SSN for your sweetie before EAD
Oct 28th 2003, 4:11 pm
#1
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Re: SSN for your sweetie before EAD
Danny Davis wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I discovered today that you can still get a SSN for your foreign spouse
> and/or step-child before EAD. If you have a valid reason for needing one,
> i.e. filing Income Tax returns, getting health insurance, enrolling in
> public school, etc.
Great, now try to convince SS to give you one. Many people have reported
being told by SSA that they couldn't get a number without EAD.
Additionally, what do you mean "valid reason"? The reasons you listed do
not "require" a social security number. In fact, you can be in the US
illegally and still attend public school.
> Hello,
>
> I discovered today that you can still get a SSN for your foreign spouse
> and/or step-child before EAD. If you have a valid reason for needing one,
> i.e. filing Income Tax returns, getting health insurance, enrolling in
> public school, etc.
Great, now try to convince SS to give you one. Many people have reported
being told by SSA that they couldn't get a number without EAD.
Additionally, what do you mean "valid reason"? The reasons you listed do
not "require" a social security number. In fact, you can be in the US
illegally and still attend public school.
Oct 28th 2003, 11:09 pm
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Re: SSN for your sweetie before EAD
Danny Davis wrote:
> Hello,
> I discovered today that you can still get a SSN for your foreign spouse
> and/or step-child before EAD. If you have a valid reason for needing one,
> i.e. filing Income Tax returns, getting health insurance, enrolling in
> public school, etc. Then you can file for a Non-work authorized SSN and it
> will remain the same after EAD.You just have to go in and present your EAD
> after you get it and change the status of the card. They will send you a new
> one to have the restriction removed.
> I don't know if anyone else has had this experience but the SSA and BCIS
> both informed me that you had to have EAD before receiving a SSN. I just
> discovered that this is not the case. Read the application instructions,
> especially page 3. (he says while feeling like a dumb ass for not doing so
> earlier because he took the word of government employees.)
> I called and verified this today and I just want to pass it on to those of
> you who might need it.
> Thanks
> Danny Davis
Hi All,
I think you better read:
RM 00203.510 Alien without Work Authorization - Nonwork Need for an SSN
http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203510
C. POLICY - INVALID NONWORK REASONS
1. Federal and State Income Tax Purposes
2. Banking/Monetary Purposes
3. State Driver’s License or Identity Card
4. Other State Issued Licenses/Certificates
5. Savings Bonds
6. Student Loan
7. School Lunch Program
8. HUD Housing
9. School Purposes
RM 00203.500 Employment Authorization for Nonimmigrants
http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203500
RM 00203.001 Evidence Required for an SSN Card
http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203001
Take care,
Mike
> Hello,
> I discovered today that you can still get a SSN for your foreign spouse
> and/or step-child before EAD. If you have a valid reason for needing one,
> i.e. filing Income Tax returns, getting health insurance, enrolling in
> public school, etc. Then you can file for a Non-work authorized SSN and it
> will remain the same after EAD.You just have to go in and present your EAD
> after you get it and change the status of the card. They will send you a new
> one to have the restriction removed.
> I don't know if anyone else has had this experience but the SSA and BCIS
> both informed me that you had to have EAD before receiving a SSN. I just
> discovered that this is not the case. Read the application instructions,
> especially page 3. (he says while feeling like a dumb ass for not doing so
> earlier because he took the word of government employees.)
> I called and verified this today and I just want to pass it on to those of
> you who might need it.
