ADEC - Advice Please

Old Oct 21st 2012, 12:14 am
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Hi everyone

I am a Newbie and potential expat from the UK.
I have just found out that I am to be offered a contract working for ADEC as a subject advisor (Science Specialist).

I am told that I will be working with a cluster group of up to 6 secondary schools advising school leadership and local teachers on how to improve their systems and teaching practices.

I have been told that the role as an advisor is for one year and that this will then convert to a head of faculty role thereafter.

I have read all sorts of comments some good and some not so good about ADEC on this and other forums.

I have taught for 18 years in the UK in inner city, urban, suburban and rural schools and have held posts at classroom teacher, head of faculty and assistant headteacher level.

So I guess you would say I am pretty experienced.

I have been told that there will be virtually no teaching - what teaching their is will most likely be team teaching; the role is basically an advisory one.

The perks seem good - 18000 AED per month plus accommodation, travelling allowance, tuition fees for 2 children at a good private school, furniture allowance, gratuity at the end of each year, medical, flights etc.

I just wanted to know if there are any other advisors working for ADEC on the forum and, if there are, if you would be willing to give me some advice about the role and go over any pro's and con's.

For me, a move to the UAE would have to be one where it is all about quality of life for myself and the family - this is something sadly lacking in the UK education system at the moment.

I would be looking to move out initially by myself in January and then bring the family out a little later once I had secured places for them in the right schools.

My wife would not necessarily have to work although I have been told that there would be employment available at local schools if she wanted it (She is not a teacher).

It is quite a big move and I would be giving up a senior job in the UK but obviously the financial aspects look quite promising as does the potential to improve family quality of life.

Comments on ADEC - good and bad would be gratefully received - I am at the stage now where I am being asked to get my documents attested so the move is imminent.

Thanks very much

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Have you looked at this thread? The cost of living here can be high, so best to make sure it really is enough money to make the move worthwhile.

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=762609
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When you say:

The perks seem good - 18000 AED per month plus accommodation, travelling allowance, tuition fees for 2 children at a good private school, furniture allowance, gratuity at the end of each year, medical, flights etc.

Do you mean that the accommodation allowance is AED18k+ pcm, or is the AED18k pcm your salary on top of which you get various perks (such as accommodation)? If the latter (which I imagine), that doesn't sound like a good salary for someone who, as you put it, is well experienced.
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It's also worth pointing out that medical cover and gratuity aren't perks, but legal requirements. Anyone on an AD visa has to have medical cover provided by their employer and the end of service gratuity (which isn't payable annually) is set out in UAE Labour Law.
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Teacher's aren't well paid. ADEC are not bad from what I hear though.

Consider the fact though, that package-wise it's worth;

18,000
5,000 (I'm guessing) worth of accomm provided
3,000 flight (1 a year prob)
6,000 tuition (if primary aged kids...if you haven't got any then this is worth 0 to you)
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26,000 a month (without kids)
32,000 if you have kids.

If 52k sterling (without) or 64k (with) is a good annual salary for you then great.

IF at the moment you take home near to, as much as, or more than 3,000 sterling a month (once you've paid rent/mortgage) then you'll have to consider it not enough I think.

Depends what you want. If 3,000 after rent/mortgage paid in the UK is 1,000 a month more than you have left then it's probably worthwhile for the experience and the extra cash money.

What do you think of the offer?
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many thanks for the quick response.

At the moment I am making about 2600 sterling a month after stoppages; the mortgage and all the bills come out of this. My UK salary is just short of 47K per annum. This sound a lot but doesn't go very far.

My partner gets a much smaller salary - about 10K a year and most of this goes on petrol, kids activities etc. - We live in a very rural location.

We don't have much surplus cash at the end of the month once all the bills are paid.

I do an horrendous commute - 600 miles per week and this racks up the bills as diesel is very pricey and we run two cars.

I reckon we would save at least £6000 per year just on transport and kiddies costs.

Where I live we are on oil CH so I am paying about £2K per year on heating and about 1K per year on electricity. Factor in council tax, water, phones etc and this jumps up by another 7K.

So......

Mortgage - 11k
Bills - 13K

Comes to a potential saving of 24K per year if we move over to the UAE.
I will either rent or sell my house.

The schooling is paid for by ADEC and as I said, because I will be moving around in the job I will also get an allowance for this - probably enough to rent or buy a car.

I reckon that it would be worth my while.

What do others think of this?

All comments greatfully received.

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Originally Posted by Bahtatboy
When you say:

The perks seem good - 18000 AED per month plus accommodation, travelling allowance, tuition fees for 2 children at a good private school, furniture allowance, gratuity at the end of each year, medical, flights etc.

