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Old Mar 23rd 2020, 4:55 am
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What's most fun is scanning facebook and seeing all the guff about kids being at home and studying.

I've never known a group of humans to be such walking, talking contradictions as parents are. Literally non stop moaning about how shit kids are and how they're such little ***** to survive alongside.......yet when you laugh or join in and agree that they're kids are pure scum?
Oh god, you get the full berries wrath of how wonderful kids are, with a side order or doubt and slathered in deceit-syrup.
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Old Mar 23rd 2020, 4:57 am
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That's not parents, that's human kind. But yes, kids have a tendency to become little shits when they're stuck inside all day.
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Old Mar 23rd 2020, 5:47 am
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Originally Posted by csdf
That's not parents, that's human kind. But yes, kids have a tendency to become little shits when they're stuck inside all day.
Tell me about it. The 3yo **** next door does not EVER stop screaming. Sometimes fun screams, sometimes we-should-call-the-police screams.

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Old Mar 23rd 2020, 5:53 am
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Try having twins...actually, don't, do not ever have twins. But yeah, twins are great. .
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Old Mar 23rd 2020, 5:58 am
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Originally Posted by csdf
Try having twins...actually, don't, do not ever have twins. But yeah, twins are great. .
Genuine lol.
Friends are in the final descent to twins landing soon. Boys. To go with the boy they already have.
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Genuine lol.
Friends are in the final descent to twins landing soon. Boys. To go with the boy they already have.
Therein true madness lies. At least we've been able to dilute the boymageddon.
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Old Mar 23rd 2020, 6:54 am
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Originally Posted by DXBtoDOH
Because better now than next winter.

Destroy the economy and throw tens of millions of healthy workers out of work to save a handful of pensioners who would be dying in the next year anyway, only to have the virus come rearing right back next winter. You may not like Johnson but his and the NHS advisers are not ignorant internet armchair experts. The data coming out of Italy is quite clear, average age of death 80, vast majority have severe underlying health conditions, 3/4ths are men.

No one likes death and no one wants to die but destroying the economy isn't an answer either. The virus is a terrible thing but a lockdown for the next 18 months isn't a solution.
Whilst it is more fatal for older victims, younger victims also need hospital beds.

The economy is totally screwed if there are no healthcare facilities for anyone

Alternatively you get a lottery ticket for needing hospitalization (1 in 5 chance of winning) for catching the disease when getting any medical treatment for something else.

Example: Appendicitis 100% fatal if not treated, if treated in time, you have an excellent prognosis for recovery
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I'm going to be blunt. Yes.

My kids need a functioning economy so they can have food to eat, a school to educate them and a life to look forward to. If the choice is half a million deaths now from Covid-19 or untold tens of millions starving later in the year, what do you do? Because that potentially is the awful choice upon us.
I don't think people have grasped how much this is going to change our lives in the short and long term.

A lot of people will die, sadly there is no getting away from that.

Thew economy is going to be screwed.

Working practices will likely change forever (if business can continue without the need for office space, why spend all that money on expensive city locations?).

Everyone seems to think they know best, with hindsight its very easy to say what should have been done differently but I do not believe various governments have done things with bad intentions, they are doing what they thought was best to steer us through an unprecedented situation.

In the UK, the biggest mistake was assuming all of the population would behave like responsible and mature adults, as a result they will need to enforce a lock-down.




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Originally Posted by csdf
Try having twins...actually, don't, do not ever have twins. But yeah, twins are great. .
A friend of mine already had 2 girls and then they had a surprise pregnancy.... triplets... boys.... game changer!
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Old Mar 23rd 2020, 7:38 am
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Working practices will likely change forever (if business can continue without the need for office space, why spend all that money on expensive city locations?).
Spot on - prime city globally has been under threat for a while given technology and cultural changes but this is a death-blow. WeWork... ouch

I think there will be a big shift in wealth and population dynamics. Farmers were the rich boys in the past, then it was the knowledge workers - supply chain management and AI will be next.


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Originally Posted by NorthernLad

Everyone seems to think they know best, with hindsight its very easy to say what should have been done differently but I do not believe various governments have done things with bad intentions, they are doing what they thought was best to steer us through an unprecedented situation.

In the UK, the biggest mistake was assuming all of the population would behave like responsible and mature adults, as a result they will need to enforce a lock-down.
Great points. No matter what happens the know-it-alls are out in force, ironically, they're probably the same sort of dickheads you refer to who can't stay in.
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Still waiting on our client to agree to force majuere on this contract and let me get out of the country. If things don't get moving we will have to frustrate the contract.
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Old Mar 23rd 2020, 10:19 am
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Originally Posted by FriendlyExpat
I'm going to be blunt. Yes.

My kids need a functioning economy so they can have food to eat, a school to educate them and a life to look forward to. If the choice is half a million deaths now from Covid-19 or untold tens of millions starving later in the year, what do you do? Because that potentially is the awful choice upon us.
You need to think it through a bit more I'm afraid. Without severe containment, you will get almost half of the population sick at one time: ALL the expert epidemiological models predict at least this - some indicate much higher levels and most of the assumptions used have proven to be conservative e.g. average number of people infected by any given carrier now looks to be more than six where most models assume between two and three. A large number of these, including younger people, will be severely ill even if they don't die. With not enough people to perform essential work, not only will you no longer have a functioning economy, you won't have a functioning society (no power, no food, no police, no hospitals....).

That's why every conceivable measure has to be taken to delay the spread and maintain infections at a (barely) manageable level, which is estimated at 20% increase in cases per day, which is just about where we are in most countries now. And that's just to keep par with what has happened in Italy...
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Old Mar 23rd 2020, 10:28 am
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Y\\ (as has been observed in China and Italy where health workers have suffered higher rates of more acute cases). And the health service not just being overwhelmed but actually collapsing.
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Most people cheering for lockdowns tend to be
1) Financially self sufficient or will not be losing their jobs
2) Assuming every single country will become like North Italy and Wuhan

Korea and Singapore and Japan all somehow handled cases without shutting down the economy, but they are ignored the by the "shut the economy" crowd

And then you got all these people on social media praising the clear skies and calling for lockdowns to be made permanent so we can all stay at home, sing in our balconies, and admire the clear blue skies (and carry a piece of paper whenever leaving home)

If a country faces a situation like Italy or Wuhan (which very few are, maybe France and Spain, and certainly not the US outside of NYC), then lockdowns work.

Otherwise, what you need is to stop gatherings (parties, sports, schools), and to strictly trace contacts of positive people and quarantine them

The reason so many places locked down is not because people walking outside is lethal, as so many stayhomers are pretending, its because a subset of the population cannot be trusted to not socialize in crowded places if allowed to do so
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Originally Posted by Maxima
its because a subset of the population cannot be trusted to not socialize in crowded places if allowed to do so
Should probably lock things down to stop them perpetuating the problem for everyone else then.
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