mdyoung

The SSA office has two ways of verifing her status. First is through the SAVE system at the office, which taps into DHS information. If that doesn't work they send a Form G-845 for manual verification. Since the name is spelled wrong on the EAD card, it may or may not be wrong in SAVE too, but the G-845 should sort that out.

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203740#C1
RM 00203.740 Requesting Additional (Manual) Verification By DHS

C. Procedure - Completing Form G-845, Document Verification Request

1. Block-by-Block Instructions

Item 2 -- Applicant’s Name

Write the last, first (and middle name(s) of the applicant, if available) of the applicant. Include all versions of the name from the immigration documents.

Again my best guess is the EAD card not matching the name being used on the application and the only way around that would be to have another ID document SSA accepts with the correct spelling. I assume she is applying with her married name, does her passport have her married name? I guess the best thing is to go into the SSA office and find out what is really going on.

Ned Brickley

On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 10:04:49 +0000, mdyoung
<member11913@british_expats.com> wrote:


    >The SSA office has two ways of verifing her status. First is through
    >the SAVE system at the office, which taps into DHS information. If that
    >doesn't work they send a Form G-845 for manual verification. Since the
    >name is spelled wrong on the EAD card, it may or may not be wrong in
    >SAVE too, but the G-845 should sort that out.
    >http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203740#C1
    >RM 00203.740 Requesting Additional (Manual) Verification By DHS
    >C. Procedure - Completing Form G-845, Document Verification Request
    >1. Block-by-Block Instructions
    >Item 2 -- Applicant’s Name
    >Write the last, first (and middle name(s) of the applicant, if
    >available) of the applicant. Include all versions of the name from the
    >immigration documents.

I'm getting a sick headache. 8]

    >Again my best guess is the EAD card not matching the name being used on
    >the application and the only way around that would be to have another ID
    >document SSA accepts with the correct spelling. I assume she is
    >applying with her married name, does her passport have her married name?
    >I guess the best thing is to go into the SSA office and find out what is
    >really going on.

My wife is applying with ehr married name. All her records are in her
maiden name since we officially tied the knot here not in China. (This
includes her passport)

Fromo a previous post if her request is rejected we will get a form
letter telling us this. At that point I should be able to take
corrective action.


--
Ned

mdyoung

[QUOTE=Ned Brickley]On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 10:04:49 +0000, mdyoung
<member11913@british_expats.com> wrote:

Yes if the application is denied the SSA will issue her an SSA-L-676, but once again I would go with her into the SSA office and try to find out what is really going on. If the name does need corrected on the EAD card you can get started on that now rather than waiting for the SSA to get around to offically denying the application. Who knows everything could be OK and they are just waiting for the G-845 to come back from immigration.

nettlebed

Mater tua criceta fuit, et pater tuo redoluit bacarum sambucus.

gruffbrown

LOL mine or hers? :-)

Ned Brickley

On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:12:20 +0000, mdyoung
<member11913@british_expats.com> wrote:

    >> From a previous post if her request is rejected we will get a form
    >> letter telling us this. At that point I should be able to take
    >> corrective action.

    >Yes if the application is denied the SSA will issue her an SSA-L-676,
    >but once again I would go with her into the SSA office and try to find
    >out what is really going on. If the name does need corrected on the EAD
    >card you can get started on that now rather than waiting for the SSA to
    >get around to offically denying the application. Who knows everything
    >could be OK and they are just waiting for the G-845 to come back from
    >immigration.

You're probably correct. On the other hand I just checked the status
on AOS cases in the Manchester NH office and according to their
schedule they have started processing the April 14 applications. We
recieved our recipt on April 6. :)

How much would you care to wager that 5 minutes after I jump through
all the hoops and we get everything sorted out her AOS is approved?
The betting window is now open!! ;)

--
Ned

Noorah101

Hi Ned,

I'm not following the connection between the SSN and the AOS. Even if she has her AOS and receives her green card, you'll still need to get the SSN problem fixed. I guess you mean her green card will come with the correct spelling, and you can use that instead of the EAD card to apply for the SSN? I wonder what will happen to the application they are already trying to process...I don't think they'll let you apply twice.

Rene

Ned Brickley

On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:43:35 +0000, Noorah101 <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >> You're probably correct. On the other hand I just checked the status
    >> on AOS cases in the Manchester NH office and according to their
    >> schedule they have started processing the April 14 applications. We
    >> recieved our recipt on April 6. :)
    >> How much would you care to wager that 5 minutes after I jump through
    >> all the hoops and we get everything sorted out her AOS is approved?
    >> The betting window is now open!! ;)

    >Hi Ned,

Hi! How are you? You look great today!

    >I'm not following the connection between the SSN and the AOS. Even
    >if she has her AOS and receives her green card, you'll still need to
    >get the SSN problem fixed. I guess you mean her green card will come
    >with the correct spelling, and you can use that instead of the EAD
    >card to apply for the SSN? I wonder what will happen to the
    >application they are already trying to process...I don't think
    >they'll let you apply twice.

I posted this around 4am this morning and my brain doesn't start
functioning until at least 2 cups of coffee have been poured into it.
If I wasn't to clear blame that. ;)

At this point I have no idea what will happen. As I understand things,
once my beloved wife gets her green card she has to turn in the work
permit. I may be incorrect about this and if so I'll take my beating
and go stand in the corner.

