David Lai

Greeting,

My neighbor is going to have his Citizen oath ceremony next month, but he
run into a difficult situation, the very next day after the ceremony he need
to make an important business trip to UK. How can he do that without the GC
,which will be turned back during(or before) the ceremony, showing to the
airline to prove his legal US entry, I believe for the people who have the
travel visa need to turn in their I-94, for my neighbor's case, he has
nothing to show but his native passport and don't have enough time to apply
for the US passport? Any solution or suggestion?

Best regards,

David

Ujjwalc

Couple of choices are there.
1) One can request for rescheduling
of the oath ceremony. They will
always reschedule it on a later day.
It may be possible to get it done earlier
if one explains the situaion with
all documents.

2) It may be possible to get a Passport
within 24 hours. However, if a visa
is required, that will take some minimum
time.
Passport issuing offices may be
willing to issue a passport if a
prior appointment is made explaining
the situaion. They don't do it normally.
There are 4 passport issuing offices
( Miamai and 3 others ). If there is a
visa office in that city, one can get
the passport and visa on the same day
from that city. However, it's going to be
very hectic. If one wants to take this
route, it's better to start talking to
Passport issuing office and the
visa office to ensure they will and can do
all these within 24 hours.

Matrix

"David Lai" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    | Greeting,
    |
    | My neighbor is going to have his Citizen oath ceremony next month, but he
    | run into a difficult situation, the very next day after the ceremony he
need
    | to make an important business trip to UK. How can he do that without the
GC
    | ,which will be turned back during(or before) the ceremony, showing to the
    | airline to prove his legal US entry, I believe for the people who have the
    | travel visa need to turn in their I-94, for my neighbor's case, he has
    | nothing to show but his native passport and don't have enough time to
apply
    | for the US passport? Any solution or suggestion?
    |
    | Best regards,
    |
    | David

Why does he think the GC is more important than the Certificate of
Naturalization that he would get **immediately** after the ceremony? Do
airlines have preference toward aliens with GC above that of someone with
just a certificate proving he is a US citizen?
Assuming the only concern is to have proof of legal entry into the US to
make that trip, I dont see the problem in the given situation.

jaytee

Tell him to visit his local ASC. They issue temporary stamps in foreign passport. In this case they may likely have a solution. If not, then you can reschedule the ceremony.

http://uscis.gov/graphics/fieldoffices/ascs/index.htm

Joachim Feise

matrix said on 3/21/2004 10:50:
    >
    > Why does he think the GC is more important than the Certificate of
    > Naturalization that he would get **immediately** after the ceremony? Do
    > airlines have preference toward aliens with GC above that of someone with
    > just a certificate proving he is a US citizen?
    > Assuming the only concern is to have proof of legal entry into the US to
    > make that trip, I dont see the problem in the given situation.

US law requires a US citizen to have a US passport when leaving and entering
the US.

-Joe

Graphic Queen

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:11:35 -0800, Joachim Feise <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >matrix said on 3/21/2004 10:50:
    >>
    >> Why does he think the GC is more important than the Certificate of
    >> Naturalization that he would get **immediately** after the ceremony? Do
    >> airlines have preference toward aliens with GC above that of someone with
    >> just a certificate proving he is a US citizen?
    >> Assuming the only concern is to have proof of legal entry into the US to
    >> make that trip, I dont see the problem in the given situation.
    >US law requires a US citizen to have a US passport when leaving and entering
    >the US.
    >-Joe

No it does not. You do not have to have a passport to visit parts of
Mexico or Canada.

GQ





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L D Jones

Graphic Queen wrote:
    >
    > On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:11:35 -0800, Joachim Feise <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >matrix said on 3/21/2004 10:50:
    > >>
    > >> Why does he think the GC is more important than the Certificate of
    > >> Naturalization that he would get **immediately** after the ceremony? Do
    > >> airlines have preference toward aliens with GC above that of someone with
    > >> just a certificate proving he is a US citizen?
    > >> Assuming the only concern is to have proof of legal entry into the US to
    > >> make that trip, I dont see the problem in the given situation.
    > >
    > >US law requires a US citizen to have a US passport when leaving and entering
    > >the US.
    > >
    > >-Joe
    >
    > No it does not. You do not have to have a passport to visit parts of
    > Mexico or Canada.

It is the law as Joe states
http://squid.law.cornell.edu/cgi-bin...ON=1&TYPE=TEXT

there are exceptions
http://squid.law.cornell.edu/cgi-bin...ON=2&TYPE=TEXT

but I could not find anything that exempts the requirement if travelling
to Mexico or Canada. Where can one leave and return to the US travelling
to Mexico or Canada that are exceptions to the law?

Matrix

"L D Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    ||
    | but I could not find anything that exempts the requirement if travelling
    | to Mexico or Canada. Where can one leave and return to the US travelling
    | to Mexico or Canada that are exceptions to the law?

Read 22 CFR 53.2 !

