NSC test pilot program - K1
May 31st 2003, 8:16 am
#16
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Originally posted by ScottHenshaw
Just as there is no doubt that we are all angry and bitter over the whole deal, it is always nice to hear from others in the forum and I personaly have never once felt that Rohit wasted anyones time.
Just as there is no doubt that we are all angry and bitter over the whole deal, it is always nice to hear from others in the forum and I personaly have never once felt that Rohit wasted anyones time.
My point was not to chastise Rohit (because I’m not, and its OK to want the cases to go as fast as possible). My point was that if people actually knew not to base their expectations on inaccurate numbers on receipt notices and on the on-line status checking page, and if they instead simply monitored the reports that “do� come from the service centers to get a more accurate idea as to whether or not their case had been assigned to an officer yet, then perhaps people would not end up being so angry and bitter over the whole deal. If you and Rohit suffered during this process, I believe that suffering could have been reduced by simply having access to truthful and accurate information that "IS OUT THERE" right now... the reports the service centers themselves issue (Although again, some people would rather turn a blind eye to this information, don’t want to believe, would rather stew in their own anger, and would rather cling to those bogus numbers and try to characterize the numbers as some sort of promise by the BCIS).
The anger and bitterness I see is usually related to complaints that they were “expecting� a certain turn around time based on the numbers that we all know should not be relied upon. So help them improve their quality of life while they are waiting and help them understand the realities that the numbers on the receipt notices and on-line status checking page are not worth the ink and electrons used to make them, and that the reports that actually “do� come from the service centers should be used to determine 1) if the case has been given to an officer yet, and 2), if its overdue yet.
There are very few reasons to contact anybody until the case is overdue, and I see over and over again people getting frustrated and angry because they are not getting anywhere with their efforts made “before the case is overdue�. Before it’s overdue, its simply waiting its turn behind someone else’s case who is also waiting and who happened to file earlier in time. Just like the Service Center Staff themselves say, it wouldn’t be fair to bump someone’s case up in the line just because they yelled the loudest.
So the thing to do is just sit back and relax, correspond with your fiancée and live your life without fixating on the calendar. We all knew that it was going to take "some time" anyway, and I don’t believe many expect it to be approved the day after it arrives at the Service Center (and yes, I know the service centers work at different speeds depending on work load and other factors… that’s life). The case will be processed when its turn comes up, and the reports that come from the centers help us know when a case's turn comes up. Staring at the pot won't make it boil any faster.
I’ll bet having that knowledge would even help reduce the stress that might build up between the couple as I’m sure one party is put in the position of having to try to explain why their government is not living up to the meaningless numbers on the notices.
Back to off topic stuff: Apparently, a situation came up yesterday that will prevent my singer from participating in this Sunday’s benefit concert, so if you are in the area and were thinking of dropping by, you still can but I won’t be playing that day after all. It’s just one show and it’s not the end of the world.
M.U.
Last edited by Matthew Udall; May 31st 2003 at 8:34 am.
May 31st 2003, 7:39 pm
#17
Scott and Nanette
Joined: Feb 2003
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 759
During the process, I don't think that I really suffered, as I continued to live my life, put my pants on one leg at a time and wake up every morning to a fresh cup of coffee. I always knew that their would be an end and despite some worries about my past criminal issues, I was really never all that worried that I would be denied. An actual denial on a I-129f seems to be pretty rare. I don't actually remember ever seeing one posted.
I most certainly do not have all the answers as how to fix the problem with the service centers. Honestly, now that I am apporved, I will not make it my life mission to try, I really just want to live me life, get married and continue to wake up every morning to a fresh cup of coffee and put my pants on one leg at a time. It seems like a lot of people harbor a great after-the-fact hatred for the service centers. There can be no doubt that the process and system is corrupt, wrong and in need of reform. I feel that the best way for anyone to understand this is to go through it themselves. I realize that not everyone would be interested in dating in another country for the sole purpose of understanding the INS/BCIS. However, I am sure that one can think of many analogies that pertain. Here is one that I thought of while listening to Johnny Cash, perhaps you can put a nice little jingle on it as you read:
You find a lump on your testicle or breast, (Depending on what sex you are or were). You find out through your companies health care plan that you can only see one clinic in your area, no other choices. You co pay $110. The doctor does his/her thing and tells you that the lab results will come back in 70-100 days. Not much you can do, and you are adviced not to call until after you are considered overdue. Three months no problem.... half way into it you find out, not from the doctors office but view an online forum that the clinic has now changed the wait time to 150-180 days without even telling you. Calling does no good and you are worried about your jimmies having to come off. When you call the clinic you are treated like a lepar, get a variety of answers when you do get through to the clinic. To make it worse you find out that there are other clinics that are processing results in two weeks. 142, 220, 200+ days pass and you get the test results back saying, NOA2 Approved, "now deal with the surgeon.... By the way they are just as ****ed up as we are, sucka!"
