Any Arabic speakers / writers on here?
Jan 18th 2010, 5:23 pm
#31
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Re: Any Arabic speakers / writers on here?
Much as I am going to regret this, I can confirm what seven sucks says in this instance.
We initially attempted to get documents and presentations done in-house. The Egyptian engineer would disagree with Syrian accountant who would disagree with the Palestinian PA about how to phrase, spell and prose things. The local client would then send the whole thing back and ask us to try again.
Only way to do anything high level is to use a local well educated professional translator. Especially if its a legal document.
We initially attempted to get documents and presentations done in-house. The Egyptian engineer would disagree with Syrian accountant who would disagree with the Palestinian PA about how to phrase, spell and prose things. The local client would then send the whole thing back and ask us to try again.
Only way to do anything high level is to use a local well educated professional translator. Especially if its a legal document.
Jan 18th 2010, 7:03 pm
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Re: Any Arabic speakers / writers on here?
mwap wap waaaaa-aaap!!
(wobbly sound effect there)
Why would an engineer/accountant/PA know how to translate?
There's a joke about a company with Egyptian engineers, Syrian accountants and Palestinian PAs....
(wobbly sound effect there)
Why would an engineer/accountant/PA know how to translate?
There's a joke about a company with Egyptian engineers, Syrian accountants and Palestinian PAs....
Jan 18th 2010, 8:40 pm
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Re: Any Arabic speakers / writers on here?
Jan 18th 2010, 10:08 pm
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Jan 18th 2010, 10:26 pm
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Re: Any Arabic speakers / writers on here?
شكلو مبسوتين بلجوجل ترانزليت روحو ترانزلت هيدي
بحر الشوق لطامي
لجلج موجه الطامي
لو بالدامن آخاير
قطع شرع الأولامي
لي محبوب أحبه
بيني وبينه محبه
يسبح بي وأنا اسبح به
ودون البندر اعوامي
حسنه شرب بحمره
خذ مالشمس والقمره
وجه مكتمل بدره
وشفت البدر جدامي
رمش وعين نهابه
فيها السحر جذابه
عوق القلب والبابه
وطب جروح قدامي
فوع وورود عنابه
على خده وجلبابه
نجوم الليل في ثيابه
تحظى شخصه السامي
يفرق فرق في الخرد
لي بالطول يفرد
فوع الجوري مورد
في وجنات انعامي
حبه في الحشا لاظي
وسيفه قاطع ماضي
وأنا راضي ولا براضي
على تعذيب الأيامي
بحر الشوق لطامي
لجلج موجه الطامي
لو بالدامن آخاير
قطع شرع الأولامي
لي محبوب أحبه
بيني وبينه محبه
يسبح بي وأنا اسبح به
ودون البندر اعوامي
حسنه شرب بحمره
خذ مالشمس والقمره
وجه مكتمل بدره
وشفت البدر جدامي
رمش وعين نهابه
فيها السحر جذابه
عوق القلب والبابه
وطب جروح قدامي
فوع وورود عنابه
على خده وجلبابه
نجوم الليل في ثيابه
تحظى شخصه السامي
يفرق فرق في الخرد
لي بالطول يفرد
فوع الجوري مورد
في وجنات انعامي
حبه في الحشا لاظي
وسيفه قاطع ماضي
وأنا راضي ولا براضي
على تعذيب الأيامي
Jan 18th 2010, 10:44 pm
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Re: Any Arabic speakers / writers on here?
شكلو مبسوتين بلجوجل ترانزليت روحو ترانزلت هيدي
بحر الشوق لطامي
لجلج موجه الطامي
لو بالدامن آخاير
قطع شرع الأولامي
لي محبوب أحبه
بيني وبينه محبه
يسبح بي وأنا اسبح به
ودون البندر اعوامي
حسنه شرب بحمره
خذ مالشمس والقمره
وجه مكتمل بدره
وشفت البدر جدامي
رمش وعين نهابه
فيها السحر جذابه
عوق القلب والبابه
وطب جروح قدامي
فوع وورود عنابه
على خده وجلبابه
نجوم الليل في ثيابه
تحظى شخصه السامي
يفرق فرق في الخرد
لي بالطول يفرد
فوع الجوري مورد
في وجنات انعامي
حبه في الحشا لاظي
وسيفه قاطع ماضي
وأنا راضي ولا براضي
على تعذيب الأيامي
بحر الشوق لطامي
لجلج موجه الطامي
لو بالدامن آخاير
قطع شرع الأولامي
لي محبوب أحبه
بيني وبينه محبه
يسبح بي وأنا اسبح به
ودون البندر اعوامي
حسنه شرب بحمره
خذ مالشمس والقمره
وجه مكتمل بدره
وشفت البدر جدامي
رمش وعين نهابه
فيها السحر جذابه
عوق القلب والبابه
وطب جروح قدامي
فوع وورود عنابه
على خده وجلبابه
نجوم الليل في ثيابه
تحظى شخصه السامي
يفرق فرق في الخرد
لي بالطول يفرد
فوع الجوري مورد
في وجنات انعامي
حبه في الحشا لاظي
وسيفه قاطع ماضي
وأنا راضي ولا براضي
على تعذيب الأيامي
Jan 18th 2010, 10:52 pm
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Jan 18th 2010, 11:01 pm
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Re: Any Arabic speakers / writers on here?
