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Old Nov 16th 2002, 5:41 pm
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chripchirp... Merde wants a cracker... asshole...

ferchrissake, go pick up a slang dictionary. use something a bit more
creative, possibly along the lines of "dipshit" or "buttnugget". you
obviously aren't a total 'tard. stretch your wings!

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Old Nov 16th 2002, 6:12 pm
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    > Really? It's a worldwide economy.

It's only a worldwide economy when those who can take advantage of it, take
advantage of it. America was much better off without this "worldwide
economy".

    > For US technology companies to be able
    > to compete in the worldwide market, are you suggesting they can continue
    > to main a high percentage of higher waged US employees, or do you think
    > they need workers located in foreign countries?

Would you rather be making a decent living in the US or be a slave in a
factory in China?

    > If my employer's
    > insurance rates go up, would they be more or less likely to send work
    > overseas.

If your employer is able to send more work overseas, will they have an
incentive to keep you?

    > As I type this, I know full well of my employer's increasing
    > dependence on workers living in foreign countries.

And decreasing dependence on workers in the US, like you.

    > Yes, I would rather
    > have more foreign employees move here than see all of our jobs end up
    > there.

Good, I hope you know where the unemployment office is.
 
Old Nov 16th 2002, 6:12 pm
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"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
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    > In article , "James Donovan"
    > wrote:

    > Finally? I can remember them telling people that when the Japanese were
    > doing what China is now in the 60s.

Well, maybe in the I.T. sector it's "finally" happening. Before they had
used the "shortage of skilled American workers" excuse. Now that there is
no shortage they have run out of excuses.
 
Old Nov 16th 2002, 7:24 pm
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James Donovan wrote:
    >
    > "mrtravel" wrote in message
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    >
    > > Really? It's a worldwide economy.
    >
    > It's only a worldwide economy when those who can take advantage of it, take
    > advantage of it. America was much better off without this "worldwide
    > economy".

Technology has maded it easy for jobs to migrate to whete the costs are
lower.
However, without this technology, I wouldn't have my current technology
based job.

What is your quick fix?

    >
    > > For US technology companies to be able
    > > to compete in the worldwide market, are you suggesting they can continue
    > > to main a high percentage of higher waged US employees, or do you think
    > > they need workers located in foreign countries?
    >
    > Would you rather be making a decent living in the US or be a slave in a
    > factory in China?

Are these the only choices?
Most of the people in these lower wage jobs aren't "slaves".
In fact, in many cases, it would either be this job or no job.
While the pay rates are lower than the US, they are often higher than
the average wage for those areas.
My wife made far more working for a high tech US company in Siberia than
she could make working for a Russian company or the government. In most
cases, these people are making a decent living for where they are
located.

What do you see as the alternative. What would happen if US based
companies had no workers in foreign countries? What percentage of US
made TV sets were sold in the US last year? If a company in Korea can
make the same quality TV for half the cost of a US built one, would US
consumers really pay twice as much to get it?

    >
    > > If my employer's
    > > insurance rates go up, would they be more or less likely to send work
    > > overseas.
    >
    > If your employer is able to send more work overseas, will they have an
    > incentive to keep you?

The point is they will send more work overseas if cost here are too
high.

    >
    > > As I type this, I know full well of my employer's increasing
    > > dependence on workers living in foreign countries.
    >
    > And decreasing dependence on workers in the US, like you.

How else would they compete against similar companies worldwide?
 
Old Nov 17th 2002, 1:07 am
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In article , "James Donovan"
wrote:
    >"mrtravel" wrote in message
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    >> Really? It's a worldwide economy.
    >It's only a worldwide economy when those who can take advantage of it, take
    >advantage of it. America was much better off without this "worldwide
    >economy".
YOu mean it was bad when we were an net exporter? In otherwords, the
worldwide economy is only bad thing when it hurts the US and is a good thing
when it helps. You think it is bad that we have cheaper products made
elsewhere and then have money to spend?

    >If your employer is able to send more work overseas, will they have an
    >incentive to keep you?

Nope. Nor will they have an incentive to keep me if they go bankrupt
because they can't sell their stuff. Higher prices for goods and services
if cheaper imports weren't available would invariably hurt some plants.