> Thanks
> Danny Davis
Hi All,
I think you better read:
RM 00203.510 Alien without Work Authorization - Nonwork Need for an SSN
http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203510
C. POLICY - INVALID NONWORK REASONS
1. Federal and State Income Tax Purposes
2. Banking/Monetary Purposes
3. State Driver’s License or Identity Card
4. Other State Issued Licenses/Certificates
5. Savings Bonds
6. Student Loan
7. School Lunch Program
8. HUD Housing
9. School Purposes
RM 00203.500 Employment Authorization for Nonimmigrants
http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203500
RM 00203.001 Evidence Required for an SSN Card
http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203001
Take care,
Mike
Oct 28th 2003, 11:16 pm
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Re: SSN for your sweetie before EAD
Danny Davis wrote:
> PS. You can't file for ITIN unless you are not eligible for a SSN. READ the
> instructions for both the SSN application and the IRS W-7 form.
> I had also been told you couldn't get one without an EAD but the IDIOTS at
> SSA don't read there own damn forms. Never, I repeat, Never take the word of
> a government employee. Read it yourself.
As a member of the American Association of Government Idiots unless you are
eligible for Social Security, Medicare or some Federal or State public
assistance program you ain't getting an SSN or card within a work authorization
document. LOL
> PS. You can't file for ITIN unless you are not eligible for a SSN. READ the
> instructions for both the SSN application and the IRS W-7 form.
> I had also been told you couldn't get one without an EAD but the IDIOTS at
> SSA don't read there own damn forms. Never, I repeat, Never take the word of
> a government employee. Read it yourself.
As a member of the American Association of Government Idiots unless you are
eligible for Social Security, Medicare or some Federal or State public
assistance program you ain't getting an SSN or card within a work authorization
document. LOL
Oct 29th 2003, 3:54 am
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Re: SSN for your sweetie before EAD
Danny Davis wrote:
> BUT YOU CAN'T BE CLAIMED ON AN INCOME TAX FORM AS A DEPENDANT.
Yes, you can... You can be claimed as a dependent with an ITIN.
And in some
> states you cannot attend public school without SSN or ITIN.
My point... You don't need an SSN, you can use an ITIN.
> AND Nobody will insure without a SSN.
Nonsense. Check again. This argument comes up frequently.
I checked this 9 ways from Sunday and
> you can get the SSN before EAD if it is needed for official government
> function such as Tax Returns, State Beer License (spouse has to be listed
> and has to have SSN), Public School Insurance cannot be issued without it in
> Texas. There are more but that is enough reasons to get one authorized that
> says one the front of the SS card (Not Valid For Work)
You do NOT need a SSN for insurance.
Even in Texas... Been there, done that.
> BUT YOU CAN'T BE CLAIMED ON AN INCOME TAX FORM AS A DEPENDANT.
Yes, you can... You can be claimed as a dependent with an ITIN.
And in some
> states you cannot attend public school without SSN or ITIN.
My point... You don't need an SSN, you can use an ITIN.
> AND Nobody will insure without a SSN.
Nonsense. Check again. This argument comes up frequently.
I checked this 9 ways from Sunday and
> you can get the SSN before EAD if it is needed for official government
> function such as Tax Returns, State Beer License (spouse has to be listed
> and has to have SSN), Public School Insurance cannot be issued without it in
> Texas. There are more but that is enough reasons to get one authorized that
> says one the front of the SS card (Not Valid For Work)
You do NOT need a SSN for insurance.
Even in Texas... Been there, done that.
Oct 29th 2003, 3:56 am
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Re: SSN for your sweetie before EAD
Danny Davis wrote:
> PS. You can't file for ITIN unless you are not eligible for a SSN. READ the
> instructions for both the SSN application and the IRS W-7 form.
Correct.... If they were entitled to an SSN, SS would be giving them
one. If SSA is not giving them one, then they are probably not entitled
to one.
>
> I had also been told you couldn't get one without an EAD but the IDIOTS at
> SSA don't read there own damn forms. Never, I repeat, Never take the word of
> a government employee. Read it yourself.
It might be fine to "read it yourself", but that isn't going to get you
a number.
> PS. You can't file for ITIN unless you are not eligible for a SSN. READ the
> instructions for both the SSN application and the IRS W-7 form.
