New Commercial... time to brainwash the masses!
May 7th 2009, 12:20 pm
#31
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Re: New Commercial... time to brainwash the masses!
People who don't like nationalised healthcare seem to forget that you can go private and/or have medical insurance if you want.
Depends on how the system would be set up. If they mold it after the Canadian system then this would not be an option.
We dont have the ability to buy private insurance to go private treatment for anything covered under the universal system, if you want private treatment gotta fork over the cash in the US or Mexico or India etc.
Our private insurance companies only add coverage to fill in what the universal system does not cover. (dental, prescriptions etc.)
Depends on how the system would be set up. If they mold it after the Canadian system then this would not be an option.
We dont have the ability to buy private insurance to go private treatment for anything covered under the universal system, if you want private treatment gotta fork over the cash in the US or Mexico or India etc.
Our private insurance companies only add coverage to fill in what the universal system does not cover. (dental, prescriptions etc.)
May 7th 2009, 5:20 pm
#32
Septicity
Joined: May 2004
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Re: New Commercial... time to brainwash the masses!
What happened with other countries as they changed over is that their universal health care was firmly based on whatever was there before. I really could not see private medicine being outlawed in the US!
May 8th 2009, 2:32 pm
#33
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Re: New Commercial... time to brainwash the masses!
read through with interest, wondering why the doctors in the interview only said a snap bit each, me thinks that was all they could use after long interviews, as they seemed relaxed and not taking at the camera, I was a nurse in the UK and I can tell you waited 8 weeks for a NON emergancy cardiac op and when I say non emergancy I mean it I lived with the condition for 15 years before deciding to have it, and thats the point I weight up the benefits ect decided against it, after having twins it reared its little head again annoying before, now not so good as I had babies to look after and they can't wait 10 mins for mum to sort herself out! so I had it done, just phoned up the hospital, remember me from 5 years ago? 8 weeks later bish bash bosh job done! (5 years cos I had moved in the meantime but always let my local hospitals know I had this problem) as you can tell this was not life threatening just annoying, my neighbour who looses her health insurance next year for having the bad planning to actually get ill! and can't find another insurence company, also has 2 sons one with autisum and Cp the other paralised nerves in his eye, she has fought for over 3 years for the insurence company to pay for an operation! because it is not considered life threatening, but it was affecting his quality of life as he is failing behind at school at 6 because he can't concentrate his eye, she won in the end and he got an operation 2 weeks later!! my point? all the stress she had battling, she is a single mother! and what does her ex do? specialist in oncology! loads of money and believe me he is very generious to her, she admits that but A/ she could really afford the payment, 2 couldn't understand why she should given her leaval of insurence under her exs plan and 3 even he couldn't get them to change there minds over the 3 years!
and incase you think well they should just have paid for the cost of surgery 1/ why should they they pay med insurence for this
2/ she although has good payments from her hubby, when she losses her insurence next year between her and her son the bill come to over $2000 a month, and alot of their meds arn't covered by medicare, so she is saving like crazy
3/ her ex won't pay! for because of point 1!
I also with alot of other was involved in a major incident at home in the UK when a busload of mainly elderly Americans came off the road a few death at scene, and some terrable injuries, can you imagine what is going throught the mind of nurses and doctors in the UK when looking and injuries, sending for test, asking how they feel, who should we inform? and relatives of theirs had died! one man lost a wife and sister! all they can do is say, I can't find my insurence card it on the bus can someone retrieve it? and it didn't matter how much we tried to reassure them about this problem it was sending them skyhigh bloodpressures! and they had lost family friend where in pain but at that moment in the moment of life and death all they could think is where is my bloody med insurence card! and I am not trying to say they are selfish I am saying that that is how afraid normal Americans are of health insurence costs!
and incase you think well they should just have paid for the cost of surgery 1/ why should they they pay med insurence for this
2/ she although has good payments from her hubby, when she losses her insurence next year between her and her son the bill come to over $2000 a month, and alot of their meds arn't covered by medicare, so she is saving like crazy
3/ her ex won't pay! for because of point 1!
