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Old Sep 26th 2003, 3:29 pm
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dhs wrote:

    > If and when my wife gets an interview ( stuck at the NVC for 6 months
    > now) she will have to fly 9.5 hours to get to Moscow for the interview.
    > Be thankful you have the interview and just enjoy the time
    > together......
    >

Where does she live that she has to fly 9 1/2 hours to Moscow?
 
Old Sep 27th 2003, 6:19 am
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Originally posted by Dan Miner-Nordstrom
It
seems unfair to the U.S. citizens who have a legal union with a
foreign spouse, and to their family, that they should have to undergo
significantly more inconvenience than a U.S. citizen and his so-called
fianc?.

Dan Nordstrom
Hey Dan,
don't you think that sometimes you should check your words and not to be abusive to others??? I am fiancee, but it doesn't mean that i am a scam!!! don't you think so??? I survive 8 months of process..... yes I cried, but I didn't tell offensive words on people who had a process in 2 months.... so please, be careful with your words.
Moreove, before starting the process of K3 visa you had to think of all conditions you would have during this, like travel, birth of a child. People sometimes can't wait and do things without good thought!

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I'm going to drive 7 hours (almost 400 miles) to be with Steven for his interview. I drive about 7 hours almost every month to visit him in Canada (but I have 2 kids that are WAY too old to breasfeed)
Time and distance will never keep us apart...love will conquer all!
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"Rete" <member@british_expats.com> wrote in message
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    > FWIW, in the country of Canada for a spousal visa a Canadian must travel
    > to Montreal, Quebec, Canada for the interview. It is the only US
    > Consulate in all of Canada to perform this service. So if you are on
    > the east coast (New Brunswick or Nova Scotia) or on the west coast
    > (British Colombia) you will have to fly into Montreal and the cost for
    > that flight would be over $500 if you are lucky enough to have a two
    > week advance notice of the interview date.
    > And yes, there are fully operational US Consulates in Vancouver and in
    > Halifax and Toronto.
    > Rete
    > Originally posted by Dan Miner-Nordstrom
    > > The following is an open letter that I have sent to the consulates in
    > > Kiev and Warsaw, as well as to my representatives in Congress. If you
    > > support me, please do the same - write your elected officials and the
    > > US consulates. I sent this letter on September 26, 2003.
    > >
    > > To Whom It May Concern:
    > >
    > > I'm writing with regard to U.S. consular policy that requires spousal
    > > immigrant applicants to travel from several former Soviet countries,
    > > such as Ukraine, to Warsaw, Poland, to conduct their visa interview.
    > >
    > > This policy negatively affects thousands of individuals from Belarus,
    > > Latvia, Lithuania, and Ukraine, who are legally married to U.S.
    > > citizens, and who are sometimes the mothers or fathers of small
    > > children.
    > >
    > > Spousal applicants (if they are applying from Ukraine) must travel
    > > over 420 miles, often by train, from Kiev to Warsaw. The journey
    > > takes nearly 24 hours, and the spouse is often subjected to a
    > > burdensome customs inspection at the border. From October 1st,
    > > Ukrainians will need visas to travel to Poland, adding to their
    > > difficulties.
    > >
    > > The cost of the trip is a further disadvantage for Ukrainians, who
    > > average per capita income is between $100 and $200 per month. While
    > > Poland is not expensive by Western standards, it can be a very
    > > expensive place for a Ukrainian - to eat, to stay at a hotel, and to
    > > pay for transportation.
    > >
    > > In 2002, there were 1,845 Ukrainians who were admitted as immigrants
    > > who were spouses of U.S. citizens. That is more spouses than were
    > > admitted from any other European country except for Germany, Poland,
    > > Russia, and the United Kingdom. Most of these spouses had to make the
    > > trip to Warsaw for their interview, which is technically the last step
    > > in their visa application.
    > >
    > > Overall, Ukraine had 21,217 people who immigrated to the United States
    > > in 2002, compared to only 12,746 from Poland.
    > >
    > > Consular officials at the U.S. Embassy in Kiev told me that Warsaw
    > > will continue to process all Ukrainian spousal visas until, at least,
    > > January 2005. The reason they gave was that the embassy in Kiev
    > > doesn't have the technical ability to process these types of
    > > applications. But the fact that there are so many people from Ukraine
    > > wanting immigrating to the U.S. should show that an expanded
    > > improvement in the embassy's provision of visa services is needed.
    > >
    > > In July of 2003, the U.S. Embassy in Kiev did start processing Fiance
    > > Visas (K1, K3, etc.). However, this bothers me for two reasons.
    > > First, that fianc?s of U.S. citizens should have better services and