Correct.... If they were entitled to an SSN, SS would be giving them
one. If SSA is not giving them one, then they are probably not entitled
to one.
>
> I had also been told you couldn't get one without an EAD but the IDIOTS at
> SSA don't read there own damn forms. Never, I repeat, Never take the word of
> a government employee. Read it yourself.
It might be fine to "read it yourself", but that isn't going to get you
a number.
Oct 29th 2003, 3:58 am
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Re: SSN for your sweetie before EAD
Danny Davis wrote:
> OK Now What. Thanks for the info. I talked to two dozen Govt Idiots about
> this and you should be their supervisor because none knew about this
> provision. Second mistake I made---Reading using ordinary common sense. I
> should have known better. Well back to the checkbook and the BCIS.
>
> What about the state medical insurance for kids? That is a benefit I could
> get for my step-son and it requires a SSN. I asked about this before with
> State officials and they said he would be eligible if he had a SSN. That
> doesn't mean it is correct of course that is just what I was told.
What do you mean by "state medical insurance"?
Are you referring to a state subsidized health care program?
> OK Now What. Thanks for the info. I talked to two dozen Govt Idiots about
> this and you should be their supervisor because none knew about this
> provision. Second mistake I made---Reading using ordinary common sense. I
> should have known better. Well back to the checkbook and the BCIS.
>
> What about the state medical insurance for kids? That is a benefit I could
> get for my step-son and it requires a SSN. I asked about this before with
> State officials and they said he would be eligible if he had a SSN. That
> doesn't mean it is correct of course that is just what I was told.
What do you mean by "state medical insurance"?
Are you referring to a state subsidized health care program?
Oct 29th 2003, 4:09 am
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Re: SSN for your sweetie before EAD
Interesting. Unless things have changed since I applied for SSN for
myself and then 11 1/2 year old son back in July 2002, we simply
presented our passports, birth certificates and my marriage
certificate (reflecting new married name) and purpose was for tax
purposes. No questions asked, the cards arrived for both of us 6
weeks later. I did not have an EAD at the time.
myself and then 11 1/2 year old son back in July 2002, we simply
presented our passports, birth certificates and my marriage
certificate (reflecting new married name) and purpose was for tax
purposes. No questions asked, the cards arrived for both of us 6
weeks later. I did not have an EAD at the time.
Oct 29th 2003, 5:45 am
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Re: SSN for your sweetie before EAD
"Danny Davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<gUPnb.13068$d87.6793@okepread05>...
> OK Now What. Thanks for the info. I talked to two dozen Govt Idiots about
> this and you should be their supervisor because none knew about this
> provision. Second mistake I made---Reading using ordinary common sense. I
> should have known better. Well back to the checkbook and the BCIS.
>
> What about the state medical insurance for kids? That is a benefit I could
> get for my step-son and it requires a SSN. I asked about this before with
> State officials and they said he would be eligible if he had a SSN. That
> doesn't mean it is correct of course that is just what I was told.
>
> Blind pig finds an acorn and it is rotten. Damn I get tired of Catch 22.
>
> Well Thanks again really.
>
> Danny Davis
Hi All,
Sorry, too much pressure to be the head idiot. Rather just be one of
the worker idiots. LOL
If you can get the state to provide the required documention and the
SSA office determines that it's a valid nonwork reason, your child can
be assigned a nonwork authorized SSN. Otherwise get them to issue the
SSA-L676 and apply for the ITIN.
http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203510
RM 00203.510 Alien without Work Authorization - Nonwork Need for an
SSN
A. POLICY - EVIDENCE REQUIREMENTS FOR OBTAINING AN SSN FOR NONWORK
PURPOSES
2. Documentation
a. To obtain an SSA for a nonwork purpose, the alien must provide:
-- Evidence of age, identity and current alien status; and
-- Documentation from the appropriate government entity explaining the
need for the SSN.
b. The only acceptable documentation of a valid nonwork reason is a
letter from the government entity. The letter cannot be a generic
application, form letter or a photocopy and must be dated and on
letterhead stationery. It must specifically identify the alien, the
nonwork reason for which an SSN is required, the relevant statute or
regulations requiring the SSN as a condition to receive the benefit or
service, and the name and telephone number of an official to contact
so that the information provided may be verified. It should state that
the alien meets all the requirements to receive the benefit/service
except for an SSN.
c. Verify questionable documentation directly with the issuing agency
to determine if the alien has met all requirements for the benefit
other than providing an SSN.