--------
"[W]e made a great mistake in the beginning of our struggle, and I fear,
in spite of all we can do, it will prove to be a fatal mistake. We appointed
all our worst generals to command our armies, and all our best generals
to edit the newspapers."
--Robert E. Lee
 
Old Nov 17th 2002, 1:21 am
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In concern of shortage of nurses.In my life I have worked as a trained
hospital therapist and as a wage earner in the
powerful union scale jobs.I have seen the responsibilities of a manual
labor in the
furniture moving business,earning teamster wages,compared to a
registered
nurse, in an Intensive care unit,with responsibility beyond most peoples
imagination.

Guess who earns the most? I will tell you.
The laborer.Hmmmm.

The medical salesman,the manufactures
of medical equipment,ie; plastic,two-bit
breathing devices,dressings,cheap oxygen
mask and other devices,and the list goes on and on.The administration
staff,the
parking area sweepers,and the hospital
and all its services itself...........

All make more, than 4-6 year educated,
highly responsible registered nurse,the
backbone of the hospital.

Greed,being the driving force behind
most successful unions, business's,
service industries etc; Once again rears its ugly head, and looks world
wide for
nurses ,physical therapist, from impoverished countries,who would feel
well to do, earning US wages,regardless
of their work ethics,training,an experience.
We are a country,that can destroy a persons entire accumulation of 40-50
years of retirement, by acquiring the need of surgery,or lengthy
hospital stays,yet has the audacity, to provide the same, with less than
the best, our own country can provide for it's citizens.

Just some thoughts I had, after reading all the threads.
John
 
Old Nov 17th 2002, 5:35 am
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"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
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    > YOu mean it was bad when we were an net exporter? In otherwords, the
    > worldwide economy is only bad thing when it hurts the US and is a good
thing
    > when it helps. You think it is bad that we have cheaper products made
    > elsewhere and then have money to spend?

China and India are net exporters. Their economies are getting better by
the day. They are smart, protecting the interests of their own country. It
is only Americans who are stupid enough to believe that there is any benefit
to this "free trade" going on.

    > >If your employer is able to send more work overseas, will they have an
    > >incentive to keep you?
    > Nope. Nor will they have an incentive to keep me if they go bankrupt
    > because they can't sell their stuff. Higher prices for goods and services
    > if cheaper imports weren't available would invariably hurt some plants.

They can lower costs by lowering CEO's salaries, perks and benefits, and
also by stopping the embezzlement of money from corporate coffers. But,
this will not happen. Why? The corporations ultimate goal is to make the
rich get richer while the working class gets poorer and poorer.
 
Old Nov 17th 2002, 5:36 am
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"mrtravel" wrote in message
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    > James Donovan wrote:
    > >
    > > "mrtravel" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > > Really? It's a worldwide economy.
    > >
    > > It's only a worldwide economy when those who can take advantage of it,
take
    > > advantage of it. America was much better off without this "worldwide
    > > economy".
    > Technology has maded it easy for jobs to migrate to whete the costs are
    > lower.
    > However, without this technology, I wouldn't have my current technology
    > based job.
    > What is your quick fix?

The quick fix? Start making it harder for US corporations to move work
overseas. Eliminate H-1B and ALL other work visas. Reduce the number of
student visas for foreigners to come to the US to study. Detain, deport,
exclude ALL illegal aliens as far as possible.

    > >
    > > > For US technology companies to be able
    > > > to compete in the worldwide market, are you suggesting they can
continue
    > > > to main a high percentage of higher waged US employees, or do you
think
    > > > they need workers located in foreign countries?
    > >
    > > Would you rather be making a decent living in the US or be a slave in a
    > > factory in China?
    > Are these the only choices?

Pretty soon the only choices will be work as a slave or be unemployed.

    > Most of the people in these lower wage jobs aren't "slaves".
    > In fact, in many cases, it would either be this job or no job.
    > While the pay rates are lower than the US, they are often higher than
    > the average wage for those areas.

While the cost of living in the US has remained steady or increased.

    > My wife made far more working for a high tech US company in Siberia than
    > she could make working for a Russian company or the government. In most
    > cases, these people are making a decent living for where they are
    > located.
    > What do you see as the alternative. What would happen if US based
    > companies had no workers in foreign countries? What percentage of US
    > made TV sets were sold in the US last year? If a company in Korea can
    > make the same quality TV for half the cost of a US built one, would US
    > consumers really pay twice as much to get it?
    > >
    > > > If my employer's
    > > > insurance rates go up, would they be more or less likely to send work
    > > > overseas.
    > >
    > > If your employer is able to send more work overseas, will they have an
    > > incentive to keep you?
    > The point is they will send more work overseas if cost here are too
    > high.
    > >
    > > > As I type this, I know full well of my employer's increasing
    > > > dependence on workers living in foreign countries.
    > >
    > > And decreasing dependence on workers in the US, like you.
    > How else would they compete against similar companies worldwide?
 
