Ned Brickley

Hi all, I have an interesting question and want to know if anyone has
run into it before.

My wife came here just before Xmas. We were married in this country
Feb. 19. Paperwork for AOS and work permits submitted shortly
thereafter.

My wife's work permit arrived about 6-7 weeks ago. (YAY)
We then submitted the forms for her Social Security card. After 5
weeks I called the local office, (where we submitted the paperwork and
other assorted documentation), and they couldn't find anything. So
last week my wife and a friend of hers go to the office to find out
what is going on.

As near as I can tell the USCIS rejected her SS card request. As you
can gues I am rather befuddled by all this. She has her work permit
and looking at the schedules for the Manchester NH USCIS office it
looks like they will begin processing her AOS forms sometime in the
next few weeks.

So, why the heck did they deny her a SS card? Has anyone else run into
this? I'm going to call the no help line tomorrow.

The only problem, (Mentioned here before), is they typoed her first
name on her work permit. Instead of Xinqing (Q), they put down
Xinging (G). Would that have caused the problem since we used the
correct spelling on her SS forms? (In point of fact USCIS Bobo'd the
spelling, not me)

Advice/ideas or suggestions welcome.
Thanks!

--
Ned

Just Jenney

I'm confused about three things:

1) If the SSA office couldn't find any of the paperwork relating to her SSN application, how do you know it wasn't lost/misplaced and simply hadn't been processed yet? Did your wife submit a new SSN application?

2) USCIS doesn't process SSN requests, the SSA does, so why would the USCIS reject/deny her SSN application? Did you mean the SSA rejected/denied her application?

3) What led you to believe her SSN request had been rejected/denied? I don't understand how you came to that conclusion since you said the SSA office had no record of her application in the first place. Did you get a letter stating that her SSN application had been denied?

~ Jenney

Noorah101

Hi Ned,

Without having concrete evidence of what the SS office said, we have no way of knowing what's happening. Why don't you and your wife go in together again and ask? That way you can get first-hand information from SS, and will know how to proceed from there.

In our case, it took 10 weeks for my husband to get his SS card, because SS had to do a manual verification on him through USCIS, which took 8 weeks to complete, and then 2 weeks to get the card in the mail.

Perhaps SS also did a manual verification for your wife, but couldn't find her if they used the wrong spelling of her name. When you applied for the SS card, did you point out to the SS rep that the name spelling was different, and why?

Hope you get it sorted out soon...come back and let us know what you found out.

Best Wishes,
Rene

Ned Brickley

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:41:25 +0000, Jenney & Mark
<member2595@british_expats.com> wrote:


    >I'm confused about three things:

You're confused?!?! ;)

    >1) If the SSA office couldn't find any of the paperwork relating to her
    > SSN application, how do you know it wasn't lost/misplaced and simply
    > hadn't been processed yet? Did your wife submit a new SSN
    > application?

My first call will be back to the SSA. I want to try and confirm what
my wife and her friend told me. Neither one is a native English
speaker so something might have been lost in the translations.

    >2) USCIS doesn't process SSN requests, the SSA does, so why would the
    > USCIS reject/deny her SSN application? Did you mean the SSA
    > rejected/denied her application?

Now this one I can answer. When I called them to see what was going on
they told me the Homeland Security in its guise of Immigration had to
verify my wife's status.

    >3) What led you to believe her SSN request had been rejected/denied? I
    > don't understand how you came to that conclusion since you said the
    > SSA office had no record of her application in the first place. Did
    > you get a letter stating that her SSN application had been denied?

Nope, which adds to the confusion. I have a feeling I'm going to need
to take a day off and yell at someone.

--
Ned

Ned Brickley

On 31 Jul 2005 11:41:37 -0700, "Retire to Italy"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Ned
    >I must agree with Jenney and Mark herein.
    >The application will be either GRANTED or REJECTED.
    >Applicants are normally informed by registered post of the result
    >therein as reached by SSA.
    >You have not received either notification and also if an EAD has issued
    >I can see no reason why one would not be approved for a SS# .
    >You need to consult a professional if you feel unable to deal with this
    >matter as it is not complicated at all.
    >Alternatively get an immediate up-date on the status of your applicaion
    >by attending at a local SSoffice. Do this tomorrow MONDAY and oyu will
    >get immediate clarity on this matter herein.
    >Best of luck

As I said in a previous post, I am going to be spending a little
quality time on the phone tomorrow. Worst case I call my former
childhood baby sitter's husband. He's a US Senator and has been
helpful in the past. ;)

--
Ned

meauxna

Ned, no Sentors required.
I also recommend that you ignore 'Retire to Italy's posts. they're not very correct and are usually deleted from the BE version of the group.

It sounds to me like they are still verifying your wife's status, as required, and they have run into some delay.
I suggest you search the group for posts by mdyoung and include the word 'verify'. He will have posted the procedure for following up with SSA.

ian-mstm

Oh, blow it out your ear. Your threats are a waste of space... much like you.