If you have any questions regarding whether the statute or regulation
that the alien is relying upon meets the requirements, check with the
Regional Office.
B. POLICY - VALID REASONS TO ASSIGN AN SSN FOR NONWORK PURPOSES
2. State/Local Benefits
In some instances, a State or local government may require an SSN for
an individual to receive benefits from a State public assistance
program (i.e. a fully or partially State-funded program [benefit or
service] based on need). Refer to RM 00203.510A.2.
If you have any questions regarding whether the statute or regulation
that the alien is relying upon meets the requirements, check with the
Regional Office.
Take care,
Mike
> OK Now What. Thanks for the info. I talked to two dozen Govt Idiots about
> this and you should be their supervisor because none knew about this
> provision. Second mistake I made---Reading using ordinary common sense. I
> should have known better. Well back to the checkbook and the BCIS.
>
> What about the state medical insurance for kids? That is a benefit I could
> get for my step-son and it requires a SSN. I asked about this before with
> State officials and they said he would be eligible if he had a SSN. That
> doesn't mean it is correct of course that is just what I was told.
>
> Blind pig finds an acorn and it is rotten. Damn I get tired of Catch 22.
>
> Well Thanks again really.
>
> Danny Davis
Hi All,
Sorry, too much pressure to be the head idiot. Rather just be one of
the worker idiots. LOL
If you can get the state to provide the required documention and the
SSA office determines that it's a valid nonwork reason, your child can
be assigned a nonwork authorized SSN. Otherwise get them to issue the
SSA-L676 and apply for the ITIN.
http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203510
RM 00203.510 Alien without Work Authorization - Nonwork Need for an
SSN
A. POLICY - EVIDENCE REQUIREMENTS FOR OBTAINING AN SSN FOR NONWORK
PURPOSES
2. Documentation
a. To obtain an SSA for a nonwork purpose, the alien must provide:
-- Evidence of age, identity and current alien status; and
-- Documentation from the appropriate government entity explaining the
need for the SSN.
b. The only acceptable documentation of a valid nonwork reason is a
letter from the government entity. The letter cannot be a generic
application, form letter or a photocopy and must be dated and on
letterhead stationery. It must specifically identify the alien, the
nonwork reason for which an SSN is required, the relevant statute or
regulations requiring the SSN as a condition to receive the benefit or
service, and the name and telephone number of an official to contact
so that the information provided may be verified. It should state that
the alien meets all the requirements to receive the benefit/service
except for an SSN.
c. Verify questionable documentation directly with the issuing agency
to determine if the alien has met all requirements for the benefit
other than providing an SSN.
If you have any questions regarding whether the statute or regulation
that the alien is relying upon meets the requirements, check with the
Regional Office.
B. POLICY - VALID REASONS TO ASSIGN AN SSN FOR NONWORK PURPOSES
2. State/Local Benefits
In some instances, a State or local government may require an SSN for
an individual to receive benefits from a State public assistance
program (i.e. a fully or partially State-funded program [benefit or
service] based on need). Refer to RM 00203.510A.2.
If you have any questions regarding whether the statute or regulation
that the alien is relying upon meets the requirements, check with the
Regional Office.