Old Nov 17th 2002, 5:58 am
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I'll drink to that..........................

"James Donovan" wrote in message
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Why? The corporations ultimate goal is to make the
rich get richer while the working class gets poorer and poorer.
 
Old Nov 17th 2002, 6:37 am
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In article , "James Donovan"
wrote:

    >this will not happen. Why? The corporations ultimate goal is to make the
    >rich get richer while the working class gets poorer and poorer.
Well then the answer is easy get rich.

--------
"[W]e made a great mistake in the beginning of our struggle, and I fear,
in spite of all we can do, it will prove to be a fatal mistake. We appointed
all our worst generals to command our armies, and all our best generals
to edit the newspapers."
--Robert E. Lee
 
Old Nov 17th 2002, 6:37 am
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In article , "James Donovan"
wrote:

    >The quick fix? Start making it harder for US corporations to move work
    >overseas. Eliminate H-1B and ALL other work visas. Reduce the number of
    >student visas for foreigners to come to the US to study. Detain, deport,
    >exclude ALL illegal aliens as far as possible.

Of course none of these people are actually overseas. They are all in the
US, paying US taxes, etc. The main drain is not foreign workers in the US, but
the physical jobs leaving teh country to China etc.


--------
"[W]e made a great mistake in the beginning of our struggle, and I fear,
in spite of all we can do, it will prove to be a fatal mistake. We appointed
all our worst generals to command our armies, and all our best generals
to edit the newspapers."
--Robert E. Lee
 
Old Nov 17th 2002, 11:08 am
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Ditto.

"mared13" wrote in message
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    > I'll drink to that..........................
    > "James Donovan" wrote in message
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    > Why? The corporations ultimate goal is to make the
    > rich get richer while the working class gets poorer and poorer.
 
Old Nov 17th 2002, 6:40 pm
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John Mott wrote:
    >
    > In concern of shortage of nurses.In my life I have worked as a trained
    > hospital therapist and as a wage earner in the
    > powerful union scale jobs.I have seen the responsibilities of a manual
    > labor in the
    > furniture moving business,earning teamster wages,compared to a
    > registered
    > nurse, in an Intensive care unit,with responsibility beyond most peoples
    > imagination.
    >
    > Guess who earns the most? I will tell you.
    > The laborer.Hmmmm.

Then maybe the nurses need a union.
My XGF made $65K last year as a L&D RN.
She worked 0 overtime, and actually worked less shifts than she was
scheduled for.
True, it is less than I make, but it isn't slave labor either.

But personally, as a pro-American-labor guy, do you know how many jobs
union demands have ended?
I see you are using WebTV.
Where was the TV made?

You say you want to keep jobs in America.
Do you go out of your way to buy American products, even if they cost
more?
 
Old Nov 17th 2002, 6:42 pm
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James Donovan wrote:
    > >
    > > What is your quick fix?
    >
    > The quick fix? Start making it harder for US corporations to move work
    > overseas. Eliminate H-1B and ALL other work visas. Reduce the number of
    > student visas for foreigners to come to the US to study. Detain, deport,
    > exclude ALL illegal aliens as far as possible.
    >

So, would you agree that your "quick fix" would cause labor costs to be
higher in the US than elsewhere?
How do you expect the employer to remain competitive?
 
Old Nov 17th 2002, 6:49 pm
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Kurt Ullman wrote:

    >
    > Of course none of these people are actually overseas. They are all in the
    > US, paying US taxes, etc. The main drain is not foreign workers in the US, but
    > the physical jobs leaving teh country to China etc.

Thanks, that was the point I was trying to make.
I would rather have foreign workers in the US, then seeing the jobs go
out of the US.
The real truth is that the US has spent a long time living high at the
expense of other countries.
Due to improvements in technology and other areas, more countries are
able to compete based on having more than just labor cost advantages.
After all, it makes no sense for a skilled job to go to a lower wage
country if there aren't enough people qualified to do the work. The
BEST way for the US to remain competitive is to be competitive. I have
interviewed countless people that are "paper qualified" for a job that
lack the knowledge or common sense to do the job.
 


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