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Old Sep 30th 2018, 10:10 pm
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Hi all

Warning - here come the traditional newbie questions...

I’ve been offered a Project Manager Role at Atkins in their Dubai office. I have over ten years’ project management experience in construction and now apply my trade as a consultant at one of the Big 4.

I was was hoping to get a guage of the package on offer:

32k pm (all in)
22 days annual leave
Annual flights


In the UK my current package is pretty decent - £80k pa with 25 days leave (which works out to be more or less the same) and I will be bringing my wife (won’t be working) and one year old with me.

I have rejected the offer and would appreciate some guidance of an appropriate figure. I’m keen to request a schooling/nursery allowance, relocation costs covered, 25 days leave.

Any Atkins or Faith and Gould guys out there? Any idea what a person with my spec can command? (research has thrown a wide range from 25-60k).

Thank you for your time and would appreciate any feedback.

Regards,

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Old Oct 1st 2018, 5:19 am
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Default Re: Advice needed....Dubai/Atkins

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Hi all

Warning - here come the traditional newbie questions...

I’ve been offered a Project Manager Role at Atkins in their Dubai office. I have over ten years’ project management experience in construction and now apply my trade as a consultant at one of the Big 4.

I was was hoping to get a guage of the package on offer:

32k pm (all in)
22 days annual leave
Annual flights


In the UK my current package is pretty decent - £80k pa with 25 days leave (which works out to be more or less the same) and I will be bringing my wife (won’t be working) and one year old with me.

I have rejected the offer and would appreciate some guidance of an appropriate figure. I’m keen to request a schooling/nursery allowance, relocation costs covered, 25 days leave.

Any Atkins or Faith and Gould guys out there? Any idea what a person with my spec can command? (research has thrown a wide range from 25-60k).

Thank you for your time and would appreciate any feedback.

Regards,

SandyMcSand

To lead a decent life here I would say closer to 40-45k plus medical and flights for the family. If you can also negotiate some schooling once the little one turns four. You will be very lucky if you get paid nursery fees as companies rarely if ever pay them AED32,000 is very low and the average package for this role based on benchmark is AED40,000 per month. Salaries of late have been flat however companies no longer take into account a non working Spouse
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Default Re: Advice needed....Dubai/Atkins

Unfortunately the fact you're married and have a child has no bearing on the offer.

How much experience have you got in consultancies?
What's the 10 years experience made up of?

It sounds a bit low to me, based on what you've said. Can your wife work?

Happy to give you some better pointers, just PM me.
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Hi all.

Thanks for the feedback. I have 8 years in construction infrastructure projects (Rail) and just coming up to 2 years in consulting.

The wife will be working eventually once the little one starts nursery.

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Default Re: Advice needed....Dubai/Atkins

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Hi all.

Thanks for the feedback. I have 8 years in construction infrastructure projects (Rail) and just coming up to 2 years in consulting.

The wife will be working eventually once the little one starts nursery.

In rail projects in project management?

Consulting in rail?

What's the project you're coming to do?
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Hi Scamp

8 years as project manager with a dash of on site works. Worked predominantly on London Underground infrastructure (railway systems, fit out, signalling, civils) and worked on the northern line extension.

Right now Im doing PPM consulting - a mixture of secondment roles and advisory projects (performance improvement, PPM frameworks, PMO setup, earned value etc.). Clients are major infrastructure projects - highways, HS2, network rail, NHS and a few real estate developers.

Joining the consulting arm of Atkins to work on similar projects. I’m not coming over for the money. Just looking for a change and a better environment than the UK.
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An 80k GBP package in the UK (even in London) grants a much nicer life than a 32k AED one in Dubai.

You's want 45ish to match a similar standard of living. How feasible that is for your industry, I don't know. 45k doesn't seem unreasonable for that job though.
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Hi Scamp

8 years as project manager with a dash of on site works. Worked predominantly on London Underground infrastructure (railway systems, fit out, signalling, civils) and worked on the northern line extension.

Right now Im doing PPM consulting - a mixture of secondment roles and advisory projects (performance improvement, PPM frameworks, PMO setup, earned value etc.). Clients are major infrastructure projects - highways, HS2, network rail, NHS and a few real estate developers.

Joining the consulting arm of Atkins to work on similar projects. I’m not coming over for the money. Just looking for a change and a better environment than the UK.
32's taking the piss. Granted you've not got the international experience but it's too low.

10 year PM is probably low to mid 40's I'd say. Maybe they just don't have the rates on that particular project?

Defo push back, see what they say.
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Default Re: Advice needed....Dubai/Atkins

Thank you guys. Really appreciate the feedback.

This is looking like a bit of a non-starter. They won’t budge over the 32k mark and I’m keen to ensure I achieve an appropriate figure based on the 40k benchmark.
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Default Re: Advice needed....Dubai/Atkins

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Thank you guys. Really appreciate the feedback.

This is looking like a bit of a non-starter. They won’t budge over the 32k mark and I’m keen to ensure I achieve an appropriate figure based on the 40k benchmark.
You'll survive on 32k, it just won't be loads of fun and you, on the face of the information here, are worth more.
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Default Re: Advice needed....Dubai/Atkins

Originally Posted by SandyMcSand
Hi all

Warning - here come the traditional newbie questions...

I’ve been offered a Project Manager Role at Atkins in their Dubai office. I have over ten years’ project management experience in construction and now apply my trade as a consultant at one of the Big 4.

I was was hoping to get a guage of the package on offer:

32k pm (all in)
22 days annual leave
Annual flights


In the UK my current package is pretty decent - £80k pa with 25 days leave (which works out to be more or less the same) and I will be bringing my wife (won’t be working) and one year old with me.

I have rejected the offer and would appreciate some guidance of an appropriate figure. I’m keen to request a schooling/nursery allowance, relocation costs covered, 25 days leave.

Any Atkins or Faith and Gould guys out there? Any idea what a person with my spec can command? (research has thrown a wide range from 25-60k).

Thank you for your time and would appreciate any feedback.

Regards,

SandyMcSand
It is low. I'm in the industry in a similar role though on the design side and a few more years of experience, and make quite a bit more. Just assume it's a figure between 40 and 50k. But single.

Separate benefits such as school fees are increasingly rare. They still exist but usually as a calculation of the overall package rather than a meaningful separate benefit.

There's huge pressures to keep costs low and Atkins refusing to budge is confirming this. Clients are very tight with money these days and the consultancies are increasingly bringing in non-western project managers who'd be ecstatic to make 32k a month. That's not to say it's impossible to find your ideal role at preferred salary level, you just need to keep looking and something usually does come along.
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Default Re: Advice needed....Dubai/Atkins

Thank you all for the advice. It has helped me greatly and I have now turned down the offer.

The search continues. If anything should appear that matches my profile within your respective circles please do reach out to me.

All the best.
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Thank you all for the advice. It has helped me greatly and I have now turned down the offer.

The search continues. If anything should appear that matches my profile within your respective circles please do reach out to me.

All the best.
Jacobs seem to have a lot of work on Etihad Rail.
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