Take care,
Mike
Oct 29th 2003, 3:54 pm
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SSN for your sweetie before EAD
Hello,
I discovered today that you can still get a SSN for your foreign spouse
and/or step-child before EAD. If you have a valid reason for needing one,
i.e. filing Income Tax returns, getting health insurance, enrolling in
public school, etc. Then you can file for a Non-work authorized SSN and it
will remain the same after EAD.You just have to go in and present your EAD
after you get it and change the status of the card. They will send you a new
one to have the restriction removed.
I don't know if anyone else has had this experience but the SSA and BCIS
both informed me that you had to have EAD before receiving a SSN. I just
discovered that this is not the case. Read the application instructions,
especially page 3. (he says while feeling like a dumb ass for not doing so
earlier because he took the word of government employees.)
I called and verified this today and I just want to pass it on to those of
you who might need it.
Thanks
Danny Davis
I discovered today that you can still get a SSN for your foreign spouse
and/or step-child before EAD. If you have a valid reason for needing one,
i.e. filing Income Tax returns, getting health insurance, enrolling in
public school, etc. Then you can file for a Non-work authorized SSN and it
will remain the same after EAD.You just have to go in and present your EAD
after you get it and change the status of the card. They will send you a new
one to have the restriction removed.
I don't know if anyone else has had this experience but the SSA and BCIS
both informed me that you had to have EAD before receiving a SSN. I just
discovered that this is not the case. Read the application instructions,
especially page 3. (he says while feeling like a dumb ass for not doing so
earlier because he took the word of government employees.)
I called and verified this today and I just want to pass it on to those of
you who might need it.
Thanks
Danny Davis
Oct 29th 2003, 5:09 pm
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Re: SSN for your sweetie before EAD
BUT YOU CAN'T BE CLAIMED ON AN INCOME TAX FORM AS A DEPENDANT. And in some
states you cannot attend public school without SSN or ITIN.
AND Nobody will insure without a SSN. I checked this 9 ways from Sunday and
you can get the SSN before EAD if it is needed for official government
function such as Tax Returns, State Beer License (spouse has to be listed
and has to have SSN), Public School Insurance cannot be issued without it in
Texas. There are more but that is enough reasons to get one authorized that
says one the front of the SS card (Not Valid For Work)
Danny Davis
"mrtravel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Danny Davis wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I discovered today that you can still get a SSN for your foreign spouse
> > and/or step-child before EAD. If you have a valid reason for needing
one,
> > i.e. filing Income Tax returns, getting health insurance, enrolling in
> > public school, etc.
> Great, now try to convince SS to give you one. Many people have reported
> being told by SSA that they couldn't get a number without EAD.
> Additionally, what do you mean "valid reason"? The reasons you listed do
> not "require" a social security number. In fact, you can be in the US
> illegally and still attend public school.
states you cannot attend public school without SSN or ITIN.
AND Nobody will insure without a SSN. I checked this 9 ways from Sunday and
you can get the SSN before EAD if it is needed for official government
function such as Tax Returns, State Beer License (spouse has to be listed
and has to have SSN), Public School Insurance cannot be issued without it in
Texas. There are more but that is enough reasons to get one authorized that
says one the front of the SS card (Not Valid For Work)
Danny Davis
"mrtravel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Danny Davis wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I discovered today that you can still get a SSN for your foreign spouse
> > and/or step-child before EAD. If you have a valid reason for needing
one,
> > i.e. filing Income Tax returns, getting health insurance, enrolling in
> > public school, etc.
> Great, now try to convince SS to give you one. Many people have reported
> being told by SSA that they couldn't get a number without EAD.
> Additionally, what do you mean "valid reason"? The reasons you listed do
> not "require" a social security number. In fact, you can be in the US
> illegally and still attend public school.
Oct 29th 2003, 5:17 pm
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Re: SSN for your sweetie before EAD
PS. You can't file for ITIN unless you are not eligible for a SSN. READ the
instructions for both the SSN application and the IRS W-7 form.
I had also been told you couldn't get one without an EAD but the IDIOTS at
SSA don't read there own damn forms. Never, I repeat, Never take the word of
a government employee. Read it yourself.
