Petes Angel

[THEN find out it would be another 4-6 wees.. UGH...
So all of you who are going through this muck take a deep breath thin of

UGH.... DOH!!! My K button is persistantly sticking... I promise you dont have to wee 4-6 times to find out about your visa... <----horribly embarrassed.. but kinda funny... I heard the saying if you can laugh at yourself you will be amused for the rest of your life...

Im sure this has totally impressed Pete who probably has just spat his tea all over the screen reading this... Sorry love.. Just use some damp tissues and be careful not to get electracuted (sp) Great I respond to the list and my fiance dies due to a string of saliva coming in contact with electricals.... we may make the sunday paper afterall! Or he is requesting I never be allowed to post again.. :-)

Carla
Still hoping she is engaged to Pete :-* Mwahh

mrsstrickland

after i read your post, i posted the same question on another newsgroup and a lawyer replied and said it was possible i needed a I-212 waiver, whatever that is i dont know, if anyone knows anything about the 212 waiver please can you give me some info, im going to try and contact the embassy and see what they say, but i know they aint gonna give me any useful information that will help....

KimC

Now I'm worried. My husband tried to come for a visit in September. He was denied entry because he didn't have enough evidence showing that he intended to return to England. He was totally honest with them that he was only planning to stay for 4 weeks. He asked them if it was gonna mess up his getting his K3 Visa and they told him No. Does anyone think we have anything to worry about?

Scarlett

curiosity...

re all these people returned at the POE - who pays for the return flight? do
they bill you or pick up the tab themselves?

regards
-=-
scarlett

KimC

My husband had to use his return ticket since he obviously had a round trip ticket.

mrsstrickland

my husband had to pay my return ticket as the travel company let us buy a return ticket to the states, and they charged him more for my return flight that what they did for two return tickets to england and back to the states.

dee

Pete F

Kim.. was there anything written in his Passport?
Ie 212 (a) etc etc..
The INS may have not put anything in there but there may be something on the Computer..
At DTW, they photostated the last page of my passport . London currently has a copy of that report and photostat..

Mrtravel

Luckily, you are in much better shape than if you had overstayed by over
180 days.
Then you would be faced with a ban,

mrsstrickland wrote:
    >
    > I am so sorry to read this post, and also a little worried, i was denied
    > at the POE when i returned with my husband from our honeymoon and sent
    > back to the UK ( i overstayed 120days ), i was also devestated at that
    > point and i cant remember if i said i was going to adjust or try to gain
    > a visa while i was in the country and also i did mention to them while i
    > was being held that both me and my husband didnt have any clue we were
    > breaking the law or that we knew anything about the visa process, but
    > the guy at the POE said this would have no bearing on my visa. they
    > wrote a few numbers in my passport and sent me home, my numbers are as
    > follows 217,4(9(1) if my visa gets denied i think that will send my
    > husband over the edge, did they tell you they could file the 601 in
    > london or does it have to go back to the US, good luck and im eager to
    > see the responses to this post
    >
    > dee
    >
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

KimC

When I talked to my husband tonight he said they just put a Entry Denied stamp in his passport. He said that they wrote down everything he said and put it in the computer. But like I said...he was totally honest about everything and his only intent was visiting me for a few weeks.

SecretGarden

Hey Carla,
I *wish* I would only have to wee 4-6 times to find out about the visa app.-----going through Nebraska I'll probably have to do a thousand times that! Your post gave me a big giggle in an otherwise very tiresome day. Thank you.
~SecretGarden

Darren

To all of you 'whiners' ( I am a US Citizen applying for my fiancee
K-1)

1. Ignorance of the law (overstaying etc.) is no excuse to break it

2. Those who try to abuse US laws by virtue of visitng from Visa
Waiver countries should realize that many of us have fiancees and
spouses in other countries who can never visit on a whim

We are all mature human beings.. if we won't tolerate breaking of
other laws, the same applies to American Immigration law..we many not
like the law, but as American citizens we better damn well obey it.

My two cents...

