Shortage of nurses in the US
Nov 12th 2002, 8:01 am
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Shortage of nurses in the US
The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
-------------------------------
Schedule A Occupations
The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed
below on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of
United States workers similarly employed will not be adversely
affected by the employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
Group I:
(1) Persons who will be employed as physical therapists, and who
possess all the qualifications necessary to take the physical
therapist licensing examination in the State in which they propose to
practice physical therapy.
(2) Aliens who will be employed as professional nurses; and (i) who
have passed the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools
(CGFNS) Examination; or (ii) who hold a full and unrestricted license
to practice professional nursing in the State of intended employment.
(3) Definitions of Group I occupations:
i. "Physical therapist" means a person who applies the art and
science of physical therapy to the treatment of patients with
disabilities, disorders and injuries to relieve pain, develop or
restore function, and maintain performance, using physical means, such
as exercise, massage, heat, water, light, and electricity, as
prescribed by a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse"
is defined in Sec. 656.50.
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Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
classified/grouped in general.
-------------------------------
Schedule A Occupations
The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed
below on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of
United States workers similarly employed will not be adversely
affected by the employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
Group I:
(1) Persons who will be employed as physical therapists, and who
possess all the qualifications necessary to take the physical
therapist licensing examination in the State in which they propose to
practice physical therapy.
(2) Aliens who will be employed as professional nurses; and (i) who
have passed the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools
(CGFNS) Examination; or (ii) who hold a full and unrestricted license
to practice professional nursing in the State of intended employment.
(3) Definitions of Group I occupations:
i. "Physical therapist" means a person who applies the art and
science of physical therapy to the treatment of patients with
disabilities, disorders and injuries to relieve pain, develop or
restore function, and maintain performance, using physical means, such
as exercise, massage, heat, water, light, and electricity, as
prescribed by a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse"
is defined in Sec. 656.50.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
classified/grouped in general.
Nov 12th 2002, 8:30 am
#2
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Re: Shortage of nurses in the US
As noted in your post:
Professional nurse" is defined in Sec. 656.50.
Did you look there?
[email protected] wrote:
>
> The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
> -------------------------------
> Schedule A Occupations
>
> The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
> determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
> able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed
> below on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of
> United States workers similarly employed will not be adversely
> affected by the employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
>
> Group I:
> (1) Persons who will be employed as physical therapists, and who
> possess all the qualifications necessary to take the physical
> therapist licensing examination in the State in which they propose to
> practice physical therapy.
> (2) Aliens who will be employed as professional nurses; and (i) who
> have passed the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools
> (CGFNS) Examination; or (ii) who hold a full and unrestricted license
> to practice professional nursing in the State of intended employment.
> (3) Definitions of Group I occupations:
> i. "Physical therapist" means a person who applies the art and
> science of physical therapy to the treatment of patients with
> disabilities, disorders and injuries to relieve pain, develop or
> restore function, and maintain performance, using physical means, such
> as exercise, massage, heat, water, light, and electricity, as
> prescribed by a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse"
> is defined in Sec. 656.50.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
> etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
> classified/grouped in general.
Professional nurse" is defined in Sec. 656.50.
Did you look there?
[email protected] wrote:
>
> The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
> -------------------------------
> Schedule A Occupations
>
> The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
> determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
> able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed
> below on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of
> United States workers similarly employed will not be adversely
> affected by the employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
>
> Group I:
> (1) Persons who will be employed as physical therapists, and who
> possess all the qualifications necessary to take the physical
> therapist licensing examination in the State in which they propose to
> practice physical therapy.
> (2) Aliens who will be employed as professional nurses; and (i) who
> have passed the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools
> (CGFNS) Examination; or (ii) who hold a full and unrestricted license
> to practice professional nursing in the State of intended employment.
> (3) Definitions of Group I occupations:
> i. "Physical therapist" means a person who applies the art and
> science of physical therapy to the treatment of patients with
> disabilities, disorders and injuries to relieve pain, develop or
> restore function, and maintain performance, using physical means, such
> as exercise, massage, heat, water, light, and electricity, as
> prescribed by a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse"
> is defined in Sec. 656.50.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
> etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
> classified/grouped in general.