Danny Davis
"mrtravel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Danny Davis wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I discovered today that you can still get a SSN for your foreign spouse
> > and/or step-child before EAD. If you have a valid reason for needing
one,
> > i.e. filing Income Tax returns, getting health insurance, enrolling in
> > public school, etc.
> Great, now try to convince SS to give you one. Many people have reported
> being told by SSA that they couldn't get a number without EAD.
> Additionally, what do you mean "valid reason"? The reasons you listed do
> not "require" a social security number. In fact, you can be in the US
> illegally and still attend public school.
instructions for both the SSN application and the IRS W-7 form.
I had also been told you couldn't get one without an EAD but the IDIOTS at
SSA don't read there own damn forms. Never, I repeat, Never take the word of
a government employee. Read it yourself.
Danny Davis
"mrtravel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Danny Davis wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I discovered today that you can still get a SSN for your foreign spouse
> > and/or step-child before EAD. If you have a valid reason for needing
one,
> > i.e. filing Income Tax returns, getting health insurance, enrolling in
> > public school, etc.
> Great, now try to convince SS to give you one. Many people have reported
> being told by SSA that they couldn't get a number without EAD.
> Additionally, what do you mean "valid reason"? The reasons you listed do
> not "require" a social security number. In fact, you can be in the US
> illegally and still attend public school.
Oct 30th 2003, 1:08 am
#12
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Re: SSN for your sweetie before EAD
OK Now What. Thanks for the info. I talked to two dozen Govt Idiots about
this and you should be their supervisor because none knew about this
provision. Second mistake I made---Reading using ordinary common sense. I
should have known better. Well back to the checkbook and the BCIS.
What about the state medical insurance for kids? That is a benefit I could
get for my step-son and it requires a SSN. I asked about this before with
State officials and they said he would be eligible if he had a SSN. That
doesn't mean it is correct of course that is just what I was told.
Blind pig finds an acorn and it is rotten. Damn I get tired of Catch 22.
Well Thanks again really.
Danny Davis
"Michael D. Young" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Danny Davis wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I discovered today that you can still get a SSN for your foreign spouse
> > and/or step-child before EAD. If you have a valid reason for needing
one,
> > i.e. filing Income Tax returns, getting health insurance, enrolling in
> > public school, etc. Then you can file for a Non-work authorized SSN and
it
> > will remain the same after EAD.You just have to go in and present your
EAD
> > after you get it and change the status of the card. They will send you a
new
> > one to have the restriction removed.
> >
> > I don't know if anyone else has had this experience but the SSA and BCIS
> > both informed me that you had to have EAD before receiving a SSN. I just
> > discovered that this is not the case. Read the application instructions,
> > especially page 3. (he says while feeling like a dumb ass for not doing
so
> > earlier because he took the word of government employees.)
> >
> > I called and verified this today and I just want to pass it on to those
of
> > you who might need it.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Danny Davis
> Hi All,
> I think you better read:
> RM 00203.510 Alien without Work Authorization - Nonwork Need for an SSN
> http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203510
> C. POLICY - INVALID NONWORK REASONS
> 1. Federal and State Income Tax Purposes
> 2. Banking/Monetary Purposes
> 3. State Driver's License or Identity Card
> 4. Other State Issued Licenses/Certificates
> 5. Savings Bonds
> 6. Student Loan
> 7. School Lunch Program
> 8. HUD Housing
> 9. School Purposes
> RM 00203.500 Employment Authorization for Nonimmigrants
> http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203500
> RM 00203.001 Evidence Required for an SSN Card
> http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203001
> Take care,
> Mike
this and you should be their supervisor because none knew about this
provision. Second mistake I made---Reading using ordinary common sense. I
should have known better. Well back to the checkbook and the BCIS.
