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Old Jun 21st 2011, 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by Mullet View Post
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The merger this company has undergone has led to them having a very high amount of QS staff in the Middle East as the parent group now brings the various QS firms they have into one business line. I know people who are on notice and others who are getting pay rises / promotions, all depends on the status of the projects you are involved in. There is no such thing as a safe construction project here!

The salary is low, if it is workable for you will depend on your personal circumstances, if you are young free and single then it may suit, but if you're bringing dependants or need to fund a mortgage in the UK you'll need better a salary (either way you want be putting much money away each month once you have deducted for rent, car, flights and socialising).

You don't sound too far off from being an SQS in terms of experience and qualifications, maybe you should push to come out here at SQS level (AED35k min). If your good and don't get stuck out on some site in the middle of nowhere there are still good opportunities and the pay isn't bad at higher levels, but at the lower grades you compete with sub-continent and filipino staff who will work for a lot less.

By the way, are you employed in the UK? Be careful if you are thinking of giving up a position to move here.
I don't think that I'm far off being a Senior either, in fact I think that I tick the boxes now. I think my main restraint is I'm mid twenties and I previously thought of senior roles for those closer to 30+
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Don't believe it, roles should be based on a mixture of ability and experience, I was an SQS at 27.
If you are changing a job it's generally only worthwhile if the move involves a promotion and a min 25% pay increase.
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Swings and roundabouts...

I have a candidate interviewed for a Snr MEP QS role with an MEP Contractor / Subbie and despite having slightly more experience than you (6-7yrs) he was deemed too expensive at 35k.

Everyone on here will tell you that you should be getting that MINIMUM, but it's harder and harder to come by. PQS side of things I don't deal with but if I'm right in guessing the company you've been offered by then I might have got drunk with one of their Directors out here last week (Thursday night brunch). They seem to be busy people.

If you want me to have a look at your CV and suggest some places then PM me and I'll give you my email address.

(yes I'm a recruiter.)
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Don't believe it, roles should be based on a mixture of ability and experience, I was an SQS at 27.
If you are changing a job it's generally only worthwhile if the move involves a promotion and a min 25% pay increase.
25% pay increase? That's ridiculous.

So if you're a SQS on 40,000 (for example) the minimum you would accept is 50,000?

Dream world.
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I may have been living in a tin box in the desert too long , but could someone give me a bit more of a clue on the Companies being discussed here
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Maybe ridiculous, depends on why you're moving. For me a move to another company is only worthwhile if it progresses career and salary, so if I'm a SQS earning 40k I would only move to another firm if I would be an associate earning 50K. Why move to be an SQS earning 42k if you have to start a fresh and rebuild relationships with new colleagues and clients and possible delay your career progression?

It's called having a career plan.
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I would presume we are talking Davis Langdon, AECOM, Tischmans, Hanscombs etc.
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I may have been living in a tin box in the desert too long , but could someone give me a bit more of a clue on the Companies being discussed here
AECOM bought out Davis Langdon last year
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Maybe ridiculous, depends on why you're moving. For me a move to another company is only worthwhile if it progresses career and salary, so if I'm a SQS earning 40k I would only move to another firm if I would be an associate earning 50K. Why move to be an SQS earning 42k if you have to start a fresh and rebuild relationships with new colleagues and clients and possible delay your career progression?

It's called having a career plan.
A 'career plan' doesn't neccessarily mean a pay increase of that much money.

You get punted because jobs dry up do you still go round touting for an Associate position?

If you're good enough to be an Associate and want 50k to move, why aren't you getting that where you are? Are you sat below dead men's desks?

(they aren't directed at you directly, just generally...I think being realistic is key, especially at the moment.)
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A 'career plan' doesn't neccessarily mean a pay increase of that much money.Agreed, but it sets out your targets and milestones and is a tool to use to assess the benefit of moving positions, the point to be made is that any move should be carefully planned and considered against the affect it has on your career

You get punted because jobs dry up do you still go round touting for an Associate position?It all depends on why you are moving and how desperate you are, I'm not suggesting that people out of work should go around looking for a 25% increase, I'm surprised you read my statement in that light.

If you're good enough to be an Associate and want 50k to move, why aren't you getting that where you are? Are you sat below dead men's desks?Totally valid point, if you are good enough I'd suggest sticking it out with the company you are with, so for the OP, if you think you are an SQS ask for a promotion and get it or find out what you need to do to get it, and then come out here. Alternatively ask your potential employers to clarify why they consider you qs rather than sqs. If you move as a qs you are going to have to convince your new employers that your deserving of a promotion and that will take time, probably longer than remaining where you are

(they aren't directed at you directly, just generally...I think being realistic is key, especially at the moment.)
Of course, but talented people are always in demand. The best job offers will come from clients and contacts, not from recruitment consultants.
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Of course, but talented people are always in demand. The best job offers will come from clients and contacts, not from recruitment consultants.

Totally agree
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Thanks Mullet & WC

Was aware of the DLE cut & run by the Equity Partners - that happened a year ago, but the "recently" (from earlier post) threw me! Thought for a moment that I may have missed that Currie & Brown/ECH/Gleeds/Cyril Sweet had been swallowed as well
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Thanks Mullet & WC

Was aware of the DLE cut & run by the Equity Partners - that happened a year ago, but the "recently" (from earlier post) threw me! Thought for a moment that I may have missed that Currie & Brown/ECH/Gleeds/Cyril Sweet had been swallowed as well
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Thank you WakeUp,

I have to say from the impressions I was getting I did think that was more in line with what other people were telling me they were on etc..

I think based on my expenses and the costs I know I will incur over there, I need to be looking at 30-32k per month or higher really.
I think if you don't need to work over here, or are still in work now hold out for a better offer. If you need to move then obviously do what you have to.

The lowering of the salaries and packages is just as much driven by the recruiters as the companies involved, as they are going to try and place you cheaply.
Case in point is when sometimes I see the same CV from two different agencies with 2 very different expected salaries, so its quite clear to see. Of course then a HR guy is going to tell you well we can get the same people for less than you are asking. Vicious circle really.. This isn't a recruitment rant, just an explanation of the current circumstance.

But as a few have commented the best way is to use your own contacts as they won't be playing this game with an already proven candidate and try go from there.
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I think if you don't need to work over here, or are still in work now hold out for a better offer. If you need to move then obviously do what you have to.

The lowering of the salaries and packages is just as much driven by the recruiters as the companies involved, as they are going to try and place you cheaply.
Case in point is when sometimes I see the same CV from two different agencies with 2 very different expected salaries, so its quite clear to see. Of course then a HR guy is going to tell you well we can get the same people for less than you are asking. Vicious circle really.. This isn't a recruitment rant, just an explanation of the current circumstance.

But as a few have commented the best way is to use your own contacts as they won't be playing this game with an already proven candidate and try go from there.
Thank you everyone for your feedback.

I'm interested to know what the salary expectations should be in Qatar also?

I know there's a lot of work out there at the moment, and people have shown interest, so I want to compare the two.
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