Other good ones, everyone join in:
DMV...
IRS...
Long lines at the Post Office...
Midget Porn, twice the price - not half off...
Getting outbid on eBay with 3 seconds left on auction...
knowing that even though you are approved, you are still a forum junky...
Was that a lump in the milk that expired yesterday... last week... last month?
Will I wake up tomorrow to a fresh cup of coffee or in a padded room somewhere with people in white suits that look like the two guys from, "Men in Black" asking me for my NOA2 and Johnny Cash CD?
Maybe I did suffer a little...
Scott
I most certainly do not have all the answers as how to fix the problem with the service centers. Honestly, now that I am apporved, I will not make it my life mission to try, I really just want to live me life, get married and continue to wake up every morning to a fresh cup of coffee and put my pants on one leg at a time. It seems like a lot of people harbor a great after-the-fact hatred for the service centers. There can be no doubt that the process and system is corrupt, wrong and in need of reform. I feel that the best way for anyone to understand this is to go through it themselves. I realize that not everyone would be interested in dating in another country for the sole purpose of understanding the INS/BCIS. However, I am sure that one can think of many analogies that pertain. Here is one that I thought of while listening to Johnny Cash, perhaps you can put a nice little jingle on it as you read:
You find a lump on your testicle or breast, (Depending on what sex you are or were). You find out through your companies health care plan that you can only see one clinic in your area, no other choices. You co pay $110. The doctor does his/her thing and tells you that the lab results will come back in 70-100 days. Not much you can do, and you are adviced not to call until after you are considered overdue. Three months no problem.... half way into it you find out, not from the doctors office but view an online forum that the clinic has now changed the wait time to 150-180 days without even telling you. Calling does no good and you are worried about your jimmies having to come off. When you call the clinic you are treated like a lepar, get a variety of answers when you do get through to the clinic. To make it worse you find out that there are other clinics that are processing results in two weeks. 142, 220, 200+ days pass and you get the test results back saying, NOA2 Approved, "now deal with the surgeon.... By the way they are just as ****ed up as we are, sucka!"
Other good ones, everyone join in:
DMV...
IRS...
Long lines at the Post Office...
Midget Porn, twice the price - not half off...
Getting outbid on eBay with 3 seconds left on auction...
knowing that even though you are approved, you are still a forum junky...
Was that a lump in the milk that expired yesterday... last week... last month?
Will I wake up tomorrow to a fresh cup of coffee or in a padded room somewhere with people in white suits that look like the two guys from, "Men in Black" asking me for my NOA2 and Johnny Cash CD?
Maybe I did suffer a little...
Scott
Last edited by ScottHenshaw; May 31st 2003 at 7:42 pm.
May 31st 2003, 9:07 pm
#18
Just around the next bend
Joined: Sep 2002
Location: Missouri
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Originally posted by ScottHenshaw
During the process, I don't think that I really suffered, as I continued to live my life, put my pants on one leg at a time and wake up every morning to a fresh cup of coffee. I always knew that their would be an end and despite some worries about my past criminal issues, I was really never all that worried that I would be denied. An actual denial on a I-129f seems to be pretty rare. I don't actually remember ever seeing one posted.
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Scott
During the process, I don't think that I really suffered, as I continued to live my life, put my pants on one leg at a time and wake up every morning to a fresh cup of coffee. I always knew that their would be an end and despite some worries about my past criminal issues, I was really never all that worried that I would be denied. An actual denial on a I-129f seems to be pretty rare. I don't actually remember ever seeing one posted.