What about the state medical insurance for kids? That is a benefit I could
get for my step-son and it requires a SSN. I asked about this before with
State officials and they said he would be eligible if he had a SSN. That
doesn't mean it is correct of course that is just what I was told.
Blind pig finds an acorn and it is rotten. Damn I get tired of Catch 22.
Well Thanks again really.
Danny Davis
"Michael D. Young" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Danny Davis wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I discovered today that you can still get a SSN for your foreign spouse
> > and/or step-child before EAD. If you have a valid reason for needing
one,
> > i.e. filing Income Tax returns, getting health insurance, enrolling in
> > public school, etc. Then you can file for a Non-work authorized SSN and
it
> > will remain the same after EAD.You just have to go in and present your
EAD
> > after you get it and change the status of the card. They will send you a
new
> > one to have the restriction removed.
> >
> > I don't know if anyone else has had this experience but the SSA and BCIS
> > both informed me that you had to have EAD before receiving a SSN. I just
> > discovered that this is not the case. Read the application instructions,
> > especially page 3. (he says while feeling like a dumb ass for not doing
so
> > earlier because he took the word of government employees.)
> >
> > I called and verified this today and I just want to pass it on to those
of
> > you who might need it.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Danny Davis
> Hi All,
> I think you better read:
> RM 00203.510 Alien without Work Authorization - Nonwork Need for an SSN
> http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203510
> C. POLICY - INVALID NONWORK REASONS
> 1. Federal and State Income Tax Purposes
> 2. Banking/Monetary Purposes
> 3. State Driver's License or Identity Card
> 4. Other State Issued Licenses/Certificates
> 5. Savings Bonds
> 6. Student Loan
> 7. School Lunch Program
> 8. HUD Housing
> 9. School Purposes
> RM 00203.500 Employment Authorization for Nonimmigrants
> http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203500
> RM 00203.001 Evidence Required for an SSN Card
> http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203001
> Take care,
> Mike
Oct 30th 2003, 5:46 pm
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Re: SSN for your sweetie before EAD
Thanks very much Michael. I will trudge through the office tomorrow to see
if I can get it done. Then, if successful, I will let you know.
Danny Davis
"Michael D. Young" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Danny Davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > OK Now What. Thanks for the info. I talked to two dozen Govt Idiots
about
> > this and you should be their supervisor because none knew about this
> > provision. Second mistake I made---Reading using ordinary common sense.
I
> > should have known better. Well back to the checkbook and the BCIS.
> >
> > What about the state medical insurance for kids? That is a benefit I
could
> > get for my step-son and it requires a SSN. I asked about this before
with
> > State officials and they said he would be eligible if he had a SSN. That
> > doesn't mean it is correct of course that is just what I was told.
> >
> > Blind pig finds an acorn and it is rotten. Damn I get tired of Catch 22.
> >
> > Well Thanks again really.
> >
> > Danny Davis
> Hi All,
> Sorry, too much pressure to be the head idiot. Rather just be one of
> the worker idiots. LOL
> If you can get the state to provide the required documention and the
> SSA office determines that it's a valid nonwork reason, your child can
> be assigned a nonwork authorized SSN. Otherwise get them to issue the
> SSA-L676 and apply for the ITIN.
> http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203510
> RM 00203.510 Alien without Work Authorization - Nonwork Need for an
> SSN
> A. POLICY - EVIDENCE REQUIREMENTS FOR OBTAINING AN SSN FOR NONWORK
> PURPOSES
> 2. Documentation
> a. To obtain an SSA for a nonwork purpose, the alien must provide:
> -- Evidence of age, identity and current alien status; and
> -- Documentation from the appropriate government entity explaining the
> need for the SSN.
> b. The only acceptable documentation of a valid nonwork reason is a
> letter from the government entity. The letter cannot be a generic
> application, form letter or a photocopy and must be dated and on
> letterhead stationery. It must specifically identify the alien, the
> nonwork reason for which an SSN is required, the relevant statute or
> regulations requiring the SSN as a condition to receive the benefit or
> service, and the name and telephone number of an official to contact
> so that the information provided may be verified. It should state that
> the alien meets all the requirements to receive the benefit/service
> except for an SSN.
