Is this a good deal on a new car?
Apr 17th 2005, 1:29 pm
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Re: Is this a good deal on a new car?
If you're not going to offroad in it then buy a stylish soft roader like the Murano. Or even the Freelander.
Apr 17th 2005, 1:35 pm
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Re: Is this a good deal on a new car?
[QUOTE=Nabs]
We must be talking about different kinds of rustproofing, then, since the rustproofing I'm thinking of is the type that's applied by spraying a chemical mix into cavities in the underside of the car. Of course, since most places don't do it properly, they can end up clogging the proper drainage holes and trapping water inside the bodywork... causing rust!
As far as the actual visible bodywork's concerned, regular washing and waxing will be of far more benefit than any ludicrously overpriced rust treatment.
The fact remains that these days, cars leave the factory already rustproof, but some dealers choose to play on people's fears of rust to make some easy extra profit, especially since many people are trading in an old car that's started to rust. Think about it - the dealer is basically saying that the car has been so badly-made that it's likely to rust!
Originally Posted by GarethR
have a look at the car before and after....the rust proof is so obvious once applied
As far as the actual visible bodywork's concerned, regular washing and waxing will be of far more benefit than any ludicrously overpriced rust treatment.
The fact remains that these days, cars leave the factory already rustproof, but some dealers choose to play on people's fears of rust to make some easy extra profit, especially since many people are trading in an old car that's started to rust. Think about it - the dealer is basically saying that the car has been so badly-made that it's likely to rust!
Apr 17th 2005, 1:39 pm
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Re: Is this a good deal on a new car?
Originally Posted by W10
If you're not going to offroad in it then buy a stylish soft roader like the Murano. Or even the Freelander.
Apr 17th 2005, 1:42 pm
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Re: Is this a good deal on a new car?
Originally Posted by GarethR
We must be talking about different kinds of rustproofing, then, since the rustproofing I'm thinking of is the type that's applied by spraying a chemical mix into cavities in the underside of the car. Of course, since most places don't do it properly, they can end up clogging the proper drainage holes and trapping water inside the bodywork... causing rust!
As far as the actual visible bodywork's concerned, regular washing and waxing will be of far more benefit than any ludicrously overpriced rust treatment.
The fact remains that these days, cars leave the factory already rustproof, but some dealers choose to play on people's fears of rust to make some easy extra profit, especially since many people are trading in an old car that's started to rust. Think about it - the dealer is basically saying that the car has been so badly-made that it's likely to rust!
As far as the actual visible bodywork's concerned, regular washing and waxing will be of far more benefit than any ludicrously overpriced rust treatment.
The fact remains that these days, cars leave the factory already rustproof, but some dealers choose to play on people's fears of rust to make some easy extra profit, especially since many people are trading in an old car that's started to rust. Think about it - the dealer is basically saying that the car has been so badly-made that it's likely to rust!
but I would rather pay he extra 750 rather than having the doubt that it actually needs rust proofing
Apr 17th 2005, 3:14 pm
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Re: Is this a good deal on a new car?
Originally Posted by Nabs
different opinions and I respect yours but I would rather pay he extra 750 rather than having the doubt that it actually needs rust proofing
but I would rather pay he extra 750 rather than having the doubt that it actually needs rust proofing 
I spoke to my brother-in-law who manages a car showroom about this today. He was very open about it and said that while his dealership (in the UK) is forbidden to try and offer it, many other dealerships do (including one he worked for in the past), and it's pure profit, since the cars simply don't need it.
As he said, if customers actually thought about it and investigated it, they'd never fall for it... but most customers don't understand about the materials that cars are made from these days, so they agree to pay sometimes hundreds of pounds for a treatment that costs the dealer a few tens of pounds at most, and which offers no benefit at all to the customer.
I suppose the polite way of putting it would be "You pays your money and takes your choice", but my brother-in-law was unequivocal... "There's one born every minute!"
Apr 17th 2005, 3:27 pm
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Re: Is this a good deal on a new car?
Originally Posted by GarethR
Shan't!
Haven't done much off-roading here but as you say, who has, and how often? We found the Cherokee good at home as we went to the Highands a lot and for anyone familiar with the Lecht road, you'll know why we wanted something decent! The Grand Cherokee is like driving a tank in comparison - stick with the Cherokee if you want fun.
I got the windows of this one tinted for 250 AED btw. Oh, and sorry about the flippant comment earlier!
Apr 17th 2005, 4:02 pm
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Re: Is this a good deal on a new car?