Nov 12th 2002, 11:09 am
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Re: Shortage of nurses in the US
A language proficiency exam has got to be critical here.And it has to
be set at a higher level than what I have recently seen . kj
>The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
>-------------------------------
>Schedule A Occupations
>The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
>determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
>able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed
>below on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of
>United States workers similarly employed will not be adversely
>affected by the employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
snip
be set at a higher level than what I have recently seen . kj
>The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
>-------------------------------
>Schedule A Occupations
>The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
>determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
>able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed
>below on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of
>United States workers similarly employed will not be adversely
>affected by the employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
snip
Nov 13th 2002, 5:34 am
#4
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Re: Shortage of nurses in the US
> prescribed by a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse"
> is defined in Sec. 656.50.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
> etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
> classified/grouped in general.
I found Section 656.50 but it doesn't define "Professional nurse."
What am I missing here?
------------------------
[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 20, Volume 3]
[Revised as of April 1, 2002]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 20CFR656.50]
[Page 694-695]
TITLE 20--EMPLOYEES' BENEFITS
CHAPTER V--EMPLOYMENT AND TRAINING ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
LABOR
PART 656--LABOR CERTIFICATION PROCESS FOR PERMANENT EMPLOYMENT OF
ALIENS IN THE UNITED STATES--Table of Contents
Subpart E--Petitioning Process for Federal Research Agencies
Sec. 656.50 Petitioning process.
Source: 63 FR 13767, Mar. 20, 1998, unless otherwise noted.
(a) Federal research agencies seeking to have prevailing wages
determined in accordance with Sec. 656.40(c)(2) shall file a petition
with the Director, U.S. Employment Service.
(b) The procedures and information to be included in the petition
shall be in accordance with administrative directives issued by ETA
that
will specify the procedures to be followed and information that shall
be
filed in support of the petition by the requesting agency.
(c) The Director shall make a determination either to grant or
deny
the petition on the basis of whether the petitioning agency is a
Federal
research agency, whether most researchers at the petitioning agency
have
a close relationship with teaching as well as research, and whether
the
employment environment for researchers at the petitioning agency
provides significant intangible and nonpecuniary incentives of the
nature found at colleges and universities.
(d) Denials of agency petitions may be appealed to the Board of
Alien Labor Certification Appeals.
(1) The request for review shall be in writing and shall be mailed
by certified mail to the Director, U.S. Employment Service, within 35
calendar days of the date of the determination, that is by the date
specified in the Director's determination; shall set forth the
particular grounds for the request; and shall include all the
documents
which accompanied the Director's determination.
(2) Failure to file a request for review in a timely manner shall
constitute a
[[Page 695]]
failure to exhaust available administrative remedies.
(e) Upon a request for review, the Director shall immediately
assemble an indexed Appeal File.
(1) The Appeal File shall be in chronological order, shall have
the
index on top followed by the most recent document. The Appeal File
shall
contain the request for review, the complete petition file, and copies
of all the written material upon which the denial was based.
(2) The Director shall send the Appeal File to the Board of Alien
Labor Certification Appeals.
(f) In considering requests for review of denied petitions, the
Board of Alien Labor Certification Appeals shall be guided by
Sec. 656.27.
> is defined in Sec. 656.50.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
> etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
> classified/grouped in general.
I found Section 656.50 but it doesn't define "Professional nurse."
What am I missing here?
------------------------
[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 20, Volume 3]
[Revised as of April 1, 2002]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 20CFR656.50]
[Page 694-695]
TITLE 20--EMPLOYEES' BENEFITS
CHAPTER V--EMPLOYMENT AND TRAINING ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
LABOR
PART 656--LABOR CERTIFICATION PROCESS FOR PERMANENT EMPLOYMENT OF
ALIENS IN THE UNITED STATES--Table of Contents
Subpart E--Petitioning Process for Federal Research Agencies
Sec. 656.50 Petitioning process.
Source: 63 FR 13767, Mar. 20, 1998, unless otherwise noted.
(a) Federal research agencies seeking to have prevailing wages
determined in accordance with Sec. 656.40(c)(2) shall file a petition
with the Director, U.S. Employment Service.
(b) The procedures and information to be included in the petition
shall be in accordance with administrative directives issued by ETA
that
will specify the procedures to be followed and information that shall
be
filed in support of the petition by the requesting agency.
