going to contribute anymore
Also your world viewpoint seems to be very similar to a Mr Neville Chamberlain - and we all know what happened there
Of course the UK wants to be on the fringes of Europe, look at the mess it is in because of the Euro members. The Euro is going to implode and you'll be surprised at its impact on Germany - come back and we'll speak about unemployment rates in a year.
Btw I thought you said you weren't going to contribute anymore
Also your world viewpoint seems to be very similar to a Mr Neville Chamberlain - and we all know what happened there
Haha and the Uk is in shit because of europe?? UK is in shit because everything is focused on London only, thats why your government want protect the Pound. If London finance market goes down uk will be in deep shit!
The impact for Germany? what you mean? you think you will sit on your island and watch how Germany and france will explode because of the euro? If this is the unterstanding of UK for a european union then good night! UK should be a full member with all good and minus things and not only try to take the cherry from the cake. If not partcipating 100% back off and be consequent and leave the euro zone.
By the way im also not a fan of this nowadays much to big eu but this is the situation what we have and we as EU must try to make the best out of it.
My personal wish is a strong eu with frankce Germany uk as the leaders followed by the scandinavian/netherland countries.
Then you guys go to war and die as heros for the american oil plus protect us fence sitters and we will pay for your widows. hahaha
#37
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This is true, however, you could debate that the percent of GDP..the US is in fact not as generous as you make her out to be. I am not anti or pro US, but I do wish their team america world police attitude would calm down a little. But I suppose it's a somewhat deeply ingrained cultural element to it too.
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/annua...-gdp-chart.gif
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/annua...-gdp-chart.gif
Better to compare the USA's generosity with the Arab world, especially the oil rich states with as high or higher GDPs, or Iran etc. There the gaps get much bigger.
I think this goes for anyone who has their country invaded. I think Saddam was not defended because he was a dick. But Iran seems different to me. I am unsure what the popular support of the regime is, but if any country decided to invade them, I'm quite certain the people of Iran would resist. They seem like a proud people. And I personally stand against intervention anywhere. It creates superficial powers with little legitimacy. People in power after revolutions tend to garner more support.
Just a thought.
Iran has been engaged diplomatically for several years on this issue by the world, not just the USA - and it has not stopped enriching uranium to a level needed to make nuclear weapons. Eventually the sanctions will have an effect (and hopefully a revolution against the government) but if they manage to do what they did last year and murder hundreds or thousands of their own people and kidnap their families will you still say let's not bother them...let's just watch even though we can do something with a certainty of winning. Even though every Iranian dissident is asking for help in and out of the country?
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#38
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Germany, UK, France all the democratic and respectable nations should cooperate to eradicate the threat from Iran and North Korea.
#40
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Hey Guys, I think you are getting a bit ahead of yourselves here, the issue is Iran and not Germany and UK...A proper regime in Iran will benefit all the Arab World and Europe and USA. Allowing Iran to develop nuclear weapons is a grave mistake. And they will develop nuclear weapons, unless the regime is fixed.
Germany, UK, France all the democratic and respectable nations should cooperate to eradicate the threat from Iran and North Korea.
Germany, UK, France all the democratic and respectable nations should cooperate to eradicate the threat from Iran and North Korea.
Nowadays there are plenty of ways to work such issues out but not with war and not with a world sherif attitude!!!!!
We should not forget that US went to Iraq without the mandat of the NATO!!!!!!!!!
#41
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Hey Guys, I think you are getting a bit ahead of yourselves here, the issue is Iran and not Germany and UK...A proper regime in Iran will benefit all the Arab World and Europe and USA. Allowing Iran to develop nuclear weapons is a grave mistake. And they will develop nuclear weapons, unless the regime is fixed.
Germany, UK, France all the democratic and respectable nations should cooperate to eradicate the threat from Iran and North Korea.
Germany, UK, France all the democratic and respectable nations should cooperate to eradicate the threat from Iran and North Korea.
The Iranian regime has to be dismantled by fair means or foul for their to be a more stable region. I hope the Iranian people will rise up and I also hope the world will help them install a secular and reasonable government based on proper Persian values rather than the values of invaders who took over Persia 1000 years ago.
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#43
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And Iran is a terror regime - a long open secret is their support of Hizbollah and other charming murderous organisations..there's already a reason to go to war with them but the world is still trying to talk to them. They are making threats now over sanctions but who's testing long range missiles in international waters? Who's enriching weapon's grade uranium and plutonium and not abiding by the agreed rules of the world's nuclear agencies? It's not the US, UK or China...it's bloody Iran.
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#44
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When this is point of view what i found in wiki then he sounds like a wise men
Political views
Galloway advocates greater spending on welfare benefits, and some nationalisation of large industries. Galloway is opposed to abortion, although he supports Respect's pro-choice stance. He opposes Scottish independence but supports the right of the people to vote on the matter via a referendum. He also supports the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament. In the 2007 Scottish Parliament election, George Galloway supported Solidarity,[51] despite not supporting all their policies, such as Scottish independence. Galloway has attracted most attention for his comments on foreign policy, taking a special interest in Libya, Pakistan, Iraq, and the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. According to the report "Preventing terrorism, where next for Britain?" from the counter-extremism think tank Quilliam, which receives private and public funding, Galloway is "Islamist backed".[52] Inayat Bunglawala, chair of Muslims4Uk and a former MCB spokesperson, disagreed, saying: "This is just like something straight out of a Stasi manual. The advice from Quilliam is frankly appalling and incredibly self-serving."[53]
Political views
Galloway advocates greater spending on welfare benefits, and some nationalisation of large industries. Galloway is opposed to abortion, although he supports Respect's pro-choice stance. He opposes Scottish independence but supports the right of the people to vote on the matter via a referendum. He also supports the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament. In the 2007 Scottish Parliament election, George Galloway supported Solidarity,[51] despite not supporting all their policies, such as Scottish independence. Galloway has attracted most attention for his comments on foreign policy, taking a special interest in Libya, Pakistan, Iraq, and the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. According to the report "Preventing terrorism, where next for Britain?" from the counter-extremism think tank Quilliam, which receives private and public funding, Galloway is "Islamist backed".[52] Inayat Bunglawala, chair of Muslims4Uk and a former MCB spokesperson, disagreed, saying: "This is just like something straight out of a Stasi manual. The advice from Quilliam is frankly appalling and incredibly self-serving."[53]
#45
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Guuuude sounds like one of the "chip on each shoulder" former East Germans, who's dad had his nose so far up Honecker's arse he wore a permanent brown tidemark. And of course didn't like it when the wall was pulled down and they all had to go out and look for proper jobs.