    > > access to immigration help than spouses of U.S. citizens - who may be
    > > more likely to have children, work commitments, and other family
    > > obligations. Second, that there are more than twice as many people
    > > emigrating to the U.S. from Ukraine as spouses than as fianc?s. It
    > > seems unfair to the U.S. citizens who have a legal union with a
    > > foreign spouse, and to their family, that they should have to undergo
    > > significantly more inconvenience than a U.S. citizen and his so-called
    > > fianc?.
    > >
    > > In my case, my Ukrainian wife and I will have to travel to Warsaw with
    > > our 6-month-old baby. After the train trip, which we know from
    > > experience is difficult and tiring, we will have to spend the entire
    > > day waiting for our interview, only to return to Kiev in the late
    > > evening. Our daughter must stay with my wife at all times because she
    > > is breastfeeding, and we will try to minimize her exposure to the
    > > cold, and to infectious diseases, while trying to find the U.S.
    > > Embassy in an unfamiliar city where neither of us speak the local
    > > language.
    > >
    > > If there were any way for us to conduct our interview in Kiev, we
    > > would gladly jump at the chance. Ukraine has a fully operating
    > > Embassy, and it would seem to me that there should be some provision
    > > for exceptional cases like ours. If not, the least I can do is voice
    > > my concern over the current situation, and hope that it will change
    > > soon for all the other parents going down this path.
    > >
    > > Sincerely,
    > >
    > Dan Nordstrom
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Old Sep 27th 2003, 9:03 am
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"mrtravel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Dan Miner-Nordstrom wrote:
    > > The following is an open letter that I have sent to the consulates in
    > > Kiev and Warsaw, as well as to my representatives in Congress. If you
    > > support me, please do the same - write your elected officials and the
    > > US consulates. I sent this letter on September 26, 2003.
    > >
    > > To Whom It May Concern:
    > >
    > > I'm writing with regard to U.S. consular policy that requires spousal
    > > immigrant applicants to travel from several former Soviet countries,
    > > such as Ukraine, to Warsaw, Poland, to conduct their visa interview.
    > Fiance visas can be issue issue in Kiev, and I also believe this applies
    > to K-3.
    > >
    > > In July of 2003, the U.S. Embassy in Kiev did start processing Fiance
    > > Visas (K1, K3, etc.). However, this bothers me for two reasons.
    > > First, that fianc?s of U.S. citizens should have better services and
    > > access to immigration help than spouses of U.S. citizens – who may be
    > > more likely to have children, work commitments, and other family
    > > obligations. Second, that there are more than twice as many people
    > > emigrating to the U.S. from Ukraine as spouses than as fianc?s. It
    > > seems unfair to the U.S. citizens who have a legal union with a
    > > foreign spouse, and to their family, that they should have to undergo
    > > significantly more inconvenience than a U.S. citizen and his so-called
    > > fianc?.
    > Right, and they will resolve this by Jan 2005, a little more than a year
    > from now.
    > >
    > > In my case, my Ukrainian wife and I will have to travel to Warsaw with
    > > our 6-month-old baby.
    > Fly. It is not that much money for the SPOUSE of a US citizen.
    > Why you bring up the average wage of a Ukrainian is beyond me.
    > Is your wife taking her entire Ukrainian life savings to buy the ticket?
    > This distance isn't as bad as it is in other parts of the world.
    > Look at traveling from far Eastern Siberia to Moscow, for instance.
    > Come on, 410 miles???????????????? If they train from Kiev to Warsaw
    > is too much, how are they going to manage the plane trip?
    > We took a train from Moscow to St Pete, 8 hours, very cheap and no big
    > deal. It was an 8 hour trip, we slept most of it. We had a 4 person
    > sleeping room.
    > After the train trip, which we know from
    > > experience is difficult and tiring, we will have to spend the entire
    > > day waiting for our interview, only to return to Kiev in the late
    > > evening. Our daughter must stay with my wife at all times because she
    > > is breastfeeding, and we will try to minimize her exposure to the
    > > cold, and to infectious diseases, while trying to find the U.S.
    > > Embassy in an unfamiliar city where neither of us speak the local
    > > language.
    > Do you think she is more prone to disease in Warsaw than in Ukraine?
    > >
    > > If there were any way for us to conduct our interview in Kiev, we
    > > would gladly jump at the chance. Ukraine has a fully operating
    > > Embassy, and it would seem to me that there should be some provision
    > > for exceptional cases like ours. If not, the least I can do is voice
    > > my concern over the current situation, and hope that it will change
    > > soon for all the other parents going down this path.
    > The procedure is changing.. It takes time...
    > You case is NOT that exceptional.
 