(c) The Director shall make a determination either to grant or
deny
the petition on the basis of whether the petitioning agency is a
Federal
research agency, whether most researchers at the petitioning agency
have
a close relationship with teaching as well as research, and whether
the
employment environment for researchers at the petitioning agency
provides significant intangible and nonpecuniary incentives of the
nature found at colleges and universities.
(d) Denials of agency petitions may be appealed to the Board of
Alien Labor Certification Appeals.
(1) The request for review shall be in writing and shall be mailed
by certified mail to the Director, U.S. Employment Service, within 35
calendar days of the date of the determination, that is by the date
specified in the Director's determination; shall set forth the
particular grounds for the request; and shall include all the
documents
which accompanied the Director's determination.
(2) Failure to file a request for review in a timely manner shall
constitute a
[[Page 695]]
failure to exhaust available administrative remedies.
(e) Upon a request for review, the Director shall immediately
assemble an indexed Appeal File.
(1) The Appeal File shall be in chronological order, shall have
the
index on top followed by the most recent document. The Appeal File
shall
contain the request for review, the complete petition file, and copies
of all the written material upon which the denial was based.
(2) The Director shall send the Appeal File to the Board of Alien
Labor Certification Appeals.
(f) In considering requests for review of denied petitions, the
Board of Alien Labor Certification Appeals shall be guided by
Sec. 656.27.
Nov 13th 2002, 2:46 pm
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Re: Shortage of nurses in the US
[email protected] wrote in message news:...
> The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
> -------------------------------
> Schedule A Occupations
>
> The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
> determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
> able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed
> below on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of
> United States workers similarly employed will not be adversely
> affected by the employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
>
> Group I:
> (1) Persons who will be employed as physical therapists, and who
> possess all the qualifications necessary to take the physical
> therapist licensing examination in the State in which they propose to
> practice physical therapy.
> (2) Aliens who will be employed as professional nurses; and (i) who
> have passed the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools
> (CGFNS) Examination; or (ii) who hold a full and unrestricted license
> to practice professional nursing in the State of intended employment.
> (3) Definitions of Group I occupations:
> i. "Physical therapist" means a person who applies the art and
> science of physical therapy to the treatment of patients with
> disabilities, disorders and injuries to relieve pain, develop or
> restore function, and maintain performance, using physical means, such
> as exercise, massage, heat, water, light, and electricity, as
> prescribed by a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse"
> is defined in Sec. 656.50.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
> etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
> classified/grouped in general.
This U.S. governmental directive is clearly UnConstitutional in that
it has, although it is falsely clothed under a legitimate and
Constitutional goal of providing of nurses and other health care
professionals for the American public, the clear goal of the
Unconstitutional end of depriving American workers of employment, of
depriving them of reasonable working conditions,a stable working
environment, and encouraging American citizens to leave nursing and
other related health fields . The legal case in support of my argument
is McCullough v. Maryland (the stated and implied rights of the
Federal Government under the U.S. Constitution). The American
government can not Constitutionally import labor for the purpose of
reducing wages, flooding the market with cheap labor, and diminishing
the quality of health care for all Americans. That is neither a direct
nor implied power under the U.S. Constitution (see Ibid. McCullough v.
Maryland). Such being the case, the importation of foreign workers for
the aforementioned Unconstitutional reasons,although falsely cloaked
in a valid Constitutional purpose, is illegal, Unconstitutional and
should be prohibited as such.
Mr. C.V. Compton Shaw, R.N., Certified Legal Assistance
> The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
> -------------------------------
> Schedule A Occupations
>
> The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
> determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
> able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed
> below on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of
> United States workers similarly employed will not be adversely
> affected by the employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
>
> Group I:
> (1) Persons who will be employed as physical therapists, and who
> possess all the qualifications necessary to take the physical
> therapist licensing examination in the State in which they propose to
> practice physical therapy.
> (2) Aliens who will be employed as professional nurses; and (i) who
> have passed the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools
> (CGFNS) Examination; or (ii) who hold a full and unrestricted license
> to practice professional nursing in the State of intended employment.
> (3) Definitions of Group I occupations:
> i. "Physical therapist" means a person who applies the art and
> science of physical therapy to the treatment of patients with
> disabilities, disorders and injuries to relieve pain, develop or
> restore function, and maintain performance, using physical means, such
> as exercise, massage, heat, water, light, and electricity, as
> prescribed by a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse"
> is defined in Sec. 656.50.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
> etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
> classified/grouped in general.