<snip>
Scott
Denials are rare, I am sure. But I have read of one just this week. As you may have seen on another thread, my fiance Kurt attended the protest at TSC on 23rd May, and another protester, who was on 211 days, had a promise from the TSC director that his case would be looked at. The result of this is that he has had his notice of rejection. You can read about it here:
http://pub99.ezboard.com/fk1advocacy...opicID=6.topic
Debbie
Jun 2nd 2003, 4:06 am
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I would say this. That if I knew then what I know now...I would not have done as much. It was the uncertainty of it all. There was the case history of what happened in Texas; there was also the war looming just ahead. All of this plus what it means to be in an Indian arranged marriage - meaning that parents aren't willing to sit on a relationship forever and they want to see it happen as fast as it can.
All those things added up to wanting and trying to get it done faster. And it really didn't amount to much. I probably got more headaches by all the worrying and fussing.
But, it happened the way it had to happen. I coudln't have changed anything at the time. There were times when it was next to impossible in trying to convince sona that all would be fine and that this will work out in the end.
Honestly, if I could make the past 5 months much easier on myself...I would. But the way things were setup for me...there is no way that would have happened.
Rohit
All those things added up to wanting and trying to get it done faster. And it really didn't amount to much. I probably got more headaches by all the worrying and fussing.
But, it happened the way it had to happen. I coudln't have changed anything at the time. There were times when it was next to impossible in trying to convince sona that all would be fine and that this will work out in the end.
Honestly, if I could make the past 5 months much easier on myself...I would. But the way things were setup for me...there is no way that would have happened.
Rohit
Originally posted by Matthew Udall
Hi Scott,
My point was not to chastise Rohit (because I’m not, and its OK to want the cases to go as fast as possible). My point was that if people actually knew not to base their expectations on inaccurate numbers on receipt notices and on the on-line status checking page, and if they instead simply monitored the reports that “do� come from the service centers to get a more accurate idea as to whether or not their case had been assigned to an officer yet, then perhaps people would not end up being so angry and bitter over the whole deal. If you and Rohit suffered during this process, I believe that suffering could have been reduced by simply having access to truthful and accurate information that "IS OUT THERE" right now... the reports the service centers themselves issue (Although again, some people would rather turn a blind eye to this information, don’t want to believe, would rather stew in their own anger, and would rather cling to those bogus numbers and try to characterize the numbers as some sort of promise by the BCIS).
The anger and bitterness I see is usually related to complaints that they were “expecting� a certain turn around time based on the numbers that we all know should not be relied upon. So help them improve their quality of life while they are waiting and help them understand the realities that the numbers on the receipt notices and on-line status checking page are not worth the ink and electrons used to make them, and that the reports that actually “do� come from the service centers should be used to determine 1) if the case has been given to an officer yet, and 2), if its overdue yet.
There are very few reasons to contact anybody until the case is overdue, and I see over and over again people getting frustrated and angry because they are not getting anywhere with their efforts made “before the case is overdue�. Before it’s overdue, its simply waiting its turn behind someone else’s case who is also waiting and who happened to file earlier in time. Just like the Service Center Staff themselves say, it wouldn’t be fair to bump someone’s case up in the line just because they yelled the loudest.
So the thing to do is just sit back and relax, correspond with your fiancée and live your life without fixating on the calendar. We all knew that it was going to take "some time" anyway, and I don’t believe many expect it to be approved the day after it arrives at the Service Center (and yes, I know the service centers work at different speeds depending on work load and other factors… that’s life). The case will be processed when its turn comes up, and the reports that come from the centers help us know when a case's turn comes up. Staring at the pot won't make it boil any faster.
I’ll bet having that knowledge would even help reduce the stress that might build up between the couple as I’m sure one party is put in the position of having to try to explain why their government is not living up to the meaningless numbers on the notices.
Back to off topic stuff: Apparently, a situation came up yesterday that will prevent my singer from participating in this Sunday’s benefit concert, so if you are in the area and were thinking of dropping by, you still can but I won’t be playing that day after all. It’s just one show and it’s not the end of the world.
M.U.