If I am correct we will check and verify that the GC has the correct
spelling on it. I'm curious what will happen to the SSA application as
well. I know that when I first called to find out they told me I may
have to resubmit, and to have my wife come down with her green card.
When I told the cleark on the phone that she didn't have one yet but
did have a valid Work Permit she said "And they let her submit an
application?"
(I had mentioned that fact several times through the conversation)

In any case I have some good info here to go through.
Thanks to all!

--
Ned

beyness

Why does she like to use the word "herein" so much. It's a bit rediculous!

gruffbrown

She has a herein aid..... :-)

Noorah101

More like a herein problem! LOL

Jonathan McNeil Wong

gruffbrown wrote:
    >>Hi Ned,
    >>This sounds very much like the procedure they did on my husband's
    >>application. SS had to manually verify his status here, which is what
    >>you're saying they are doing. It took 8 weeks for them to complete
    >>this, and he had no spelling errors on his paperwork. Since your wife
    >>did have a difference of name spelling, I imagine this is the holdup.
    >>If they are running a check by using her EAD card, which is spelled
    >>differently than her passport/visa, then they won't get a positive
    >>verification from USCIS.
    >>Rene
    >
    >
    > Only speaking from experience, if you wait 10 days from issuance of
    > your work permit to applying for your SS number at your local office,
    > they can do it there and then, seemingly it takes that long for USCIS
    > to get the information to SSA, otherwise it takes weeks... mine did
    > (I'm not an expert)
    >

Ha! I knew if I read down this thread long enough, someone would come
up with the right advice.

SSA participates in a datashare with USCIS called SAVE. SAVE enables
SSA to look at, but not edit, certain indices within USCIS data systems
that verify an alien's status. If SSA cannot locate a name match, it is
required to ask for a manual verification on Form G-845. SSA has no
choice in the matter; this is the law.

It can take 10-14 days for status to be populated in the right index.
Remember, this is a clunky system that is really an interface between
several different systems that don't talk very well to one another.
(The legacy of government bidding.) So if you wait the 10-14 days,
chances of SSA's being able to verify in SAVE are greatly increased.

Now: the data match must be exact. If there is a discrepancy in name,
date of birth, or another key item (don't ask me what they are; I don't
know; it's not everything), SSA considers this a no-match and again
requires manual verification. SSA again has no real choice in this
matter; it's brought about by security concerns. This is why it's very
important to look at your "NOA-1s" (receipt notices) when you get them,
and correct them right away if there are errors. You won't get a
corrected receipt notice in most cases because the system doesn't
generate them (there is a way to type them manually by using a template,
but it's a pain), but you should get confirmation that the correction
has been made. Each Service Center has a slightly different way of
doing this.

Don't rely on the mis-information line to do these corrections for you.
Make them in writing, following the procedures set forth by the
Service Center where you filed.

--
Above intended as general commentary, not specific legal
advice. Your mileage may vary.

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mdyoung

Well you are allowed to have your name be off by one letter.

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203735
RM 00203.735 Requesting Online (Primary) Verification By SAVE

E. PROCEDURE—ONLINE SAVE QUERY RESPONSE INFORMATION DOES NOT AGREE WITH IMMIGRATION DOCUMENT

1. Name

a. One Letter of the Name on the SAVE Query Response Differs from the Name on the Document

In enumeration situations, consider the name shown on the SAVE query response to agree with the name on the immigration document when

The ONLY discrepancy between the name shown on the SAVE query response and the name on the immigration document is a single letter that is different; AND

The person’s name that is shown on all other documents (e.g., foreign passport, visa, DS-2019, I-20) presented, agrees with the name as shown on the immigration document presented.

The single letter discrepancy may be in either the first or last name. If there is a single letter discrepancy in both the first and last name (for example, Form I-94, the foreign passport, and the U.S. visa in the foreign passport all show the applicant’s name as “Gabriel Calic,� but the SAVE query response shows the name as “Garriel Calix�), the tolerance does not apply because two letters differ.

EXAMPLE 1: The Form I-94, the foreign passport, and visa in the foreign passport all show the applicant’s first name as “Gabriel.� However, the SAVE query response shows the first name as “Garriel.� Since there is a single letter discrepancy (the “b� appears on the SAVE query response as “r�) and all the immigration documents (e.g., passport, visa, and I-94) show the first name as “Gabriel,� consider that the SAVE query response confirms the name information shown on the immigration document.
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From what I have seen is that EAD info seems to take longer to update to SAVE than I-94 info. Waiting a month with an EAD before applying for an SSN wouldn't be unreasonable. Plus the EAD is good for a year unlike a K-1's I-94, so there isn't as much of a worry of the EAD expiring while waiting for the G-845 if you do wait and still don't verify through SAVE.

Ned Brickley

On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 10:04:49 +0000, mdyoung
<member11913@british_expats.com> wrote:

    >Again my best guess is the EAD card not matching the name being used on
    >the application and the only way around that would be to have another ID
    >document SSA accepts with the correct spelling. I assume she is
    >applying with her married name, does her passport have her married name?
    >I guess the best thing is to go into the SSA office and find out what is
    >really going on.

Hi mdyoung, were you the gentleman I spoke with regarding my wife's SS
card delays yesterday? (9/1/2005)

If so, thank you for the help and information. :)
(regarding my wife Xinqing)

And for those wondering, I was told yesterday that the card has been
issued and should arrive anytime.

--
Ned

mdyoung

It was me.