This U.S. governmental directive is clearly UnConstitutional in that
it has, although it is falsely clothed under a legitimate and
Constitutional goal of providing of nurses and other health care
professionals for the American public, the clear goal of the
Unconstitutional end of depriving American workers of employment, of
depriving them of reasonable working conditions,a stable working
environment, and encouraging American citizens to leave nursing and
other related health fields . The legal case in support of my argument
is McCullough v. Maryland (the stated and implied rights of the
Federal Government under the U.S. Constitution). The American
government can not Constitutionally import labor for the purpose of
reducing wages, flooding the market with cheap labor, and diminishing
the quality of health care for all Americans. That is neither a direct
nor implied power under the U.S. Constitution (see Ibid. McCullough v.
Maryland). Such being the case, the importation of foreign workers for
the aforementioned Unconstitutional reasons,although falsely cloaked
in a valid Constitutional purpose, is illegal, Unconstitutional and
should be prohibited as such.
Mr. C.V. Compton Shaw, R.N., Certified Legal Assistance
Nov 13th 2002, 10:03 pm
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Re: Shortage of nurses in the US
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:01:46 -0800, tammerrin wrote:
> The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
> -------------------------------
> Schedule A Occupations
>
> The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
> determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
> able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed below
> on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of United States
> workers similarly employed will not be adversely affected by the
> employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
>
> Group I:
> (1) Persons who will be employed as physical therapists, and who possess
> all the qualifications necessary to take the physical therapist
> licensing examination in the State in which they propose to practice
> physical therapy.
> (2) Aliens who will be employed as professional nurses; and (i) who have
> passed the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools (CGFNS)
> Examination; or (ii) who hold a full and unrestricted license to
> practice professional nursing in the State of intended employment. (3)
> Definitions of Group I occupations:
> i. "Physical therapist" means a person who applies the art and
> science of physical therapy to the treatment of patients with
> disabilities, disorders and injuries to relieve pain, develop or restore
> function, and maintain performance, using physical means, such as
> exercise, massage, heat, water, light, and electricity, as prescribed by
> a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse" is defined in
> Sec. 656.50.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA, etc.?
> I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are classified/grouped in
> general.
You may want to visit http://www.visalaw.com and
http://www.shusterman.com. Both sites have a lot of information on nurses.
The immigration law surrounding the medical professions is extremely
convoluted, and unfortunately, the Schedule A that you found is only a
very small part of the puzzle.
> The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
> -------------------------------
> Schedule A Occupations
>
> The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
> determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
> able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed below
> on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of United States
> workers similarly employed will not be adversely affected by the
> employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
>
> Group I:
> (1) Persons who will be employed as physical therapists, and who possess
> all the qualifications necessary to take the physical therapist
> licensing examination in the State in which they propose to practice
> physical therapy.
> (2) Aliens who will be employed as professional nurses; and (i) who have
> passed the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools (CGFNS)
> Examination; or (ii) who hold a full and unrestricted license to
> practice professional nursing in the State of intended employment. (3)
> Definitions of Group I occupations:
> i. "Physical therapist" means a person who applies the art and
> science of physical therapy to the treatment of patients with
> disabilities, disorders and injuries to relieve pain, develop or restore
> function, and maintain performance, using physical means, such as
> exercise, massage, heat, water, light, and electricity, as prescribed by
> a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse" is defined in
> Sec. 656.50.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA, etc.?
> I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are classified/grouped in
> general.
You may want to visit http://www.visalaw.com and
http://www.shusterman.com. Both sites have a lot of information on nurses.
The immigration law surrounding the medical professions is extremely
convoluted, and unfortunately, the Schedule A that you found is only a
very small part of the puzzle.
Nov 13th 2002, 11:51 pm
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Re: Shortage of nurses in the US
I am one of what they call here a CNA and to get work yes it was easy
to get a position as a matter of fact I was offered several BUT......
my Australian qualifications wern't recognised (despite 19 years
experience)I had to go through and be recertified!!
Now I am one of the employed.
[email protected] wrote in message news:...
