RFE Matthew Udall
Apr 1st 2004, 9:37 am
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RFE Matthew Udall
Matt,
You seem to have a pretty good idea of how Missouri Service Center operates. Do you know once we send the RFE what exactly happens at MSC? Looks like in most K-3 cases, after MSC received the response it is taking more time than it would normally take for a new application. With few exceptions, generally it is taking more than 2 months for them to act on a file that had an RFE. Does it mean the cases with RFE are simply over looked or they have a different priority? Once MSC receives response for an RFE, one would expect the case to be resolved pretty fast rather than waiting for months. Any explanation would greatly appreciated, thanks.
You seem to have a pretty good idea of how Missouri Service Center operates. Do you know once we send the RFE what exactly happens at MSC? Looks like in most K-3 cases, after MSC received the response it is taking more time than it would normally take for a new application. With few exceptions, generally it is taking more than 2 months for them to act on a file that had an RFE. Does it mean the cases with RFE are simply over looked or they have a different priority? Once MSC receives response for an RFE, one would expect the case to be resolved pretty fast rather than waiting for months. Any explanation would greatly appreciated, thanks.
Apr 4th 2004, 4:57 am
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Re: RFE Matthew Udall
Originally posted by reddy888
Matt,
You seem to have a pretty good idea of how Missouri Service Center operates. Do you know once we send the RFE what exactly happens at MSC? Looks like in most K-3 cases, after MSC received the response it is taking more time than it would normally take for a new application. With few exceptions, generally it is taking more than 2 months for them to act on a file that had an RFE. Does it mean the cases with RFE are simply over looked or they have a different priority? Once MSC receives response for an RFE, one would expect the case to be resolved pretty fast rather than waiting for months. Any explanation would greatly appreciated, thanks.
Matt,
You seem to have a pretty good idea of how Missouri Service Center operates. Do you know once we send the RFE what exactly happens at MSC? Looks like in most K-3 cases, after MSC received the response it is taking more time than it would normally take for a new application. With few exceptions, generally it is taking more than 2 months for them to act on a file that had an RFE. Does it mean the cases with RFE are simply over looked or they have a different priority? Once MSC receives response for an RFE, one would expect the case to be resolved pretty fast rather than waiting for months. Any explanation would greatly appreciated, thanks.
I dont know if this helps (lol). Thought I'd share my RFE experience. Good luck!
Apr 5th 2004, 12:22 am
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Re: RFE Matthew Udall
we got a rfe dec 19,2003 and turned it back in and they posted it to
the web jan6,2004 and we was approved april 1,2004 if that helps yu
out any with a timeline.so basically almost the full 90 includes
week-end.good luck with yur case
the web jan6,2004 and we was approved april 1,2004 if that helps yu
out any with a timeline.so basically almost the full 90 includes
week-end.good luck with yur case
Apr 5th 2004, 2:36 am
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Re: RFE Matthew Udall
reddy888 <member22538@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Looks like in most K-3 cases, after MSC received the response
> it is taking more time than it would normally take for a new
> application.
My ????? CONSPIRACY THEORY ????? is that the service centers have
received a directive to cut down on the backlog of applications
waiting to be processed. Sending an RFE on an application debits it
from this backlog, so that is why they might be really picky these
days. It might take only 2 or 3 minutes to find one small mistake in
order to give it an RFE status, while a perfect application requires
15 to 30 minutes to process. Obviously a stack of applications can be
processed a lot faster if there are a lot that can be put in the RFE
stack. Since they're waiting for your response to an RFE'd
application, it's no longer a backlog or active for the time being.
That means that their backlog is smaller. CHA-CHING!
Since RFE'd documents with a response aren't part of the numbers
they're trying to address, it gets put aside while they process
applications targeted, so it doesn't help them any to waste time on
anything that doesn't cut down on their backlog targets. As a result,
RFE'd applications get shunted to a lower priority process. It could
be a case of unintended consequences with well-meaning management
directives.
One might argue that going ape on making a lot of RFE's only makes for
a bigger backlog in the future when responses come in, but since when
does any large organization see further than this quarter's results?
Of course I pulled all this information out of my butt, but at least
this theory didn't involve aliens, Elvis, the CIA plot to kill JFK,
and the mysterious Area 51! Speaking of which, what exactly are they
hiding there anyway?
-Derrick
> Looks like in most K-3 cases, after MSC received the response
> it is taking more time than it would normally take for a new
> application.
My ????? CONSPIRACY THEORY ????? is that the service centers have
received a directive to cut down on the backlog of applications
waiting to be processed. Sending an RFE on an application debits it
from this backlog, so that is why they might be really picky these
days. It might take only 2 or 3 minutes to find one small mistake in
order to give it an RFE status, while a perfect application requires
15 to 30 minutes to process. Obviously a stack of applications can be
processed a lot faster if there are a lot that can be put in the RFE
stack. Since they're waiting for your response to an RFE'd
application, it's no longer a backlog or active for the time being.
