Refusing to give a DNA sample.
Dec 1st 2008, 11:10 am
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Refusing to give a DNA sample.
Will the latest police abuses in the UK, it got me to wondering. What would happen if you refused to give a DNA sample?
I know under European law they can't compel you to give a DNA sample. If they tried to take one using force, could you defend yourself and then sue them?
I know under European law they can't compel you to give a DNA sample. If they tried to take one using force, could you defend yourself and then sue them?
Dec 1st 2008, 11:14 am
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Re: Refusing to give a DNA sample.
Will the latest police abuses in the UK, it got me to wondering. What would happen if you refused to give a DNA sample?
I know under European law they can't compel you to give a DNA sample. If they tried to take one using force, could you defend yourself and then sue them?
I know under European law they can't compel you to give a DNA sample. If they tried to take one using force, could you defend yourself and then sue them?
Dec 1st 2008, 11:24 am
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Re: Refusing to give a DNA sample.
Huh? So this MP refuses to give a sample, therefore he's guilty of being a mole?
Heh, heh.
Heh, heh.
Dec 1st 2008, 11:45 am
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Re: Refusing to give a DNA sample.
They had this on an episode of 'The Bill' once - a couple of burly coppers held the bloke down and they pulled a couple of hairs from his head.
I get all my legal advice from old cop shows.
I get all my legal advice from old cop shows.
Dec 1st 2008, 12:53 pm
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Re: Refusing to give a DNA sample.
Generally in the US DNA samples can be compelled without it being a violation of the 4th (unreasonable search / warrants) or 5th (self incrimination) amendments. But this generally applies only to prisoners or people in questioning. I suppose it is just a matter of time before everyone has to comply (GATTACA anyone?).
Dec 1st 2008, 12:58 pm
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Re: Refusing to give a DNA sample.
If you've done nothing wrong then you've got nothing to worry about, the same goes for CCTV.
If you have done something wrong....you should have been smarter.
If you have done something wrong....you should have been smarter.
Dec 1st 2008, 1:03 pm
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Re: Refusing to give a DNA sample.
Oh, I very much disagree MrEmjoy. That is the most asinine argument for something I have ever heard. That honestly makes me shudder in frustration whenever someone says that.
Dec 1st 2008, 1:11 pm
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Re: Refusing to give a DNA sample.
Also, that Menezes kid was innocent and had nothing to hide, yet he was summarily and extra-judicially executed.
Dec 1st 2008, 1:17 pm
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Re: Refusing to give a DNA sample.
Well why don't you flush 800 years or so of hard won rights down the kazi? Doesn't really seem the most intelligent thing to do, does it? And they're not yours to give away, anyway, so keep your stinkin' hands off 'em.
Dec 1st 2008, 1:27 pm
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Re: Refusing to give a DNA sample.
Will the latest police abuses in the UK, it got me to wondering. What would happen if you refused to give a DNA sample?
I know under European law they can't compel you to give a DNA sample. If they tried to take one using force, could you defend yourself and then sue them?
I know under European law they can't compel you to give a DNA sample. If they tried to take one using force, could you defend yourself and then sue them?
Dec 1st 2008, 1:29 pm
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Re: Refusing to give a DNA sample.
Dec 1st 2008, 1:32 pm
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Re: Refusing to give a DNA sample.
Erm, what does that ^^ have to do with a crime being commited?
You'll have to do better than that, if you've done nothing wrong then you've got nothign to worry about...
But if, for theories sake, we 'imagine' that some police officers are imoral and unjust and may try to fit people up to a crime...then ok.
You'll have to do better than that, if you've done nothing wrong then you've got nothign to worry about...
But if, for theories sake, we 'imagine' that some police officers are imoral and unjust and may try to fit people up to a crime...then ok.
Dec 1st 2008, 1:32 pm
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Re: Refusing to give a DNA sample.
Yes! Chalk one up for justice.
\ Mum and Dad work the police.
\\ Hate bent coppers.
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\ Mum and Dad work the police.
\\ Hate bent coppers.
\\\ Hate their puppet masters more.
\\\\ Freedom and liberty are absolutes.