> The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
> -------------------------------
> Schedule A Occupations
>
> The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
> determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
> able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed
> below on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of
> United States workers similarly employed will not be adversely
> affected by the employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
>
> Group I:
> (1) Persons who will be employed as physical therapists, and who
> possess all the qualifications necessary to take the physical
> therapist licensing examination in the State in which they propose to
> practice physical therapy.
> (2) Aliens who will be employed as professional nurses; and (i) who
> have passed the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools
> (CGFNS) Examination; or (ii) who hold a full and unrestricted license
> to practice professional nursing in the State of intended employment.
> (3) Definitions of Group I occupations:
> i. "Physical therapist" means a person who applies the art and
> science of physical therapy to the treatment of patients with
> disabilities, disorders and injuries to relieve pain, develop or
> restore function, and maintain performance, using physical means, such
> as exercise, massage, heat, water, light, and electricity, as
> prescribed by a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse"
> is defined in Sec. 656.50.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
> etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
> classified/grouped in general.
to get a position as a matter of fact I was offered several BUT......
my Australian qualifications wern't recognised (despite 19 years
experience)I had to go through and be recertified!!
Now I am one of the employed.
[email protected] wrote in message news:...
> The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
> -------------------------------
> Schedule A Occupations
>
> The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
> determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
> able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed
> below on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of
> United States workers similarly employed will not be adversely
> affected by the employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
>
> Group I:
> (1) Persons who will be employed as physical therapists, and who
> possess all the qualifications necessary to take the physical
> therapist licensing examination in the State in which they propose to
> practice physical therapy.
> (2) Aliens who will be employed as professional nurses; and (i) who
> have passed the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools
> (CGFNS) Examination; or (ii) who hold a full and unrestricted license
> to practice professional nursing in the State of intended employment.
> (3) Definitions of Group I occupations:
> i. "Physical therapist" means a person who applies the art and
> science of physical therapy to the treatment of patients with
> disabilities, disorders and injuries to relieve pain, develop or
> restore function, and maintain performance, using physical means, such
> as exercise, massage, heat, water, light, and electricity, as
> prescribed by a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse"
> is defined in Sec. 656.50.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
> etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
> classified/grouped in general.
Nov 14th 2002, 3:57 am
#8
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Re: Shortage of nurses in the US
On 12 Nov 2002 13:01:46 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
>-------------------------------
>Schedule A Occupations
>The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
>determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
>able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed
>below on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of
>United States workers similarly employed will not be adversely
>affected by the employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
>Group I:
>(1) Persons who will be employed as physical therapists, and who
>possess all the qualifications necessary to take the physical
>therapist licensing examination in the State in which they propose to
>practice physical therapy.
>(2) Aliens who will be employed as professional nurses; and (i) who
>have passed the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools
>(CGFNS) Examination; or (ii) who hold a full and unrestricted license
>to practice professional nursing in the State of intended employment.
>(3) Definitions of Group I occupations:
> i. "Physical therapist" means a person who applies the art and
>science of physical therapy to the treatment of patients with
>disabilities, disorders and injuries to relieve pain, develop or
>restore function, and maintain performance, using physical means, such
>as exercise, massage, heat, water, light, and electricity, as
>prescribed by a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse"
>is defined in Sec. 656.50.
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
>only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
>etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
>classified/grouped in general.
If you are a Physical Therapist right now working in Europe/Germany,
what would you have to do to be able to settle over to the US and work
here?
>The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
>-------------------------------
>Schedule A Occupations
>The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
>determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
>able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed
>below on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of
>United States workers similarly employed will not be adversely
>affected by the employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
>Group I:
>(1) Persons who will be employed as physical therapists, and who
>possess all the qualifications necessary to take the physical
>therapist licensing examination in the State in which they propose to
>practice physical therapy.
>(2) Aliens who will be employed as professional nurses; and (i) who
>have passed the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools
>(CGFNS) Examination; or (ii) who hold a full and unrestricted license
>to practice professional nursing in the State of intended employment.
>(3) Definitions of Group I occupations:
> i. "Physical therapist" means a person who applies the art and
>science of physical therapy to the treatment of patients with
>disabilities, disorders and injuries to relieve pain, develop or
>restore function, and maintain performance, using physical means, such
>as exercise, massage, heat, water, light, and electricity, as
>prescribed by a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse"
>is defined in Sec. 656.50.
