Hassyan Power Plant
Oct 19th 2016, 9:57 am
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Hassyan Power Plant
Sorry, Hassyan Clean Coal Power Plant. Yeah, right.
Anyone have any info, other than the scant stuff on t'internet?
Anyone have any info, other than the scant stuff on t'internet?
Oct 19th 2016, 1:42 pm
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Oct 20th 2016, 6:43 am
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Re: Hassyan Power Plant
* Public / market sentiment about its being "clean coal"
* Public / market sentiment about the intrusion of coal in an O&G (and soon to be nuclear) region
* Location -- looks to be Jebel Ali, but not directly on the coast
* EPC Contractor: Harbin Electric? Alone?
* Price
* Main components (boiler, STG, BFPs) from where? Surely not China.
* Why did DEWA partner with ACWA?
Just being nosey, and couldn't find this readily on the net.
* Public / market sentiment about the intrusion of coal in an O&G (and soon to be nuclear) region
* Location -- looks to be Jebel Ali, but not directly on the coast
* EPC Contractor: Harbin Electric? Alone?
* Price
* Main components (boiler, STG, BFPs) from where? Surely not China.
* Why did DEWA partner with ACWA?
Just being nosey, and couldn't find this readily on the net.
Oct 20th 2016, 7:58 am
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Re: Hassyan Power Plant
* Public / market sentiment about its being "clean coal"
* Public / market sentiment about the intrusion of coal in an O&G (and soon to be nuclear) region
* Location -- looks to be Jebel Ali, but not directly on the coast
* EPC Contractor: Harbin Electric? Alone?
* Price
* Main components (boiler, STG, BFPs) from where? Surely not China.
* Why did DEWA partner with ACWA?
Just being nosey, and couldn't find this readily on the net.
* Public / market sentiment about the intrusion of coal in an O&G (and soon to be nuclear) region
* Location -- looks to be Jebel Ali, but not directly on the coast
* EPC Contractor: Harbin Electric? Alone?
* Price
* Main components (boiler, STG, BFPs) from where? Surely not China.
* Why did DEWA partner with ACWA?
Just being nosey, and couldn't find this readily on the net.
1. Most people don't know of its existence. Nor can they question it. Who cares will be the attitude.
2. This is a good question and was raised by the banks. The argument is diversification and to shift away from gas imports and therefore dependence on neighbours. Coal most likely from Pakistan who you can bully. Every one needs baseload and the nuclear is for AD
3. Makes sense. Put it near the port for the coal. Doesn't need to really be on the coast like nuclear.
4.dunno
5. EPC price will be private. The tariff is public as it was a transparent bid process. Can't remember the number. Doubt it will be anywhere close to their solar prices though.
6.china - rumours are that acwa are battelling with dewa a bit over the use of chinese equipment.
7.price. It was an auction - technical pass-fail then price.
Oct 20th 2016, 12:25 pm
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Re: Hassyan Power Plant
Ok. I'll try. Some of my info is out of date as I looked at it ages ago
1. Most people don't know of its existence. Nor can they question it. Who cares will be the attitude.
2. This is a good question and was raised by the banks. The argument is diversification and to shift away from gas imports and therefore dependence on neighbours. Coal most likely from Pakistan who you can bully. Every one needs baseload and the nuclear is for AD
3. Makes sense. Put it near the port for the coal. Doesn't need to really be on the coast like nuclear. Will need lots of cooling water, so closer the better -- is there a coal terminal already?
4.dunno
5. EPC price will be private. The tariff is public as it was a transparent bid process. Can't remember the number. Doubt it will be anywhere close to their solar prices though. Yep, the tariff was published -- I didn't examine it, but will be interesting to see the spin put on it. Unless it falls in the Who Cares? dump.
6.china - rumours are that acwa are battelling with dewa a bit over the use of chinese equipment. There's conflicting (maybe) info: on the one hand Acwa's website says Dewa and Acwa Power Harbin Holding Co have a JV (51:49), and elsewhere that the JV (Hassyan Energy Co) has awarded to EPC contract to Harbin Electric & GE. Are Acwa really on both sides of the fence?
7.price. It was an auction - technical pass-fail then price. Not surprising Chinese then.
1. Most people don't know of its existence. Nor can they question it. Who cares will be the attitude.
2. This is a good question and was raised by the banks. The argument is diversification and to shift away from gas imports and therefore dependence on neighbours. Coal most likely from Pakistan who you can bully. Every one needs baseload and the nuclear is for AD
3. Makes sense. Put it near the port for the coal. Doesn't need to really be on the coast like nuclear. Will need lots of cooling water, so closer the better -- is there a coal terminal already?