Hi Scott,
My point was not to chastise Rohit (because I’m not, and its OK to want the cases to go as fast as possible). My point was that if people actually knew not to base their expectations on inaccurate numbers on receipt notices and on the on-line status checking page, and if they instead simply monitored the reports that “do� come from the service centers to get a more accurate idea as to whether or not their case had been assigned to an officer yet, then perhaps people would not end up being so angry and bitter over the whole deal. If you and Rohit suffered during this process, I believe that suffering could have been reduced by simply having access to truthful and accurate information that "IS OUT THERE" right now... the reports the service centers themselves issue (Although again, some people would rather turn a blind eye to this information, don’t want to believe, would rather stew in their own anger, and would rather cling to those bogus numbers and try to characterize the numbers as some sort of promise by the BCIS).
The anger and bitterness I see is usually related to complaints that they were “expecting� a certain turn around time based on the numbers that we all know should not be relied upon. So help them improve their quality of life while they are waiting and help them understand the realities that the numbers on the receipt notices and on-line status checking page are not worth the ink and electrons used to make them, and that the reports that actually “do� come from the service centers should be used to determine 1) if the case has been given to an officer yet, and 2), if its overdue yet.
There are very few reasons to contact anybody until the case is overdue, and I see over and over again people getting frustrated and angry because they are not getting anywhere with their efforts made “before the case is overdue�. Before it’s overdue, its simply waiting its turn behind someone else’s case who is also waiting and who happened to file earlier in time. Just like the Service Center Staff themselves say, it wouldn’t be fair to bump someone’s case up in the line just because they yelled the loudest.
So the thing to do is just sit back and relax, correspond with your fiancée and live your life without fixating on the calendar. We all knew that it was going to take "some time" anyway, and I don’t believe many expect it to be approved the day after it arrives at the Service Center (and yes, I know the service centers work at different speeds depending on work load and other factors… that’s life). The case will be processed when its turn comes up, and the reports that come from the centers help us know when a case's turn comes up. Staring at the pot won't make it boil any faster.
I’ll bet having that knowledge would even help reduce the stress that might build up between the couple as I’m sure one party is put in the position of having to try to explain why their government is not living up to the meaningless numbers on the notices.
Back to off topic stuff: Apparently, a situation came up yesterday that will prevent my singer from participating in this Sunday’s benefit concert, so if you are in the area and were thinking of dropping by, you still can but I won’t be playing that day after all. It’s just one show and it’s not the end of the world.
M.U.
Jun 2nd 2003, 4:14 am
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Yeah, that high didn't last more than a week or so. But it was really nice to see how the rest of the process is not that lenghty. It was also nice to see a good turnaround time from NVC. There are some people that get quite a lengthy wait at NVC as well.
But for sure the next high will be when she gets her visa and then comes to the US. Can't wait :-)
Rohit
But for sure the next high will be when she gets her visa and then comes to the US. Can't wait :-)
Rohit
Originally posted by mikkitango
Did you guys find that the "high" of the NOA2 didn't last a real long time?? The stress continues! We all have interview dates fairly close together and I'm sure they'll all go okay. I'm going to feel so much better once Stan and I are actually together, and I'm sure you folks will too. Rohit, I can really relate to you saying you feel beaten up, that's exactly how I feel!! All the paperwork and bureaucracy will be easier to deal with when we at least are together with our significant others. My mother always taught me not to wish my life away by always wishing for something in the future and I try very hard to live that way, looking forward to things, yes, but enjoying the here and now as well. Well... right now I feel so beaten up that I just want the next month over and done with!!! The stress right now is just too much!!
Scott, I want to thank you for your posts, they always make me smile!
Mikki
P.S. This was the first I'd heard of a test program at NSC, but it certainly explains how those few petitions flew right through there. Not fair in any way though - why wouldn't they at least have taken a consecutively dated group of petitions from the oldest time period?? *SIGH* I'll never understand!
Did you guys find that the "high" of the NOA2 didn't last a real long time?? The stress continues! We all have interview dates fairly close together and I'm sure they'll all go okay. I'm going to feel so much better once Stan and I are actually together, and I'm sure you folks will too. Rohit, I can really relate to you saying you feel beaten up, that's exactly how I feel!! All the paperwork and bureaucracy will be easier to deal with when we at least are together with our significant others. My mother always taught me not to wish my life away by always wishing for something in the future and I try very hard to live that way, looking forward to things, yes, but enjoying the here and now as well. Well... right now I feel so beaten up that I just want the next month over and done with!!! The stress right now is just too much!!