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Dan,

I am sorry to hear about your hardship. You must be new here, I mean on this planet. I am wondering where you got the idea that anything was guaranteed to be fair OR right. Snap out of it, man. Be thankful for what you've got. Some of us who frequent this forum have been waiting for over a year for an APPOINTMENT for an interview. Life is short, don't waste too much of it whining about the rules. The appropriate attitude is, "tell me what the rules are and I'll play by them"; NOT, "tell me what the rules are so I can whine about them." Figure out what you CAN do something about and JUST DO IT. I'm sorry I had to be the one to break the bad news to you. Okay, now, chin up, forward march. Hup, Hup, Hup.....

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Originally posted by Dan Miner-Nordstrom
The following is an open letter that I have sent to the consulates in
Kiev and Warsaw, as well as to my representatives in Congress. If you
support me, please do the same - write your elected officials and the
US consulates. I sent this letter on September 26, 2003.

To Whom It May Concern:
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Originally posted by Mrtravel
dhs wrote:

    > If and when my wife gets an interview ( stuck at the NVC for 6 months
    > now) she will have to fly 9.5 hours to get to Moscow for the interview.
    > Be thankful you have the interview and just enjoy the time
    > together......
    >

Where does she live that she has to fly 9 1/2 hours to Moscow?
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Old Oct 2nd 2003, 12:33 pm
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In article <[email protected]>,
Rete <member@british_expats.com> wrote:
    >FWIW, in the country of Canada for a spousal visa a Canadian must travel
    >to Montreal, Quebec, Canada for the interview. It is the only US
    >Consulate in all of Canada to perform this service. So if you are on
    >the east coast (New Brunswick or Nova Scotia) or on the west coast
    >(British Colombia) you will have to fly into Montreal and the cost for
    >that flight would be over $500 if you are lucky enough to have a two
    >week advance notice of the interview date.
    >And yes, there are fully operational US Consulates in Vancouver and in
    >Halifax and Toronto.
    >Rete

When you say "spousal".. Does that apply to Fiance(e) too? I.e. if I'm
hoping for a K1, I'll have to visit Montreal once more?

Good thing I'm only 5-6 hours drive away..

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Old Oct 3rd 2003, 1:08 am
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Try the Trip from Vladivostok to Moscow. When there are "fully functional
consulates" in two places, Vladivostok and Ekaterinaburg, that are much
closer. Not to mention the travel difficulties encountered in Russia. For
2months last year many flights from eastern cities were canceled not because
of weather, but because Aeroflot couldn't pay the cost of personnel and
maintenance.

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    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Rete <member@british_expats.com> wrote:
    > >
    > >FWIW, in the country of Canada for a spousal visa a Canadian must travel
    > >to Montreal, Quebec, Canada for the interview. It is the only US
    > >Consulate in all of Canada to perform this service. So if you are on
    > >the east coast (New Brunswick or Nova Scotia) or on the west coast
    > >(British Colombia) you will have to fly into Montreal and the cost for
    > >that flight would be over $500 if you are lucky enough to have a two
    > >week advance notice of the interview date.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >And yes, there are fully operational US Consulates in Vancouver and in
    > >Halifax and Toronto.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >Rete
    > When you say "spousal".. Does that apply to Fiance(e) too? I.e. if I'm
    > hoping for a K1, I'll have to visit Montreal once more?
    > Good thing I'm only 5-6 hours drive away..
    > Mattias
 
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Spousal is not fiancee. Fiancee visas in Canada are processed in only one of two US Consulates .... Montreal and/or Vancouver.

Students F-1's, H-1B visaholders/seekers/renewers (work visas) and tourists, etc. can use most of all the other US Consulates in Canada for their visas. TN-1s for Canadians are applied for and approved at the POE.

Only those Canadians who have the misfortune of being in love with a USC are penalized for their emotional indiscretions.

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Originally posted by Mattias Hembruch
In article <[email protected]>,
When you say "spousal".. Does that apply to Fiance(e) too? I.e. if I'm
hoping for a K1, I'll have to visit Montreal once more?

Good thing I'm only 5-6 hours drive away..

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Rete,

Please clarify - did you mean to say 'in either one of two' ?

If you really did mean "in only one of two", which one is it? Montreal or Vancouver?

Thanks.

Originally posted by Rete
.... Fiancee visas in Canada are processed in only one of two US Consulates .... Montreal and/or Vancouver.

....

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Originally posted by jeffreyhy
Rete,

Please clarify - did you mean to say 'in either one of two' ?

If you really did mean "in only one of two", which one is it? Montreal or Vancouver?

Thanks.

Correcting my poor New Yorkese ;-) Sounds perfect to my eye

Yes, both the US Consualte in Montreal and the US Consulate in Vancouver will process K-1 visas.

BTW, the K-3 is not considered a spousal visa and can be processed in either of those two US Consulates as well.

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