Thanks
ScarlettGarrett wrote in message news:...
    > Hi folks,
    >
    > Pete posted from a newsgroup but it's failed to appear on the expats
    > forum so I said I'd repost for him. He and his fiancée are devastated by
    > this experience and are hoping for helpful advice - particularly from
    > the law experts. Thanks for reading...........
    >
    > From Pete:
    >
    >
    > Yes. you read right.
    > There is a little light at the end of the tunnel but I need the help of
    > anyone that may have been in this situation.
    > K1 Fiancee Visa..
    > Approved by VSC, Interview set up at London , arrived. Medical Ok, 156
    > signed, DS230 II signed.
    > No Visa..
    > Please, before anyone condemns us for what I am about to say,
    > think about
    > the
    > situation. INS drew the wrong conclusions at the POE and this is
    > the result.
    >
    > I was denied on 212(a)(6)(C)(i) which is , I think,
    > misrepresentation at the
    > POE back in early sept.
    > I answered honestly at the POE why I was ( to help fiancee look after
    > her
    > kids following a possible wrist operation) there and how long, showed my
    > return ticket, At that time, they said that I needed a work visa
    > as I would
    > be receiving "payment" in the form of food and lodgings. In secondary
    > questioning, in a blind panic, heavily dosed up with anti nausea pills
    > for
    > the travel and somewhat tired by both the journey and the side
    > effect of the
    > pills, I also happened to mention that there was a possibility of us
    > getting married, and either me returning and filing for a K3 or
    > staying and
    > adjusting.
    > I know... that wasn't the place to state that.. Bad choices..
    > At no point did I actually lie to the official, I volunteered the
    > information
    > and I returned, voluntarily to the UK with entries in my
    > passport. Some may
    > see it as lying..I suppose it depends on your interpretation..
    > but whatever
    > , the outcome is the same.
    > After about 2 weeks, we filed the K1. and got approved all the
    > way thru to
    > today. I included with my preliminary file, London documents all the
    > necessary explanations and a copy of the statement that was taken
    > at the POE
    > and didn't hide anything there. We didn't hear anything to the
    > contrary that
    > would cause a problem.
    > Till today.. 156 Signed, 230 II signed.. all docs in order,
    > medical done.
    > Visa Official very was very pleasant, came to the POE bit and we
    > even joked
    > about it being a very expensive day trip. He checked the passport and
    > the
    > computer just to see that INS had the same information in the
    > system as on
    > my Passport... Sat down.. called back up..
    > Blue form.. Denied under section 212(a)(6)(C)(i) .. A visa waiver IS
    > available. (ticked)
    >
    > I spoke to the officer and asked him more about the chances of
    > success in my
    > case as I had heard horror stories about the 601..I said what
    > chance do I
    > have. He said a very good chance as he was going to recommend
    > approval. What
    > weight he carries I don't know.. He added that its up to INS to decide
    > ultimately.
    > So .. now I have the 601 to fill in, I have to tell them again
    > what happened
    > despite them having the documents already, state what hardship this is
    > likely to cause both here and for my fiancée to state about there.. and
    > then once handed back in with the $195 fee.. wait 4-6 weeks.
    >
    > Any help for a totally devastated couple would be gratefully received.

KimC

I can guarantee you....I'm not whining. All my husband wanted to do was visit. He just didn't bring enough evidence with him. We weren't out to break the law. If it weren't for the fact that I wanted him here to go with me to the counselor for my daughter, he never would have tried. My daughter did a suicide attempt and her counselor felt he should be here since a lot of her problems were brought on by the fact he couldn't come home until this visa was approved.

Targaff

[email protected] (Darren) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    > 1. Ignorance of the law (overstaying etc.) is no excuse to break it
    > 2. Those who try to abuse US laws by virtue of visitng from Visa
    > Waiver countries should realize that many of us have fiancees and
    > spouses in other countries who can never visit on a whim

I fail to see what your issue with this person is. He didn't do anything
he shouldn't do apart from reiterate to the PoE officer something of
which he was already aware, i.e. that either way, marriage was ultimately
on the cards; nor did he in fact break any immigration laws.

