Delanet

Hello,
I started the process back a while back and now I want to know if I can add
some or all of the fees I have paid to my income tax return.

After all I was required to pay, etc... I feel it's logical there hould be
some reward.

thanks in advance,
BillReese

Andy Platt

No it's not deductible. As to the logic question, well that's a debateable
point. Most services aren't deductible (for us taxpayers, businesses
obviously have a larger number of things they can deduct) so out of all of
those, why would immigration benefits be taxable? In any case, the way that
these things go is that the price has the tax deduction built in (e.g. house
prices are higher in the US than Canada because you get to deduct mortgage
interest which means you can afford more house which means prices are
higher). So, if you could deduct the fees, you'ld probably just find the
fees would be 28% higher!

Andy.

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I'm not really here - it's just your warped imagination.
"Delanet" wrote in message
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    > Hello,
    > I started the process back a while back and now I want to know if I can
add
    > some or all of the fees I have paid to my income tax return.
    > After all I was required to pay, etc... I feel it's logical there hould
be
    > some reward.
    > thanks in advance,
    > BillReese

abba48uk

No taxation without representation! lol....maybe we aliens should tipping tea into Boston harbour.

Billreese

Hey Moron,
I live here, have my whole life. You some kind of Redneck, Commie or
something ??? My wife has no income, why would she need a deduction ???
THINK !!! Why would she want a deduction ???? This question is for
me, as a resident... I paid all the money anyway, before she came, and
after we came, but that does not matter as we are a family, with one
income.... I PAID many years of taxes, my vote is as valuable as your's
is... (which amounts to about nothing !!!)...

So you think I should have to pay double-taxation... I pay the INS's
sallary already by my taxes... This would be a classic example of double
taxation if I need to pay twice, and can not deduct it.....

So what is all this talk about an alien, don't see your logic.. maybe you
have fuzzy logic ????

I guess I am allowed tax deductions for other leagal fees... My lawyer had
written me a tax recipt previously... I got that refund on his recipt for
$3,000+.. Maybe you just need a good lawyer to get you justice... Ya
know, I guess you are saying I can not get a deduction for this type of
leagal proceding. I am just writing here trying to see if there is any
angle, obviously you don't have any specific input, like the other Jack
Benny...

l8r dude,
BR


BR
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Folinskyinla

Hi:

I'm an immigration lawyer and not a tax lawyer. I can't give a defintie answer. My understanding is that, per se, the fees are NOT deductible. However, if they are business related in some aspect, they then become deductible. So if I am retained to do an employment based visa and the employer pays, they can deduct my fees as a business expense.

I would have trouble imagining marriage immigration fees being deductible, but then I'm a person of no imgaination. ;-)

donahso

What kind of tax return and before or after audit?

Billreese

Thank you, I just wanted to know if there were any angles. By your last
comment regarding "imagination" you obviously are someone who realizes the
world is not black and white, and that sometimes there are ways when dealing
with the IRS.

I recieved a nice tax deduction on my divorce fees for around $3,000,
because my lawyer claimed that specific portion of his fees were Tax
implication advice (a tax consulting fee) of the divorce settlement. I
could not deduct the whole Attorney fee, but he arranged it so I got most of
his fees to deduct from my taxes.

I find satisfaction in your answer, that you are probably a wise source to
count on your best hunch....

Thanks very much for your reply,

BillReese.


    > I'm an immigration lawyer and not a tax lawyer. I can't give a defintie
    > answer. My understanding is that, per se, the fees are NOT deductible.
    > However, if they are business related in some aspect, they then become
    > deductible. So if I am retained to do an employment based visa and the
    > employer pays, they can deduct my fees as a business expense.
    > I would have trouble imagining marriage immigration fees being
    > deductible, but then I'm a person of no imgaination. ;-)
    > --
    > Certified Specialist
    > Immigration & Nat. Law
    > Cal. Bar Board of Legal Specialization
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FlightRisk

What about "moving expenses"? Especially if this was involved with a spouse our fiancee moving oversees and part of the expense was the incredibly expensive filing fees, I might think it's worth a try. If they don't audit you in 3 years, it's allowed. The worst they could do is disallow it in an audit.

FR

bobzy

You can deduct moving expenses if you moved to leave one job to take another. These would inlcude only expenses that are *directly* related to moving -- a U-Haul rental, for example. If an alien spouse moves from another country to the US on a K visa, it is hard to imagine a situation in which s/he would have a US job offer before quitting the old job and concurrently would have the ability to work and be paid (green card) in the US prior to quitting the old job.

As for what is disallowed in an audit, I think that there is a difference between simple mistakes and deliberate fraud. The simple mistakes merely cost you a "penalty" that is measured in dollars (which is much more than just the unpaid tax that you owe). Deliberate misrepresentation could be a little more exciting and time-consuming than a mere penalty of a few hundred dollars.

bobzy

There is a "loophole" in immigration law that allows abused spouses to leave a threatening environment and to get permanent residency without the permission of or even the knowledge of an abusive USC spouse. Billreese, I pray that your wife is aware of it.