Rumi, ya akhee, Rumi.......
Get with the mystic vibe, dude!
Love is not condescension, never
that, nor books, nor any marking
on paper, nor what people say of
each other. Love is a tree with
branches reaching into eternity
and roots set deep in eternity,
and no trunk! Have you seen it?
The mind cannot. Your desiring
cannot. The longing you feel for
this loves comes from inside you.
When you become the Friend, your
longing will be as the man in
the ocean who holds to a piece of
wood. Eventually, wood, man, and
oceans become one swaying being,
shams Tabriz, the secret of God.
Lovely enjambment in the English translation.... less sure about the weak feminine endings (got knows there's been enough of them for one goddam lifetime!!!!).
BTW - TBH my Farsi, like my Arabic, sucks like a hoover. But a wonderful language for poetry - like the Romance languages, it lends itself to a fluency that belies English translation (the quatrain could never have been an English invention - its reliance on rhyme and rhythm is utterly incompatible with the stoccatto nature of English. And they call the Semetic Languages guttural?????....
Get with the mystic vibe, dude!
Love is not condescension, never
that, nor books, nor any marking
on paper, nor what people say of
each other. Love is a tree with
branches reaching into eternity
and roots set deep in eternity,
and no trunk! Have you seen it?
The mind cannot. Your desiring
cannot. The longing you feel for
this loves comes from inside you.
When you become the Friend, your
longing will be as the man in
the ocean who holds to a piece of
wood. Eventually, wood, man, and
oceans become one swaying being,
shams Tabriz, the secret of God.
Lovely enjambment in the English translation.... less sure about the weak feminine endings (got knows there's been enough of them for one goddam lifetime!!!!).
BTW - TBH my Farsi, like my Arabic, sucks like a hoover. But a wonderful language for poetry - like the Romance languages, it lends itself to a fluency that belies English translation (the quatrain could never have been an English invention - its reliance on rhyme and rhythm is utterly incompatible with the stoccatto nature of English. And they call the Semetic Languages guttural?????....
Last edited by shakh your bootie; Jan 18th 2010 at 11:06 pm.
Jan 19th 2010, 2:16 am
#39
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Re: Any Arabic speakers / writers on here?
Thnak f**k for that. Some civilised stuff.
Jan 19th 2010, 8:03 am
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Re: Any Arabic speakers / writers on here?
I knew it was persian... It made no sense when I read it. Arabic and Persian are similar but not the same
Jan 19th 2010, 5:17 pm
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Re: Any Arabic speakers / writers on here?
I dont know, because they put on their CV's that they were excellent speakers/writers/readers of these languages?
It goes, XXXXXXXX XXXXX hired a few people to work in Abu Dhabi on a five year job............
It goes, XXXXXXXX XXXXX hired a few people to work in Abu Dhabi on a five year job............
Jan 19th 2010, 5:54 pm
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Yeah mate , they would though wouldn't they?
I'm surprised, I thought you'd be more aware about different levels of language ability than that.
It's just like asking a butcher to change your brake pads.
As for the joke, f**ked if I'd hire that lot though...
I'm surprised, I thought you'd be more aware about different levels of language ability than that.
It's just like asking a butcher to change your brake pads.
As for the joke, f**ked if I'd hire that lot though...
Jan 20th 2010, 4:20 pm
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Jan 25th 2010, 2:24 am
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Re: Any Arabic speakers / writers on here?
That's a bit rich coming fropm someone whose culture includes a grand total of ONE native herb, and considers boiled cabbage to be fit for human consumption.
Anyone care to comment on the similarities between 'good' food
in the UK and shit?
Apart from that, I wouldn't trust any Arabic speaker - not even translators- to get it right. The standards of Arabic as well as English are well below average. And very few Arabs are really bilingual, in the way many Europeans are.
Translation isn't something that just anyone can do, with the help of a dictionary. It takes an ear for language, cultural understanding and an appreciation for extremely subtle differences in meaning.
Euc- that's because short vowels aren't written in Arabic, so a simple name like John looks just like Joan and June. Patrick can be written four different ways. How do we spell Mohammed/Muhammed/Mohammad/Muhammad? Same story. There isn't a one-to-one match between all sounds in all languages, just as there isn't a one-to-one lexical relationship when it comes to words.
Anyone care to comment on the similarities between 'good' food
in the UK and shit? Apart from that, I wouldn't trust any Arabic speaker - not even translators- to get it right. The standards of Arabic as well as English are well below average. And very few Arabs are really bilingual, in the way many Europeans are.
Translation isn't something that just anyone can do, with the help of a dictionary. It takes an ear for language, cultural understanding and an appreciation for extremely subtle differences in meaning.
Euc- that's because short vowels aren't written in Arabic, so a simple name like John looks just like Joan and June. Patrick can be written four different ways. How do we spell Mohammed/Muhammed/Mohammad/Muhammad? Same story. There isn't a one-to-one match between all sounds in all languages, just as there isn't a one-to-one lexical relationship when it comes to words.
Jan 25th 2010, 5:39 am
#45
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Re: Any Arabic speakers / writers on here?
Your ignorance about the Arabic language is so obvious, what the hell are you talking about, do you know what you are saying or you are just bullshitting, which one is it please, let us know, because we are really confused about you wannna be logic to the Arabic language. Kindly enlighthen us further.