Originally Posted by GarethR
I've done some research, and *all* of the reputable sources of advice say that paying a dealer for rustproofing is a total waste of money. They all make the point that modern manufacturing techniques and materials mean that cars leave the factory with a high resistance to rust, and that dealer rustproofing can actually *damage* a car in the long term if it's not done properly (and hardly anyone does it properly).
Plus, of course, if you pay for it, how can you be sure if it's actually been applied? Just take the dealer's word?
It's just another way for dealers to try and take your money without offering anything of any genuine benefit. Y'know, like the "dealer prep fee", where you pay a few hundred quid for the lowliest member of staff to peel the protective plastic off the seats and check the fluids and tyre pressures...
I like the look of the thing!
C'mon, look at the all the 4x4s tooling around Dubai - you can bet that *most* of them never go further offroad than the odd sandy verge!
Plus, of course, if you pay for it, how can you be sure if it's actually been applied? Just take the dealer's word?
It's just another way for dealers to try and take your money without offering anything of any genuine benefit. Y'know, like the "dealer prep fee", where you pay a few hundred quid for the lowliest member of staff to peel the protective plastic off the seats and check the fluids and tyre pressures...
I like the look of the thing!
C'mon, look at the all the 4x4s tooling around Dubai - you can bet that *most* of them never go further offroad than the odd sandy verge!
The cherokee is a good car if yr not dune bashing but beware they don't hold their value too well out here. Why not buy a second hand one , 3yrs old 35k, gotta be a good deal.
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Apr 17th 2005, 5:06 pm
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Re: Is this a good deal on a new car?
Originally Posted by GarethR
Each to his own, Bob... and I'm not buying it to do any offroading anyway.
And I might think *your* car is shit!
And I might think *your* car is shit!
Apr 18th 2005, 7:19 am
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Re: Is this a good deal on a new car?
Originally Posted by LakesLassie
I got the windows of this one tinted for 250 AED btw.
50 aed in Ajman
Apr 18th 2005, 7:36 am
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Re: Is this a good deal on a new car?
Originally Posted by Nabs
50 aed in Ajman
Apr 18th 2005, 7:44 am
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Re: Is this a good deal on a new car?
Originally Posted by LakesLassie
Show off!
Apr 18th 2005, 8:21 am
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Re: Is this a good deal on a new car?
Originally Posted by Jammy_Dodgers
Went to get mine done at V-Kool on SZR, but there is a 2 week waiting list.... and it was a bit more than 50 Dhs
I can take you to they guy i deal with, he's really good
Apr 18th 2005, 8:22 am
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Re: Is this a good deal on a new car?
Originally Posted by LakesLassie
Show off!
Apr 18th 2005, 10:02 am
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Re: Is this a good deal on a new car?
Originally Posted by GarethR
I'm after a brand-new fully-loaded Jeep Cherokee, and I went to see Trading Enterprises today. This is the deal they offered me :
AED 107,000 for the car (reduced from 108,000) if I take their in-house financing from some bank I forget the name of at an interest rate of 4.1%
3 years/60,000kms of free maintenance
AED 525 for tinting
AED 750 for rustproofing (does it even need it?)
AED 5055 for insurance
AED 440 for registration
Of course, this amazing deal is only available until the 20th!
Does that sound like a good deal to those in the know, or is it only average? Is there even much room for negotiating on the price of a new car out here?
And would it be "safe" taking financing and insurance from the XYZ Islamic Whatever rather than HSBC (for the loan) and, say, Norwich Union (for the insurance)? I've been warned against getting car insurance through anything other than one of the internationally-known companies.
I have to say, my gut feeling is that I should arrange the finance through the HSBC (where I have my UAE bank account) and the insurance through the NU, but is that me just being too staid and British?
AED 107,000 for the car (reduced from 108,000) if I take their in-house financing from some bank I forget the name of at an interest rate of 4.1%
3 years/60,000kms of free maintenance
AED 525 for tinting
AED 750 for rustproofing (does it even need it?)
AED 5055 for insurance
AED 440 for registration
Of course, this amazing deal is only available until the 20th!
Does that sound like a good deal to those in the know, or is it only average? Is there even much room for negotiating on the price of a new car out here?
And would it be "safe" taking financing and insurance from the XYZ Islamic Whatever rather than HSBC (for the loan) and, say, Norwich Union (for the insurance)? I've been warned against getting car insurance through anything other than one of the internationally-known companies.
I have to say, my gut feeling is that I should arrange the finance through the HSBC (where I have my UAE bank account) and the insurance through the NU, but is that me just being too staid and British?