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
>only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
>etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
>classified/grouped in general.
If you are a Physical Therapist right now working in Europe/Germany,
what would you have to do to be able to settle over to the US and work
here?
Nov 14th 2002, 4:35 am
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Re: Shortage of nurses in the US
Come up with $20,000 for moving and lawyer green card expense.......
"Dan Abicht" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 12 Nov 2002 13:01:46 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
> >The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
> >-------------------------------
> >Schedule A Occupations
> >
> >The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
> >determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
> >able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed
> >below on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of
> >United States workers similarly employed will not be adversely
> >affected by the employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
> >
> >Group I:
> >(1) Persons who will be employed as physical therapists, and who
> >possess all the qualifications necessary to take the physical
> >therapist licensing examination in the State in which they propose to
> >practice physical therapy.
> >(2) Aliens who will be employed as professional nurses; and (i) who
> >have passed the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools
> >(CGFNS) Examination; or (ii) who hold a full and unrestricted license
> >to practice professional nursing in the State of intended employment.
> >(3) Definitions of Group I occupations:
> > i. "Physical therapist" means a person who applies the art and
> >science of physical therapy to the treatment of patients with
> >disabilities, disorders and injuries to relieve pain, develop or
> >restore function, and maintain performance, using physical means, such
> >as exercise, massage, heat, water, light, and electricity, as
> >prescribed by a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse"
> >is defined in Sec. 656.50.
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> >only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
> >etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
> >classified/grouped in general.
> If you are a Physical Therapist right now working in Europe/Germany,
> what would you have to do to be able to settle over to the US and work
> here?
"Dan Abicht" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 12 Nov 2002 13:01:46 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
> >The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
> >-------------------------------
> >Schedule A Occupations
> >
> >The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
> >determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
> >able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed
> >below on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of
> >United States workers similarly employed will not be adversely
> >affected by the employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
> >
> >Group I:
> >(1) Persons who will be employed as physical therapists, and who
> >possess all the qualifications necessary to take the physical
> >therapist licensing examination in the State in which they propose to
> >practice physical therapy.
> >(2) Aliens who will be employed as professional nurses; and (i) who
> >have passed the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools
> >(CGFNS) Examination; or (ii) who hold a full and unrestricted license
> >to practice professional nursing in the State of intended employment.
> >(3) Definitions of Group I occupations:
> > i. "Physical therapist" means a person who applies the art and
> >science of physical therapy to the treatment of patients with
> >disabilities, disorders and injuries to relieve pain, develop or
> >restore function, and maintain performance, using physical means, such
> >as exercise, massage, heat, water, light, and electricity, as
> >prescribed by a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse"
> >is defined in Sec. 656.50.
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> >only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
> >etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
> >classified/grouped in general.
> If you are a Physical Therapist right now working in Europe/Germany,
> what would you have to do to be able to settle over to the US and work
> here?
Nov 14th 2002, 10:40 am
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Re: Shortage of nurses in the US
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> > prescribed by a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse"
> > is defined in Sec. 656.50.
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> > only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
> > etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
> > classified/grouped in general.
> I found Section 656.50 but it doesn't define "Professional nurse."
> What am I missing here?
> ------------------------
> [Code of Federal Regulations]
> [Title 20, Volume 3]
> [Revised as of April 1, 2002]
> From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
> [CITE: 20CFR656.50]
> [Page 694-695]
> TITLE 20--EMPLOYEES' BENEFITS
I think that the reference to 656.50 is outdated, and it should have been
removed from the section. 22 CFR section 656.10(a)(2) and 22 CFR section
656.22(c)(2) give relevant information. See
http://www.ncsbn.org/public/regulati...sing_board.htm for
information about professional nursing licenses.
Schedule A Group I applies only to RNs and physical therapists.
news:[email protected]...
> > prescribed by a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse"
> > is defined in Sec. 656.50.
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> > only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
> > etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
> > classified/grouped in general.
> I found Section 656.50 but it doesn't define "Professional nurse."
> What am I missing here?