That means that their backlog is smaller. CHA-CHING!
Since RFE'd documents with a response aren't part of the numbers
they're trying to address, it gets put aside while they process
applications targeted, so it doesn't help them any to waste time on
anything that doesn't cut down on their backlog targets. As a result,
RFE'd applications get shunted to a lower priority process. It could
be a case of unintended consequences with well-meaning management
directives.
One might argue that going ape on making a lot of RFE's only makes for
a bigger backlog in the future when responses come in, but since when
does any large organization see further than this quarter's results?
Of course I pulled all this information out of my butt, but at least
this theory didn't involve aliens, Elvis, the CIA plot to kill JFK,
and the mysterious Area 51! Speaking of which, what exactly are they
hiding there anyway?
-Derrick
Apr 5th 2004, 5:28 am
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Re: RFE Matthew Udall
Originally posted by Derrick Williams
reddy888 <member22538@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Looks like in most K-3 cases, after MSC received the response
> it is taking more time than it would normally take for a new
> application.
My ????? CONSPIRACY THEORY ????? is that the service centers have
received a directive to cut down on the backlog of applications
waiting to be processed. Sending an RFE on an application debits it
from this backlog, so that is why they might be really picky these
days. It might take only 2 or 3 minutes to find one small mistake in
order to give it an RFE status, while a perfect application requires
15 to 30 minutes to process. Obviously a stack of applications can be
processed a lot faster if there are a lot that can be put in the RFE
stack. Since they're waiting for your response to an RFE'd
application, it's no longer a backlog or active for the time being.
That means that their backlog is smaller. CHA-CHING!
Since RFE'd documents with a response aren't part of the numbers
they're trying to address, it gets put aside while they process
applications targeted, so it doesn't help them any to waste time on
anything that doesn't cut down on their backlog targets. As a result,
RFE'd applications get shunted to a lower priority process. It could
be a case of unintended consequences with well-meaning management
directives.
One might argue that going ape on making a lot of RFE's only makes for
a bigger backlog in the future when responses come in, but since when
does any large organization see further than this quarter's results?
Of course I pulled all this information out of my butt, but at least
this theory didn't involve aliens, Elvis, the CIA plot to kill JFK,
and the mysterious Area 51! Speaking of which, what exactly are they
hiding there anyway?
-Derrick
reddy888 <member22538@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Looks like in most K-3 cases, after MSC received the response
> it is taking more time than it would normally take for a new
> application.
My ????? CONSPIRACY THEORY ????? is that the service centers have
received a directive to cut down on the backlog of applications
waiting to be processed. Sending an RFE on an application debits it
from this backlog, so that is why they might be really picky these
days. It might take only 2 or 3 minutes to find one small mistake in
order to give it an RFE status, while a perfect application requires
15 to 30 minutes to process. Obviously a stack of applications can be
processed a lot faster if there are a lot that can be put in the RFE
stack. Since they're waiting for your response to an RFE'd
application, it's no longer a backlog or active for the time being.
That means that their backlog is smaller. CHA-CHING!
Since RFE'd documents with a response aren't part of the numbers
they're trying to address, it gets put aside while they process
applications targeted, so it doesn't help them any to waste time on
anything that doesn't cut down on their backlog targets. As a result,
RFE'd applications get shunted to a lower priority process. It could
be a case of unintended consequences with well-meaning management
directives.
One might argue that going ape on making a lot of RFE's only makes for
a bigger backlog in the future when responses come in, but since when
does any large organization see further than this quarter's results?
Of course I pulled all this information out of my butt, but at least
this theory didn't involve aliens, Elvis, the CIA plot to kill JFK,
and the mysterious Area 51! Speaking of which, what exactly are they
hiding there anyway?
-Derrick
Apr 5th 2004, 11:49 am
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Re: RFE Matthew Udall
Originally posted by Derrick Williams
It might take only 2 or 3 minutes to find one small mistake in
order to give it an RFE status, while a perfect application requires
15 to 30 minutes to process.
It might take only 2 or 3 minutes to find one small mistake in
order to give it an RFE status, while a perfect application requires
15 to 30 minutes to process.
And I think it takes more along the lines of 5 minutes to approve a well documented and properly prepared case fiancée petition. The Director of the NSC once told me that IBIS had the effect of "doubling" the amount of time (sometimes even more than doubling) it takes an officer to do a case (in his example, he said lets assume it would take an officer 5 minutes to adjudicate a case, and if IBIS adds 5 minutes, then it doubled the amount of staff time required in doing these cases). He based his figures (how much of an impact IBIS had on processing times and in increasing the backlog) on how long it normally takes them to process a typical case and do a typical IBIS check.