4.dunno
5. EPC price will be private. The tariff is public as it was a transparent bid process. Can't remember the number. Doubt it will be anywhere close to their solar prices though. Yep, the tariff was published -- I didn't examine it, but will be interesting to see the spin put on it. Unless it falls in the Who Cares? dump.
6.china - rumours are that acwa are battelling with dewa a bit over the use of chinese equipment. There's conflicting (maybe) info: on the one hand Acwa's website says Dewa and Acwa Power Harbin Holding Co have a JV (51:49), and elsewhere that the JV (Hassyan Energy Co) has awarded to EPC contract to Harbin Electric & GE. Are Acwa really on both sides of the fence?
7.price. It was an auction - technical pass-fail then price. Not surprising Chinese then.
Oct 20th 2016, 1:15 pm
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Re: Hassyan Power Plant
ACWA are the developer and operator. They own the plant (normally with the EPC contractor having a stake in it too) and together they financed it. They would always award the EPC contract from the JV to the JV's construction partner. Totally normal structure.
4.501 US cents/kWh for the coal
about 3 cents/kwh for the solar.
You have to pay for baseload.
This compares to 92++ GBP/MwH = 9.2pence/kWh = 7cents/kWh (2012 prices) in the UK for the nuclear. When it comes online it will be more than this as they will get an inflation adjusted tariff.
4.501 US cents/kWh for the coal
about 3 cents/kwh for the solar.
You have to pay for baseload.
This compares to 92++ GBP/MwH = 9.2pence/kWh = 7cents/kWh (2012 prices) in the UK for the nuclear. When it comes online it will be more than this as they will get an inflation adjusted tariff.
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Oct 20th 2016, 1:24 pm
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Re: Hassyan Power Plant
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Oct 20th 2016, 1:28 pm
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Re: Hassyan Power Plant
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4.501 US cents/kWh for the coal
about 3 cents/kwh for the solar.
You have to pay for baseload.
This compares to 92++ GBP/MwH = 9.2pence/kWh = 7cents/kWh (2012 prices) in the UK for the nuclear. When it comes online it will be more than this as they will get an inflation adjusted tariff.
4.501 US cents/kWh for the coal
about 3 cents/kwh for the solar.
You have to pay for baseload.
This compares to 92++ GBP/MwH = 9.2pence/kWh = 7cents/kWh (2012 prices) in the UK for the nuclear. When it comes online it will be more than this as they will get an inflation adjusted tariff.
Oct 20th 2016, 1:40 pm
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Re: Hassyan Power Plant
While it looks corrupt that the JV awards the EPC to it's own partner, it's not.
The tariff of the power sold by the company to the government is the only thing that was promised - and that was the tendered bit and remains fixed no matter what happens.
How the costs are shared between the EPC contractor and the power developer is an internal matter. Likewise EPC overruns (and savings) all sit with the developer.
Hence the chinese equipment battle. The government want reliability and certain specs, the developer who is held to a tariff needs to keep the costs down.
The tariff of the power sold by the company to the government is the only thing that was promised - and that was the tendered bit and remains fixed no matter what happens.
How the costs are shared between the EPC contractor and the power developer is an internal matter. Likewise EPC overruns (and savings) all sit with the developer.
Hence the chinese equipment battle. The government want reliability and certain specs, the developer who is held to a tariff needs to keep the costs down.
Oct 20th 2016, 2:00 pm
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Re: Hassyan Power Plant
Location. It is on the coast, right on the Dubai / Abu Dhabi border where the old border control used to be.
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Oct 22nd 2016, 1:57 pm
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Re: Hassyan Power Plant
While it looks corrupt that the JV awards the EPC to it's own partner, it's not.
The tariff of the power sold by the company to the government is the only thing that was promised - and that was the tendered bit and remains fixed no matter what happens.
How the costs are shared between the EPC contractor and the power developer is an internal matter. Likewise EPC overruns (and savings) all sit with the developer.
Hence the chinese equipment battle. The government want reliability and certain specs, the developer who is held to a tariff needs to keep the costs down.
The tariff of the power sold by the company to the government is the only thing that was promised - and that was the tendered bit and remains fixed no matter what happens.
How the costs are shared between the EPC contractor and the power developer is an internal matter. Likewise EPC overruns (and savings) all sit with the developer.
Hence the chinese equipment battle. The government want reliability and certain specs, the developer who is held to a tariff needs to keep the costs down.