I also with alot of other was involved in a major incident at home in the UK when a busload of mainly elderly Americans came off the road a few death at scene, and some terrable injuries, can you imagine what is going throught the mind of nurses and doctors in the UK when looking and injuries, sending for test, asking how they feel, who should we inform? and relatives of theirs had died! one man lost a wife and sister! all they can do is say, I can't find my insurence card it on the bus can someone retrieve it? and it didn't matter how much we tried to reassure them about this problem it was sending them skyhigh bloodpressures! and they had lost family friend where in pain but at that moment in the moment of life and death all they could think is where is my bloody med insurence card! and I am not trying to say they are selfish I am saying that that is how afraid normal Americans are of health insurence costs!
May 9th 2009, 6:28 pm
#34
@matthewb76
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Re: New Commercial... time to brainwash the masses!
***I was rounded on by a female poster who said that she 'had dozens of friends in the uk - and every single one of them had literally been almost killed because of the national health service'***
Is that what they call American propaganda then? Is that what they preach to the eponymous masses over there then?
I am reminded of some story I heard being related on BBC Radio 4 by an American woman who was heavily pregnant when she came to the UK on her very first visit to this country. One fine sunny day she was walking along Oxford Street in London when she suddenly collapsed in considerable pain.
Police offers and passers by attended to her and an ambulance was called and arrived within ten minutes, and she was rushed off to hospital where serious complications set in which required a great deal of medical attention, and she was in hospital for several weeks. Her baby was delivered safely and the woman's condition steadily improved and she and her bairn were finally discharged.
All the while she was there she was not approached for payment by anyone at all and she was never aware of any checks being made at that time regarding eligibility, and she was amazed that nobody even mentioned payment for all the treatment she received, which, in her own words, was "magnificent". She could not praise the police, the public, the ambulance paramedic personnel, the doctors and the nurses highly enough.
When she got back to New York, USA, she sent a considerable payment to the hospital, or to the NHS direct, back in London, along with her profound gratitude for all the care and attention she had received from the moment she first collapsed on the hard pavement of Oxford Street to the time she passed through the exit door of the hospital.
I believe she wrote a book or at least a magazine article or something like that detailing everything that had happened to her in the UK on that occasion, so impressed was she with the way she was dealt with by all concerned, with special emphasis on the British National Health Service and all the staff with whom she came into contact.
You may well get full information on this case by googling around a wee bit.
People only hear the bad points about the NHS, which are far outweighed by the good points all said and done. That about sums up everything else in life and with human beings generally I reckon.....people are quick to whinge and whine when things go awry a wee bit, but invariably fail to acknowledge all the positives and plus points about anything really.
Is that what they call American propaganda then? Is that what they preach to the eponymous masses over there then?
I am reminded of some story I heard being related on BBC Radio 4 by an American woman who was heavily pregnant when she came to the UK on her very first visit to this country. One fine sunny day she was walking along Oxford Street in London when she suddenly collapsed in considerable pain.
Police offers and passers by attended to her and an ambulance was called and arrived within ten minutes, and she was rushed off to hospital where serious complications set in which required a great deal of medical attention, and she was in hospital for several weeks. Her baby was delivered safely and the woman's condition steadily improved and she and her bairn were finally discharged.
All the while she was there she was not approached for payment by anyone at all and she was never aware of any checks being made at that time regarding eligibility, and she was amazed that nobody even mentioned payment for all the treatment she received, which, in her own words, was "magnificent". She could not praise the police, the public, the ambulance paramedic personnel, the doctors and the nurses highly enough.
When she got back to New York, USA, she sent a considerable payment to the hospital, or to the NHS direct, back in London, along with her profound gratitude for all the care and attention she had received from the moment she first collapsed on the hard pavement of Oxford Street to the time she passed through the exit door of the hospital.
I believe she wrote a book or at least a magazine article or something like that detailing everything that had happened to her in the UK on that occasion, so impressed was she with the way she was dealt with by all concerned, with special emphasis on the British National Health Service and all the staff with whom she came into contact.
You may well get full information on this case by googling around a wee bit.
People only hear the bad points about the NHS, which are far outweighed by the good points all said and done. That about sums up everything else in life and with human beings generally I reckon.....people are quick to whinge and whine when things go awry a wee bit, but invariably fail to acknowledge all the positives and plus points about anything really.