> ------------------------
> [Code of Federal Regulations]
> [Title 20, Volume 3]
> [Revised as of April 1, 2002]
> From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
> [CITE: 20CFR656.50]
> [Page 694-695]
> TITLE 20--EMPLOYEES' BENEFITS
I think that the reference to 656.50 is outdated, and it should have been
removed from the section. 22 CFR section 656.10(a)(2) and 22 CFR section
656.22(c)(2) give relevant information. See
http://www.ncsbn.org/public/regulati...sing_board.htm for
information about professional nursing licenses.
Schedule A Group I applies only to RNs and physical therapists.
Nov 14th 2002, 11:32 am
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Re: Shortage of nurses in the US
"mared13" wrote in message
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> Come up with $20,000 for moving and lawyer green card expense.......
> "Dan Abicht" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 12 Nov 2002 13:01:46 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > >The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
> > >-------------------------------
> > >Schedule A Occupations
> > >Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> > >only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
> > >etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
> > >classified/grouped in general.
> > If you are a Physical Therapist right now working in Europe/Germany,
> > what would you have to do to be able to settle over to the US and work
> > here?
mared13 may be right, but first you have to get a state license in the U.S.
(see http://www.fsbpt.org/), and a job offer from an employer. With the job
offer you can get an H-1B visa, enter the U.S. and obtain H-1B status, and
start working.
Then your employer can start an employment-based permanent residence
process. You will have to get section 343 certification as a health care
worker in one of seven designated categories.
See http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/pu...ets/healfs.htm,
http://www.fccpt.org/forapplicants.html,
http://www.shusterman.com/toc-rn.html
news:[email protected]...
> Come up with $20,000 for moving and lawyer green card expense.......
> "Dan Abicht" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 12 Nov 2002 13:01:46 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > >The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
> > >-------------------------------
> > >Schedule A Occupations
> > >Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> > >only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
> > >etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
> > >classified/grouped in general.
> > If you are a Physical Therapist right now working in Europe/Germany,
> > what would you have to do to be able to settle over to the US and work
> > here?
mared13 may be right, but first you have to get a state license in the U.S.
(see http://www.fsbpt.org/), and a job offer from an employer. With the job
offer you can get an H-1B visa, enter the U.S. and obtain H-1B status, and
start working.
Then your employer can start an employment-based permanent residence
process. You will have to get section 343 certification as a health care
worker in one of seven designated categories.
See http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/pu...ets/healfs.htm,
http://www.fccpt.org/forapplicants.html,
http://www.shusterman.com/toc-rn.html
Nov 14th 2002, 12:39 pm
#12
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Re: Shortage of nurses in the US
Don't let anyone fool you. There is NO shortage of nurses in the US for the
right price.
I have many friends who are qualified, experienced and licensed nurses and
many of them cannot find work. The only reason foreign nurses are hires is
because the hospital can pay them less than American citizens. It's the
same thing with I.T. and it's the same thing with any other profession
that's filled with H-1B's.
wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
> -------------------------------
> Schedule A Occupations
> The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
> determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
> able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed
> below on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of
> United States workers similarly employed will not be adversely
> affected by the employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
> Group I:
> (1) Persons who will be employed as physical therapists, and who
> possess all the qualifications necessary to take the physical
> therapist licensing examination in the State in which they propose to
> practice physical therapy.
> (2) Aliens who will be employed as professional nurses; and (i) who
> have passed the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools
> (CGFNS) Examination; or (ii) who hold a full and unrestricted license
> to practice professional nursing in the State of intended employment.
> (3) Definitions of Group I occupations:
> i. "Physical therapist" means a person who applies the art and
> science of physical therapy to the treatment of patients with
> disabilities, disorders and injuries to relieve pain, develop or
> restore function, and maintain performance, using physical means, such
> as exercise, massage, heat, water, light, and electricity, as
> prescribed by a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse"
> is defined in Sec. 656.50.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
> etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
> classified/grouped in general.
right price.
I have many friends who are qualified, experienced and licensed nurses and
many of them cannot find work. The only reason foreign nurses are hires is
because the hospital can pay them less than American citizens. It's the
same thing with I.T. and it's the same thing with any other profession
that's filled with H-1B's.
wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The following is an excerpt from an immigration website:
> -------------------------------
> Schedule A Occupations
> The Director, United States Employment Service (Director), has
> determined that there are not sufficient United States workers who are
> able, willing, qualified, and available for the occupations listed
> below on Schedule A and that the wages and working conditions of
> United States workers similarly employed will not be adversely
> affected by the employment of aliens in Schedule A occupations.