Billreese

hey boobsy,
you make me laugh.. you are like the first person, who ASSumed I was an
alien, and did not pay taxes (DUH !!!) ... I have not had one fight
since day 1... life is a joy, life is love.. but some snobs online need
someone to put down to elevate their egos... not me.... if you need to
speak down to me to feed your desire for self-worth.. have a blast... but I
assure you that abusive is not possible in my home.. I am neither a redneck
or a commie... hahahahhha !!! go eat-crow-shit dude !!! you asked for
it...




"bobzy" wrote in message
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    > Originally posted by Billreese
    > Hey Moron, I live here, have my whole life. My wife has no
    > income, why would she need a deduction ??? THINK !!! This
    > question is for me, as a resident... I paid all the money anyway,
    > before she came, I PAID many years of taxes, my vote is as
    > valuable as your's is... (which amounts to about nothing !!!)
    > There is a "loophole" in immigration law that allows
    > abused spouses to leave a threatening environment and to get permanent
    > residency without the permission of or even the knowledge of an abusive
    > USC spouse. Billreese, I pray that your wife is aware of it.
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Billreese

    > As for what is disallowed in an audit, I think that there is a
    > difference between simple mistakes and deliberate fraud. The simple
    > mistakes merely cost you a "penalty" that is measured in dollars (which
    > is much more than just the unpaid tax that you owe). Deliberate
    > misrepresentation could be a little more exciting and time-consuming
    > than a mere penalty of a few hundred dollars.


what planet were you born on.. I never heard of anyone who had just made a
mistake on a tax form who had to pay a penalty... Maybe if you made the
mistake of not filing on time.... Or if you way underpay... NOW, they
will cause you a penalty, but I've paid taxes for many years, and work with
a lot of people in a large company... I NEVER heard of any of my
coworkers pay a penalty for a mistake that was made on their tax forms..
Heck, most everyone makes them every 2 or 3 years they make some clerical
error... I've heard many who were disallowed deductions, but I've not
heard of NOT ONE person who paid any penalty for a common mistake..... Are
you a Tax Accountant? (the tone in your post suggest you are trying to act
like one)

Fraud is a felony, on taxes or anywhere in the USA... It's very hard to
prove a clerical mistake is a fraud, unless there is a pattern of mistakes,
a clear motive, or some "Boobsy" type of a whistleBLOWER creep to RAT you
out ....

I hope you don't ask for money for your advice !!!

If you pay taxes, you ARE entitled to stretch the tax rules as far as you
are able.. It's AMERICAN to do that.. You should try to do that, UNLESS
you just enjoy giving the governemnt extra donations... Anything you are
entitled to... you should try to get back from the IRS..... EVERYONE who
is anyone knows you are supposed to work hard to keep every penny you can
away from the IRS, that is why most people don't file until the last day
possible... Heck the IRS publishes how many people wait until the end, it's
the majority of people who file like that...

katesuiter1

I have to ask............why so hostile?
So what if someone has opinion you don't like? That's no excuse to hurl insults at people on an otherwise peaceful board. And before anyone says it, no, I shan't be reading any more of this person's posts.
Kate. xxxxx

bobzy

Actually, no, I assumed that your wife is an alien who might want to seek some outside advice regarding a USC husband who appears to have an abusive attitude toward her. Your written remarks on this board -- including your paranoia that caused you to draw the wrong conclusion -- would be the sort of thing that she could take to a psychologist or the police to begin a document trail in her case to forever take you out of the loop.

You, Billreese, made statements of superiority that seem to rate your wife as subservient to and beholden to you because you have been a taxpaying USC and she has not. You appear to be paranoid in making incorrect conclusions about what other people say. The nasty temper that you exhibit suggests not only emotional abuse, but a propensity toward physical abuse as well.

Someone who holds the threat of deportation against another individual has an unusual, extraordinary amount of power, and this threat can and often is used to make an alien spouse complient and quiet to disgusting or even violent and criminal behavior. Because of the unusual uni-directional power that an abuser has over an alien spouse, Congress passed a law that removes the fear of deportation if a case can be made that the USC spouse is abusive.

See Part 2.e. of the I-751, and note that when your alien spouse documents a case for checking this box, she doesn't need you any more. For all you know, she might already have done it -- and the INS isn't going to tell you.

Ronald Austin

His post accomplished one positive - I learned how to block messages! ;-)


"katesuiter1" wrote in message
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    > Originally posted by Billreese
    > > hey boobsy,
    > > you make me laugh.. you are like the first person, who ASSumed
    > > I was an
    > > alien, and did not pay taxes (DUH !!!) ... I have not had
    > > one fight
    > > since day 1... life is a joy, life is love.. but some snobs
    > > online need
    > > someone to put down to elevate their egos... not me.... if
    > > you need to
    > > speak down to me to feed your desire for self-worth.. have a
    > > blast... but I
    > > assure you that abusive is not possible in my home.. I am neither
    > > a redneck
    > > or a commie... hahahahhha !!! go eat-crow-shit dude !!! you
    > > asked for
    > > it...
    > >
    > >
    > I have to ask............why so hostile?
    > So what if someone has opinion you don't like? That's no excuse to hurl
    > insults at people on an otherwise peaceful board. And before anyone says
    > it, no, I shan't be reading any more of this person's posts.
    > Kate. xxxxx
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