Ian

gruffbrown

LMAO......she's back

meauxna

"I just do not know why everyone is so jealous of me."

It must be because your are so professionally beautiful.

Noorah101

Actually, strangely enough, RTI's post was not there when I posted mine. I was not "echoing" her at all, it was my own idea. Only Jenney's post showed up to me when I answerd.

Didn't want anyone to think I would "echo" RTI's postings!

Rene

gruffbrown

Tum podem extulit horridulum

Noorah101

Hi Ned,

This sounds very much like the procedure they did on my husband's application. SS had to manually verify his status here, which is what you're saying they are doing. It took 8 weeks for them to complete this, and he had no spelling errors on his paperwork. Since your wife did have a difference of name spelling, I imagine this is the holdup. If they are running a check by using her EAD card, which is spelled differently than her passport/visa, then they won't get a positive verification from USCIS.

Rene

gruffbrown

Only speaking from experience, if you wait 10 days from issuance of your work permit to applying for your SS number at your local office, they can do it there and then, seemingly it takes that long for USCIS to get the information to SSA, otherwise it takes weeks... mine did (I'm not an expert)

mdyoung

The problem I see is the mispelling on the EAD card unless your wife has another ID document that SSA accepts with her name spelled correctly.

You said that she spelled her name correctly on the SS-5, but her name is spelled incorrectly on the EAD card. You didn't say if this was an original SSN application or for a corrected card in her married name, but in either case she needs an ID document that verifies the name on the application and proof of authorization to work. If SSA needs to send a G-845 along with a copy of the EAD card they should verify that the EAD card is legit and that Xinging is "Temporary Employment Authorized," but Xinqing is applying, so she needs a identity document that establishes that name. Does she have that?

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203200
RM 00203.200 Evidence of Identity for an SSN Card

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100202105
RM 00202.105 Form SS-5 Item 1 — Name

A. POLICY - NAME TO BE SHOWN ON CARD (LINE 1)

1. How Name Should Be Shown

Show the name in line 1 exactly as it will appear on the SSN card

NOTE: The name in line 1 must agree with the name shown on the document submitted as evidence of identity, allowing for the applicant's option to use initials rather than a full first and/or middle name.

Ned Brickley

On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 01:29:09 +0000, mdyoung
<member11913@british_expats.com> wrote:

    >> So, why the heck did they deny her a SS card? Has anyone else run into
    >> this? I'm going to call the no help line tomorrow.
    >> The only problem, (Mentioned here before), is they typoed her first
    >> name on her work permit. Instead of Xinqing (Q), they put down
    >> Xinging (G). Would that have caused the problem since we used the
    >> correct spelling on her SS forms? (In point of fact USCIS Bobo'd the
    >> spelling, not me)

    >> --
    >> Ned

    >The problem I see is the mispelling on the EAD card unless your wife has
    >another ID document that SSA accepts with her name spelled correctly.

When we submitted her SSA form she went to the office with every piece
of documentation we had. Passport, I-94, her birth certificate, both
in the original chinese and with the certified translation, marriage
certificate, immigration forms, etc.

    >You said that she spelled her name correctly on the SS-5, but her name
    >is spelled incorrectly on the EAD card. You didn't say if this was an
    >original SSN application or for a corrected card in her married name,
    >but in either case she needs an ID document that verifies the name on
    >the application and proof of authorization to work. If SSA needs to
    >send a G-845 along with a copy of the EAD card they should verify that
    >the EAD card is legit and that Xinging is "Temporary Employment
    >Authorized," but Xinqing is applying, so she needs a identity document
    >that establishes that name. Does she have that?

This is the first I've heard of the G-845 form. I just downloaded it
and took a look at it. I was aware they would need to verify her work
permit, but silly me, I thougth all they would need to do was punch in
the registration numbers from the work permit and cross check via
computer. I forgot that the U.S.G. computer network is a joke and that
pulling data requests like this is nect to impossible.

    >http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203200
    >RM 00203.200 Evidence of Identity for an SSN Card
    >http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100202105
    >RM 00202.105 Form SS-5 Item 1 — Name
    >A. POLICY - NAME TO BE SHOWN ON CARD (LINE 1)
    >1. How Name Should Be Shown
    >Show the name in line 1 exactly as it will appear on the SSN card
    >NOTE: The name in line 1 must agree with the name shown on the
    > document submitted as evidence of identity, allowing for the
    > applicant's option to use initials rather than a full first
    > and/or middle name.

Ok, I just read these pages and as far as I can tell we complied
fully. I do recall that when we recieved my wife's work permit I did
post a question about how or if I should deal with the typo. I was
givent o understand that I should worry about it since my wife would
be surrendering her permit when she got her green card. Perhaps I
misunderstood? Should I contact USCIS after all and have then fix that
typo?

Thank you for the info.

--
Ned