> Group I:
> (1) Persons who will be employed as physical therapists, and who
> possess all the qualifications necessary to take the physical
> therapist licensing examination in the State in which they propose to
> practice physical therapy.
> (2) Aliens who will be employed as professional nurses; and (i) who
> have passed the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools
> (CGFNS) Examination; or (ii) who hold a full and unrestricted license
> to practice professional nursing in the State of intended employment.
> (3) Definitions of Group I occupations:
> i. "Physical therapist" means a person who applies the art and
> science of physical therapy to the treatment of patients with
> disabilities, disorders and injuries to relieve pain, develop or
> restore function, and maintain performance, using physical means, such
> as exercise, massage, heat, water, light, and electricity, as
> prescribed by a physician (or surgeon). ii. "Professional nurse"
> is defined in Sec. 656.50.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Question: Regarding the shortage of nurses in the US, does that apply
> only to RN's? What other licences such as LVN, LPT, CNA, RT, HHA,
> etc.? I'm not familiar with how nursing licences are
> classified/grouped in general.
Nov 14th 2002, 1:05 pm
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Re: Shortage of nurses in the US
James Donovan wrote:
> Don't let anyone fool you. There is NO shortage of nurses in
> the US for the right price.
> I have many friends who are qualified, experienced and
> licensed nurses and many of them cannot find work.
Send them to South Carolina. You could have fooled me; we sure
seem to have a shortage on my floor.
--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
[email protected]
http://www.mortimerschnerd.com
> Don't let anyone fool you. There is NO shortage of nurses in
> the US for the right price.
> I have many friends who are qualified, experienced and
> licensed nurses and many of them cannot find work.
Send them to South Carolina. You could have fooled me; we sure
seem to have a shortage on my floor.
--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
[email protected]
http://www.mortimerschnerd.com
Nov 14th 2002, 1:47 pm
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Re: Shortage of nurses in the US
Right to work state,piss poor wages and bennies, no job security, no
pensions.... plus former slave state war losers ( Jessy Helms )..... and
that's why N.C. sucks for RNs new hires......... asshole
"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
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> James Donovan wrote:
> > Don't let anyone fool you. There is NO shortage of nurses in
> > the US for the right price.
> >
> > I have many friends who are qualified, experienced and
> > licensed nurses and many of them cannot find work.
> Send them to South Carolina. You could have fooled me; we sure
> seem to have a shortage on my floor.
> --
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN
> [email protected]
> http://www.mortimerschnerd.com
pensions.... plus former slave state war losers ( Jessy Helms )..... and
that's why N.C. sucks for RNs new hires......... asshole
"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> James Donovan wrote:
> > Don't let anyone fool you. There is NO shortage of nurses in
> > the US for the right price.
> >
> > I have many friends who are qualified, experienced and
> > licensed nurses and many of them cannot find work.
> Send them to South Carolina. You could have fooled me; we sure
> seem to have a shortage on my floor.
> --
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN
> [email protected]
> http://www.mortimerschnerd.com
Nov 14th 2002, 1:51 pm
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Re: Shortage of nurses in the US
James Donovan wrote:
>
> Don't let anyone fool you. There is NO shortage of nurses in the US for the
> right price.
>
> I have many friends who are qualified, experienced and licensed nurses and
> many of them cannot find work. The only reason foreign nurses are hires is
> because the hospital can pay them less than American citizens. It's the
> same thing with I.T. and it's the same thing with any other profession
> that's filled with H-1B's.
>
It's the same thing with physical therapists, too. Thousands of
American physical therapists throughout the USA were laid off between
1998-2000 due to the effects of the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 on
Medicare funding. All that time, rehab companies were merrily importing
foreign PTs.
>
> Don't let anyone fool you. There is NO shortage of nurses in the US for the
> right price.
>
> I have many friends who are qualified, experienced and licensed nurses and
> many of them cannot find work. The only reason foreign nurses are hires is
> because the hospital can pay them less than American citizens. It's the
> same thing with I.T. and it's the same thing with any other profession
> that's filled with H-1B's.
>
It's the same thing with physical therapists, too. Thousands of
American physical therapists throughout the USA were laid off between
1998-2000 due to the effects of the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 on
Medicare funding. All that time, rehab companies were merrily importing
foreign PTs.
