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Old Jul 25th 2013, 8:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
Their military is not large compared to the US though.

The world's top 5 military spenders in 2012.
Figures sourced from the SIPRI Yearbook 2013. (From Wikipedia)
No it is not. Most of their money is currently spent on manpower and low tech military equipment.

The the number of men in a countries armed forces is not the key to winning battles but it a key to occupying a country. The US can probably win just about any battle but probably doesn't have enough troops to occupy a country. Following WWII, the US left more troops in Germany and Japan to occupy those countries than is in all branches in the military today.

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Old Jul 25th 2013, 9:31 pm
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Originally Posted by civilservant
No one's is compared to the US in spending.

However the Chinese could throw and lose a million conscripts a day into an attritional war and still be going long after the US has exhausted its manpower. Some would say that that is evened out by the US tech advantage, and to an extent it is, however planes and tech ultimately cannot be rebuilt, nor experienced soldiers replaced, very quickly. And so it becomes a numbers game.

In a numbers games there's only one winner.
That is not necessarily true. Saddam Hussain had large numbers of troops dug in on the Kuwait-Saudi border in early 1992, but American and British troops pushed through using ACE's and tank ploughs with close to zero losses. Later in the same war there was one of the most one-sided attacks ever seen as American and British aircraft utterly destroyed the retreating column of Iraqi vehicles on the road to Basra. Numbers were no match for Apaches, A10s, and Harriers.

Of course the roles would be reversed if China were to try to invade Siberia, but merely throwing more and more lightly armed infantry at a well armed and dug in opponent is only going to create an ever larger pile of bodies.

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Old Jul 25th 2013, 10:06 pm
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That is not necessarily true. Saddam Hussain had large numbers of troops dug in on the Kuwait-Saudi border in early 1992, but American and British troops pushed through using ACE's and tank ploughs with close to zero losses. Later in the same war there was one of the most one-sided attacks ever seen as American and British aircraft utterly destroyed the retreating column of Iraqi vehicles on the road to Basra. Numbers were no match for Apaches, A10s, and Harriers.

Of course the roles would be reversed if China were to try to invade Siberia, but merely throwing more and more lightly armed infantry at a well armed and dug in opponent is only going to create an ever larger pile of bodies.
Also the Iraqis had Russia tanks which are no match for Abrams tanks in firing distance, speed, and accuracy while moving. Although after the air strikes, there weren't many Iraqi tanks left. So even new tanks aren't much of a priority for the military because air power can knock out most of the opposing tanks.

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Also the Iraqis had Russia tanks which are no match for Abrams tanks in firing distance, speed, and accuracy while moving. ....
Indeed! The targeting systems in an Abrams tank in 1992 virtually guaranteed a direct hit on an Iraqi (Russian) tank at a distance greater than the maximum RANGE of the Iraqi tanks' guns!
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Old Jul 28th 2013, 12:08 pm
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Just to add to the stats on here, given that the USA (obviously) has the largest Air Force - which country has the 2nd largest ?
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Depends what you mean by 'Air Force'

If we're talking purely about strike aircraft, then it's China. If we're talking about 'things that can fly' then it's Russia. Both have around 1/3 of the strike aircraft of the US.

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