In fact, given #2, I would say your entire post is fueled by envy of his
being from a country which has visa waiver rights and a perceived abuse
thereof, and is irrelevant to what's actually being said, right?

Whilst I'm here, I have to say that I'm quite disappointed to see the
PoE's view of board and lodgings as payment for looking after the kids;
does that mean they consider that if he hadn't been looking after the
kids he would've been living on the street instead? Of course, it might
just be an excuse rather than telling the truth that they refused him
entry because of his relationship to the fiance, but I have to wonder
precisely why they would outright lie about that.

--

Targaff

Petes Angel

[QUOTE][SIZE=1]Originally posted by Darren
To all of you 'whiners' ( I am a US Citizen applying for my fiancee
K-1)

1. Ignorance of the law (overstaying etc.) is no excuse to break it

2. Those who try to abuse US laws by virtue of visitng from Visa
Waiver countries should realize that many of us have fiancees and
spouses in other countries who can never visit on a whim

We are all mature human beings.. if we won't tolerate breaking of
other laws, the same applies to American Immigration law..we many not
like the law, but as American citizens we better damn well obey it.

My two cents...

Dear Darren, You do not have to break the law to be turned away. All you merely have to do is show up legally and have someoen suspect you of intent to immigrate. And the last time I checked immigration was NOT taught in our lovely school system in government class. And nor are they so helpful on the matter. Rather than trying to assist those who do make a HUMAN mistake and an HONEST one on the right journey they seem to try thier damndest to make sure they cannot immigrate legally which is what my fiance and I were doing. On another note, we have more than enough evidence to show that we were only following the information laid before us on London Embassys web site re visa waiver and marriage. Which we printed off. And... we have the CSR's number from the national SC who told us that if he came over and we married it wasnt illegal but they didnt like it. At NO TIME did anyone say otherwise until after Sept 1st. And after that day when given different information we followed it to the letter. I wouldnt go calling people whiners in this NG. This is what it is here for.
Even though you sounded awfully whiney about your fiance and others from other countries not being able to visit on a whim, dont think we are not sympathetic I think everyone on this newsgroup is very sympathetic, there isnt anything easy about the process.
Hope you learned something here today.
Blessings,
Carla

Pete F

[QUOTE][SIZE=1]Originally posted by Darren
To all of you 'whiners' ( I am a US Citizen applying for my fiancee
K-1)

1. Ignorance of the law (overstaying etc.) is no excuse to break it

2. Those who try to abuse US laws by virtue of visitng from Visa
Waiver countries should realize that many of us have fiancees and
spouses in other countries who can never visit on a whim

We are all mature human beings.. if we won't tolerate breaking of
other laws, the same applies to American Immigration law..we many not
like the law, but as American citizens we better damn well obey it.

My two cents...

Thanks


This , I am sorry, brings to mind a passage from one of the best selling and most published books in the world in many many different languages.


"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone".
You have never , once in your whole life as a USC, broken the law? or due to call it bending the law to suit your circumstances?

Ignorance of the law in many countries is no defence, granted, but who should it be up to to prove innocence or guilt? If no harm or damage has been done and no other laws have been broken as a result of the incidents, then in the Visa situation where an applicant is sent back to his or her country is punishment enough. The constant fear of being denied the opportuniuty to enjoy the happiness that most couples can only dream of is shear purgatory. As to being able to visit on a Whim.. Not so in MANY cases.. the air fare alone is a problem. What may be "cheap" to one person, can be a whole years worth of saving and planning for another.

One lesson I learnt very early on in the days of Bulletin boards and Fidonet in the UK when I was the UK National Co-ordinator for the network for 3 years, was before condeming others, make sure you have ALL the facts.

In our case, the process that lead up to our denial is currently at 4 pages long. Thats before the Hardship statements. This NG just doesnt have the bandwidth for that sort of detail.

I sincerely hope your application IS successfull, but think twice about your statements about "whineing" when you seek the help of the good people of the NG IF it fails.

Respectfully..
Pete