Scott, I want to thank you for your posts, they always make me smile!
Mikki
P.S. This was the first I'd heard of a test program at NSC, but it certainly explains how those few petitions flew right through there. Not fair in any way though - why wouldn't they at least have taken a consecutively dated group of petitions from the oldest time period?? *SIGH* I'll never understand!
Jun 2nd 2003, 6:23 am
#21
Just around the next bend
Joined: Sep 2002
Location: Missouri
Posts: 2,276
Originally posted by goya0002
Yeah, that high didn't last more than a week or so. But it was really nice to see how the rest of the process is not that lenghty. It was also nice to see a good turnaround time from NVC. There are some people that get quite a lengthy wait at NVC as well.
But for sure the next high will be when she gets her visa and then comes to the US. Can't wait :-)
Rohit
Yeah, that high didn't last more than a week or so. But it was really nice to see how the rest of the process is not that lenghty. It was also nice to see a good turnaround time from NVC. There are some people that get quite a lengthy wait at NVC as well.
But for sure the next high will be when she gets her visa and then comes to the US. Can't wait :-)
Rohit
Good luck to everyone, whichever stage in the process they are at
Debbie
Jun 2nd 2003, 7:19 am
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But surely the next 2 stages, from service center to NVC, then to the consulate, aren't as long, so surely not so nerve-wracking?
Jun 2nd 2003, 7:23 am
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Originally posted by dbark
Awwwwww... and here I am, hoping and waiting for the NOA2 to hurry up ... well actually, "hurry" would be a misnomer, LOL, seeing as it has already taken 123 days. Not as long as some, I know. But surely the next 2 stages, from service center to NVC, then to the consulate, aren't as long, so surely not so nerve-wracking? And Rohit, almost as nerve-wracking, is my worries that your adversary, Prof, will contribute to every thread that you do ....
Good luck to everyone, whichever stage in the process they are at
Debbie
Awwwwww... and here I am, hoping and waiting for the NOA2 to hurry up ... well actually, "hurry" would be a misnomer, LOL, seeing as it has already taken 123 days. Not as long as some, I know. But surely the next 2 stages, from service center to NVC, then to the consulate, aren't as long, so surely not so nerve-wracking? And Rohit, almost as nerve-wracking, is my worries that your adversary, Prof, will contribute to every thread that you do ....
Good luck to everyone, whichever stage in the process they are at
Debbie
Rohit
Jul 8th 2003, 5:17 am
#24
Scott and Nanette
Joined: Feb 2003
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Not true. I had lunch with the guy who started the thread. He lives near me, yet filed with Vermont.
Scott
Scott
Jul 8th 2003, 6:15 am
#25
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Location: Denver, CO
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you said this I think people forgot this fact already and my thread shows this. Anyway Nebraska is so slow lately that any news from NSC seems like a fairy tale
For example previous week we saw an explosion of approvals, but now I checked some of them and nothing. All oficers seem to go to vacation and process seems to be lasting for ages 
But it is nice to hear about success of others and I wish you and Nanette very fast process with getting a visa
Olenka
Jul 8th 2003, 6:23 am
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Hi Rohit,
I see that you are from India and also from Minnesota. I am also from India and from Minnesota(in Mpls) and want to bring my fiance over. I was wondering if you went through a lawyer for the fiance visa? Also what type of evidence of relationship etc did you send.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Drizzt
PS Sorry I tried using the send email to user feature but could not so have to have the entire group read this. My apologies all.
I see that you are from India and also from Minnesota. I am also from India and from Minnesota(in Mpls) and want to bring my fiance over. I was wondering if you went through a lawyer for the fiance visa? Also what type of evidence of relationship etc did you send.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Drizzt
PS Sorry I tried using the send email to user feature but could not so have to have the entire group read this. My apologies all.
Originally posted by goya0002
In a way he's like my groupy...he needs to follow me where I go and always be there like a pest :-) I didn't know I was so popular.
Rohit
In a way he's like my groupy...he needs to follow me where I go and always be there like a pest :-) I didn't know I was so popular.
Rohit
