Would I need a passport or not?
Nov 6th 2002, 2:33 pm
#16
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Re: Might be a good idea
Originally posted by donahso
Last time I was there was a year ago. Didn't have too much trouble either way, but things are changing fast with no warning. Better to be safe than sorry, PEACHSTER. You're picking up some very important cargo!!!!
-Don H
Last time I was there was a year ago. Didn't have too much trouble either way, but things are changing fast with no warning. Better to be safe than sorry, PEACHSTER. You're picking up some very important cargo!!!!
-Don H
LMAO Don, I clouldnt help but laugh at your comment. heh Ooooo yeah very important cargo. LOL
Nov 6th 2002, 4:20 pm
#17
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Basically, yes. He is an engineer and during the layover for the plane change I believe at JFK he was taken into custody by the INS and questioned for terrorist involvement/knowledge. They would allow him to call the Canadian Consulate or make any phone call at all. The authorities did not notify the Canadian government that they had him in custody. The only way they found out is his wife was concerned because he didn't come home as expected and she finally called the Canadian government who "found" him. But accoding to law you are suppose to be sent to your originating destination or at the very least back to your own country. Since he was born a citizen of Syria, the INS deported him to Syria where he is still under arrest because although he was a citizen at birth he has not fulfilled his obligation of serving in their army.
The US government is not playing fair. Regardless of their "suspicions" they do not have the right to deny standard privileges to those they remand into custody. Canada is angry and they have every right to be, at least IMHO.
Rete
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Nov 6th 2002, 4:37 pm
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Re: Would I need a passport or not?
Rete wrote:
>
> Originally posted by Andy Platt
> >
> > That part's already in place and, what's more, it covers Canadian
> > citizens
> > too if they naturalized from those certain countries. In fact the
> > Canadian
> > government have put out a general travel advisory to it's
> > citizens about
> > travelling to the US because of this - they are rather pissed
> > at the US
> > government over this treatment of it's citizens as you can imagine.
> >
> > Andy.
> >
> > --
> > I'm not really here - it's just your warped imagination.
> >
>
> Yes, I read that in the papers recently and as a US Citizen, even I was
> horrified at the INS' treatment of the engineer who is a Canadian
> citizen and their abuse of his rights when he was only landing in the US
> for a connecting flight back to Canada. And then they turned around
> refused to allow him to call anyone and shipped him to Syria instead of
> the country he was coming from (Zurich) or to Canada.
If he got sent back to Syria, it took another country's assistance,
since there are no non stop flights from the US to Syria that I am aware
of.
>
> Originally posted by Andy Platt
> >
> > That part's already in place and, what's more, it covers Canadian
> > citizens
> > too if they naturalized from those certain countries. In fact the
> > Canadian
> > government have put out a general travel advisory to it's
> > citizens about
> > travelling to the US because of this - they are rather pissed
> > at the US
> > government over this treatment of it's citizens as you can imagine.
> >
> > Andy.
> >
> > --
> > I'm not really here - it's just your warped imagination.
> >
>
> Yes, I read that in the papers recently and as a US Citizen, even I was
> horrified at the INS' treatment of the engineer who is a Canadian
> citizen and their abuse of his rights when he was only landing in the US
> for a connecting flight back to Canada. And then they turned around
> refused to allow him to call anyone and shipped him to Syria instead of
> the country he was coming from (Zurich) or to Canada.
If he got sent back to Syria, it took another country's assistance,
since there are no non stop flights from the US to Syria that I am aware
of.
Nov 6th 2002, 11:26 pm
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Re: Would I need a passport or not?
"mrtravel" wrote:
> If he got sent back to Syria, it took another country's assistance,
> since there are no non stop flights from the US to Syria that I am aware
> of.
Perhaps but that doesn't excuse the US one iota. It was a totally disgusting
thing to do and I'm not surprised that Canada are totally pissed at their
Southern cousins.
Andy.
--
I'm not really here - it's just your warped imagination.
> If he got sent back to Syria, it took another country's assistance,
> since there are no non stop flights from the US to Syria that I am aware
> of.
Perhaps but that doesn't excuse the US one iota. It was a totally disgusting
thing to do and I'm not surprised that Canada are totally pissed at their
Southern cousins.
Andy.
--
I'm not really here - it's just your warped imagination.
Nov 7th 2002, 12:58 am
#20
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Re: Would I need a passport or not?
Originally posted by Mrtravel
If he got sent back to Syria, it took another country's assistance,
since there are no non stop flights from the US to Syria that I am aware
of.
If he got sent back to Syria, it took another country's assistance,
since there are no non stop flights from the US to Syria that I am aware
of.
Our government choose to ignore the law as THEY WROTE IT and do whatever they choose to do and has, in effect, caused the imprisonment of a person without due recourse.
Rete
Nov 8th 2002, 11:08 am
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Re: Would I need a passport or not?
Rete wrote:
>
> Originally posted by Mrtravel
> > If he got sent back to Syria, it took another country's assistance,
> > since there are no non stop flights from the US to Syria that I
> > am aware
> > of.
>
> Regardless the law says he was to either be returned to his country
> of citizenship (HE DID NOT HAVE A SYRIAN PASSPORT BUT ONLY A CANADIAN
> ONE) or to the originating country that his flight came from which
> was Zurich.
He may not have had an up to date Syrian passport, but there is no
disagreement in the fact that he is a Syrian citizen. The acquisition of
citizenship in a new country doesn't always absolve you of duties to the
old country. In this case, he skipped out on mandatory military service
in Syria.
What purpose would be served by deporting someone to their original
destination, especially if you suspected them of terrorism and that
destination was Canada? I don't necessarily agree with what happened,
but then I don't have all of the facts. As I recall, there are also some
law that, under some circumstances, permits the US to not deport someone
to a neighboring country.
>
> Originally posted by Mrtravel
> > If he got sent back to Syria, it took another country's assistance,
> > since there are no non stop flights from the US to Syria that I
> > am aware
> > of.
>
> Regardless the law says he was to either be returned to his country
> of citizenship (HE DID NOT HAVE A SYRIAN PASSPORT BUT ONLY A CANADIAN
> ONE) or to the originating country that his flight came from which
> was Zurich.
He may not have had an up to date Syrian passport, but there is no
disagreement in the fact that he is a Syrian citizen. The acquisition of
citizenship in a new country doesn't always absolve you of duties to the
old country. In this case, he skipped out on mandatory military service
in Syria.
What purpose would be served by deporting someone to their original
destination, especially if you suspected them of terrorism and that
destination was Canada? I don't necessarily agree with what happened,
but then I don't have all of the facts. As I recall, there are also some
law that, under some circumstances, permits the US to not deport someone
to a neighboring country.
