Completing N138 to pay National Insurance whilst overseas - which class?
Good Morning Expats!
I am returning to the ME again, this time back to KSA with the same employer as 2001 - 2004. I am flying 1st April - 5 days time! 29 month contract initially. I would like to pay voluntary NIC's while I am there to ensure I keep my state pension contributions up to date. I already have 30 years but, now that they have upped this to 35 I want to keep ahead of the game. I have printed of form N138 ready to complete. Seems quite straightforward. Last time I did this I am fairly sure I paid class 2. Is this still the same? Thanks for any help/advice |
Re: Completing N138 to pay National Insurance whilst overseas - which class?
You can still pay Class 2 for the time being but that changes from April 2018 as announced in the last budget.
UK Budget March 2016 – what expats need to know | Financial Planning in the UAE |
Re: Completing N138 to pay National Insurance whilst overseas - which class?
Thanks Meow, I knew would drop by with the answer :thumbsup:
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Re: Completing N138 to pay National Insurance whilst overseas - which class?
I pay class 2 as I was self-employed prior to emigrating and was paying class 2 in the UK. Class 2 is way cheaper than Class 3 so while the chancellor may be doing the self-employed in the UK a favour, he isn't for those of us overseas who still want to contribute to our UK pension:
"Class 2 NIC contributions are currently £2.80 per week, whereas Class 3 NIC contributions are currently £14.10 per week (2015/16 rates). Class 3 NICs do not accrue entitlement to contribution-based employment and support allowance, whereas Class 2 NICs do accrue entitlement to these state benefits." I was told that unless you are already paying class 2 in the UK prior to leaving, you are not eligible to pay this class while overseas but would have to pay class 3. Seems like this might not be the case though? |
Re: Completing N138 to pay National Insurance whilst overseas - which class?
Why on earth would you expect the Chancellor of the Exchequer to do expats, who are mostly contributing little to the UK in the way of taxes, a favour?
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Re: Completing N138 to pay National Insurance whilst overseas - which class?
This might help the OP:
Living and working abroad Voluntary National Insurance You must be eligible to pay voluntary National Insurance contributions for the time that the contributions cover. You can usually only pay for gaps in your National Insurance record from the past 6 years. "Class 2 - but only if you worked in the UK immediately before leaving, and you’ve previously lived in the UK for 3 years in a row or paid 3 years’ National Insurance" HMRC told me not to bother when I enquired after moving overseas, since NI contributions are mandatory if/ when you return to work in the UK, even if you exceed the 35 years required for full state pension. I might have to reconsider this, as I've been in the ME for near 6 years now, and not sure if/ when I'll return to the UK to work. |
Re: Completing N138 to pay National Insurance whilst overseas - which class?
Thanks JB :thumbsup:
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Re: Completing N138 to pay National Insurance whilst overseas - which class?
Originally Posted by sicklyman
(Post 11907730)
..... I was told that unless you are already paying class 2 in the UK prior to leaving, you are not eligible to pay this class while overseas but would have to pay class 3.
Seems like this might not be the case though? |
Re: Completing N138 to pay National Insurance whilst overseas - which class?
Originally Posted by Meow
(Post 11907957)
Why on earth would you expect the Chancellor of the Exchequer to do expats, who are mostly contributing little to the UK in the way of taxes, a favour?
Us little folks who as you say "contribute little to the UK in the way of taxes" should not expect any favours like the ones afforded to non-doms or big corporations who "contribute little [read nothing] to the UK in the way of taxes." Thanks for reminding me what world I live in. |
Re: Completing N138 to pay National Insurance whilst overseas - which class?
oh jeeze I haven't paid any NIC since I moved here - am I too late to contribute? or can I start to contribute and if so will I have to back date my contribution from the time I moved here?
Any advice would be appreciated :) |
Re: Completing N138 to pay National Insurance whilst overseas - which class?
Originally Posted by mission
(Post 11910032)
oh jeeze I haven't paid any NIC since I moved here - am I too late to contribute? or can I start to contribute and if so will I have to back date my contribution from the time I moved here? ......
You have apply for and request Class 2 contributions, but if you were employed before and after you emigrated you should be approved easily. |
Re: Completing N138 to pay National Insurance whilst overseas - which class?
Originally Posted by mission
(Post 11910032)
oh jeeze I haven't paid any NIC since I moved here - am I too late to contribute? or can I start to contribute and if so will I have to back date my contribution from the time I moved here?
Any advice would be appreciated :) I'd suggest you obtain a forecast (google BR19) and find out how many years you have in the system so far to see where you stand. |
Re: Completing N138 to pay National Insurance whilst overseas - which class?
Originally Posted by LAMMIMAN
(Post 11910945)
Hi there, in addition to all the great advice above on the specific NIC rules, just one observation: you say '29 month contract initially' - If you are considering staying abroad longer term and maybe retire abroad, .....
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Re: Completing N138 to pay National Insurance whilst overseas - which class?
I have a question that fits here.
If you have already paid 35 years NIC but have left UK and do not plan to return am I right in thinking that nothing further need be paid in the way of NIC and yet a full basic state pension will be paid at the appropriate age? Thanks |
Re: Completing N138 to pay National Insurance whilst overseas - which class?
Originally Posted by martinbkk
(Post 11911553)
I have a question that fits here.
If you have already paid 35 years NIC but have left UK and do not plan to return am I right in thinking that nothing further need be paid in the way of NIC and yet a full basic state pension will be paid at the appropriate age? .... |
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