Do you mean that the accommodation allowance is AED18k+ pcm, or is the AED18k pcm your salary on top of which you get various perks (such as accommodation)? If the latter (which I imagine), that doesn't sound like a good salary for someone who, as you put it, is well experienced.
Thanks for the response.

I have looked into teaching salaries in the ME over the last few months and a teachers salary can be between 11 and 15K AED in a private school. Also, many schools will not sponsor families especially where they would have to cover the cost of school fees, flights etc.

I suppose if one looks at these costs paid out on top of the salary it doesn't look too bad. I know teaching is not one of the best paid occupations but we are used to that in the UK.

The attraction to this post is the experience working as a school advisor - good for the CV, the savings potential and not spending 6 days a week working/preparing as I am doing at the moement.

I think I am right in saying that the lifestyle is more relaxed than it is in the UK.

On top of that the UK government detests teachers and is busily eroding all the benefits built up over the last 20 years or so. Contracts of employment leave us with less rights, pensions have been slashed and money has been sucked out of the school system.

For these reasons alone I am giving serious consideration to moving out of dear old blighty.

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The lifestyle here may be more relaxed in some respects, but the working hours are generally longer for most people. Companies here do like their pound of flesh...
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I have no personal experience of ADEC, but having lived for many years in the Middle East and been back in the UK for the last few years, my advice is :

Go for it! This is a no brainer for you. On the figures you have outlined you will be better off plus have a better quality of life and give you a different perspective on the world.

Many people on this forum may not have lived in the UK for a long time and don't realise that it is FAR more expensive to live here than the middle east plus the atmosphere here in the UK/Europe is so dark because of the economic situation.
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Originally Posted by NKL
I have no personal experience of ADEC, but having lived for many years in the Middle East and been back in the UK for the last few years, my advice is :

Go for it! This is a no brainer for you. On the figures you have outlined you will be better off plus have a better quality of life and give you a different perspective on the world.

Many people on this forum may not have lived in the UK for a long time and don't realise that it is FAR more expensive to live here than the middle east plus the atmosphere here in the UK/Europe is so dark because of the economic situation.
Many thanks for your contribution - it does seem like a no brainer and I am just waiting for the catch!

I think the equivalent of £65K per annum is pretty good for most professions and from what I can gather the cost of living can be quite reasonable providing you don't go mad.

I have to agree that things here in the UK are pretty gloomy right now and I gather that we are yet to see the full scale of the austerity measures that lie in wait for us.

The grass does appear to be much greener in the UAE.

I have been told that I will probably end up in Al Ain in Abu Dhabi because it is more child friendly and a lot of families tend to get placed here.

It would be great if I could have some comments about life in Abu Dhabi and especially in Al Ain.

Cheers

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Abu Dhabi and Al Ain are very different. Abu Dhabi is much more lively - decent nightlife, plenty to do, beaches, etc. Al Ain is very UAE national oriented - it is the "home" of many of the big local AUH families who commute between AUH and Al Ain at the weekends. I haven't lived in Al Ain but there doesn't seem to be much to do there - just a few hotels, but they have put a lot of effort in to making it quite pretty - plenty of green, trees, etc.

AUH would be vastly preferred over Al Ain by most expats................
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Al Ain by comparison to Abu Dhabi is fairly quiet but there is still things to do. It is a more family orientated place and many people have commented over the years that there is in fact more of a community spirit in living here than in the bigger cities. It's good for young families (of those who've done both I've known many have preferred living here to being in the cities) although it may be a bit boring if you've got older kids. That said people still find plenty to do.
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Al Ain is very, very, very dull compared to AD or Dubai. There is not a lot to do(a small zoo, drive up jebel hafeet and possibly the white water rafting place if it has not shut down yet), and it gets very hot(and dry), much more than AD/Dubai in the summer.

You may also have trouble with the effort that locals kids want to put into their studies...but that is true in the whole UAE.

The greenery that was previously in the city is getting reduced, and not maintained to the same standard as before, as the municipality are not planning on spending the same money that was previously spent.

Note that the schooling for kids above 11-12 is not very good at the English school. I knew a few people that moved to Dubai to give their kids a decent education. Not sure what age your kids are, but I would give this consideration.
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For a teacher, it's a good package and you'll be fine.

The only concern is that many people been waiting since March 2012 for these advisory jobs to materialise so be warned. It may be a very long wait...and not necessarily a fruitful one.
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For a teacher, it's a good package and you'll be fine.

The only concern is that many people been waiting since March 2012 for these advisory jobs to materialise so be warned. It may be a very long wait...and not necessarily a fruitful one.
I know someone in one now.
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