> c. Verify questionable documentation directly with the issuing agency
> to determine if the alien has met all requirements for the benefit
> other than providing an SSN.
> If you have any questions regarding whether the statute or regulation
> that the alien is relying upon meets the requirements, check with the
> Regional Office.
> B. POLICY - VALID REASONS TO ASSIGN AN SSN FOR NONWORK PURPOSES
> 2. State/Local Benefits
> In some instances, a State or local government may require an SSN for
> an individual to receive benefits from a State public assistance
> program (i.e. a fully or partially State-funded program [benefit or
> service] based on need). Refer to RM 00203.510A.2.
> If you have any questions regarding whether the statute or regulation
> that the alien is relying upon meets the requirements, check with the
> Regional Office.
> Take care,
> Mike
if I can get it done. Then, if successful, I will let you know.
Danny Davis
"Michael D. Young" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Danny Davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<gUPnb.13068$d87.6793@okepread05>...
> > OK Now What. Thanks for the info. I talked to two dozen Govt Idiots
about
> > this and you should be their supervisor because none knew about this
> > provision. Second mistake I made---Reading using ordinary common sense.
I
> > should have known better. Well back to the checkbook and the BCIS.
> >
> > What about the state medical insurance for kids? That is a benefit I
could
> > get for my step-son and it requires a SSN. I asked about this before
with
> > State officials and they said he would be eligible if he had a SSN. That
> > doesn't mean it is correct of course that is just what I was told.
> >
> > Blind pig finds an acorn and it is rotten. Damn I get tired of Catch 22.
> >
> > Well Thanks again really.
> >
> > Danny Davis
> Hi All,
> Sorry, too much pressure to be the head idiot. Rather just be one of
> the worker idiots. LOL
> If you can get the state to provide the required documention and the
> SSA office determines that it's a valid nonwork reason, your child can
> be assigned a nonwork authorized SSN. Otherwise get them to issue the
> SSA-L676 and apply for the ITIN.
> http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203510
> RM 00203.510 Alien without Work Authorization - Nonwork Need for an
> SSN
> A. POLICY - EVIDENCE REQUIREMENTS FOR OBTAINING AN SSN FOR NONWORK
> PURPOSES
> 2. Documentation
> a. To obtain an SSA for a nonwork purpose, the alien must provide:
> -- Evidence of age, identity and current alien status; and
> -- Documentation from the appropriate government entity explaining the
> need for the SSN.
> b. The only acceptable documentation of a valid nonwork reason is a
> letter from the government entity. The letter cannot be a generic
> application, form letter or a photocopy and must be dated and on
> letterhead stationery. It must specifically identify the alien, the
> nonwork reason for which an SSN is required, the relevant statute or
> regulations requiring the SSN as a condition to receive the benefit or
> service, and the name and telephone number of an official to contact
> so that the information provided may be verified. It should state that
> the alien meets all the requirements to receive the benefit/service
> except for an SSN.
> c. Verify questionable documentation directly with the issuing agency
> to determine if the alien has met all requirements for the benefit
> other than providing an SSN.
> If you have any questions regarding whether the statute or regulation
> that the alien is relying upon meets the requirements, check with the
> Regional Office.
> B. POLICY - VALID REASONS TO ASSIGN AN SSN FOR NONWORK PURPOSES
> 2. State/Local Benefits
> In some instances, a State or local government may require an SSN for
> an individual to receive benefits from a State public assistance
> program (i.e. a fully or partially State-funded program [benefit or
> service] based on need). Refer to RM 00203.510A.2.
> If you have any questions regarding whether the statute or regulation
> that the alien is relying upon meets the requirements, check with the
> Regional Office.
> Take care,
> Mike