Graphic Queen

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:08:45 -0500, L D Jones <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Graphic Queen wrote:
    >>
    >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:11:35 -0800, Joachim Feise <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >matrix said on 3/21/2004 10:50:
    >> >>
    >> >> Why does he think the GC is more important than the Certificate of
    >> >> Naturalization that he would get **immediately** after the ceremony? Do
    >> >> airlines have preference toward aliens with GC above that of someone with
    >> >> just a certificate proving he is a US citizen?
    >> >> Assuming the only concern is to have proof of legal entry into the US to
    >> >> make that trip, I dont see the problem in the given situation.
    >> >
    >> >US law requires a US citizen to have a US passport when leaving and entering
    >> >the US.
    >> >
    >> >-Joe
    >>
    >> No it does not. You do not have to have a passport to visit parts of
    >> Mexico or Canada.
    >It is the law as Joe states
    >http://squid.law.cornell.edu/cgi-bin...ON=1&TYPE=TEXT
    >there are exceptions
    >http://squid.law.cornell.edu/cgi-bin...ON=2&TYPE=TEXT
    >but I could not find anything that exempts the requirement if travelling
    >to Mexico or Canada. Where can one leave and return to the US travelling
    >to Mexico or Canada that are exceptions to the law?

There are border towns all over around each border. Going into Mexico
is much easier, as one only has mto walk over or drive in...hardly a
word said to you at all. We do it all of the time. There is an area of
about 16 miles I believe that is considered the "Free Zone" in Mexico,
meaning that you can go up to 16 miles deep into Mexico without
needing any type of visia or passport. We do this also, so I know that
this is the truth, though I could be wrong about the exact amount of
miles.

GQ





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this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall
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crg

If he's flying back from the Eastern Hemisphere then he is required to have a passport or a green card. A Natz certificate won't get you on the plane.

INS used to fine US Citizens who had expired passports, but that proved unpopular. An oral declaration of US citizenship can be done in immigration secondary.

I suggest that they fly back from UK and into Canada. Canada will let them fly back in with just a UK passport, and a US citizen doesn't need a passport to cross the landborder.

Lets Roll

Joachim Feise <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > matrix said on 3/21/2004 10:50:
    > >
    > > Why does he think the GC is more important than the Certificate of
    > > Naturalization that he would get **immediately** after the ceremony? Do
    > > airlines have preference toward aliens with GC above that of someone with
    > > just a certificate proving he is a US citizen?
    > > Assuming the only concern is to have proof of legal entry into the US to
    > > make that trip, I dont see the problem in the given situation.
    >
    > US law requires a US citizen to have a US passport when leaving and entering
    > the US.
    >
    > -Joe

While weapons of mass destruction have not yet been found in Iraq,
there are life threatening
biological toxins right at Arizona's southern border, and attempts to
uncontaminate the area appear
futile. Once pristine, land adjoining the International line is now
sullied with filthy trash left
by thousands of aliens who slip into the US illegally each month from
Mexico on remote desert paths.
The continuous glut of migrants unabashedly defecating on the desert
floor as they try to evade the
law has created a toxic dumpsite that is an ever-increasing buildup of
human waste, tossed feminine
hygiene products, and soiled underwear.

When mounting piles of waste and sewage contaminated water supplies in
Iraq during the first week of
May, a cholera outbreak created a potentially devastating health
crisis. The World Health
Organization confirmed that four people had contracted cholera in
Basra, and they suspect that
dozens more have the potentially fatal illness.
There is a concern among locals at the US border that the same thing
could happen in the riparian
area because the sanitation level is no better than a third world
country.

Dr. Devin Mikles, Sedona, Arizona, explains, "If there is rain, such
as in a riparian area, toxins
and microorganisms will find their way into the water runoff and
thence to the bodies of water and
the ground water."

Dr. Mikles reports there are many diseases that one can get from
living next to human waste. "Viral,
bacterial, parasitic and fungal organisms will be present in this type
of material. Some of the more
common threats are infectious viral hepatitis--Hepatitis A."

According to the Mayo Health Book anyone who comes into contact with
blood, feces or contaminated
food though improper hand washing may become infected with Hepatitis
A. The symptoms of hepatitis A
are similar to those of the flu. The virus will then be in your
stools, blood and bile for two weeks
before any symptoms develop, such as jaundice.

Dr. Mikles adds that other diseases one can contract by being around
waste are, "HIV, amoebae,
giardia, cryptosporidia, trypanosomes (the cause of Chagas disease),
yeast organisms, mycobacterium
(agents that cause tuberculosis) and a host of other bacteria,
primarily coliforms (stool
organisms), and pathogenic organisms such as campylobacter, shigella
and salmonella-and others too
numerous to mention."

Neal Rolfe Chamberlain, Ph.D, Kirksville College of Osteopathic
Medicine, an expert in Medical
Microbiology and Immunology, agrees that, "Contact with the fecal
material can result in any number
of diseases including hepatitis, diarrhea, typhoid fever, dysentery
and several different parasitic
diseases." Professor Chamberlain mentions that direct contact is not
the only problem. Flies are
attracted to fecal material and will feed on it. Chamberlain cautions,
"They then fly to your picnic
and land on your food and can transmit the pathogens from the feces to
your food."

"You can go out and find used maxi pads and tampons thrown on the
ground at the coyote stations
(waiting areas where people smugglers pick up illegal aliens), along
the San Pedro riparian area by
what we call the railroad area."

Carla Jensen, Public Information Officer, Board of Supervisors for
Cochise Country, acknowledges
that around the San Pedro River there is a shelter of cottonwood trees
that makes it a popular site
for hundreds of undocumented aliens.

"There are a series of layover sites that dot Cochise County. Bushes,
washes and ravines are places
used for drug smuggling and migrant trails. They are literally knee
deep in human waste, water
bottles, empty medicine, personal hygiene items, and clothing and
backpacks that boggle the mind."

"...illegal aliens discard old clothes and dress in new ones to be
picked up by coyotes, and
shuttled to Phoenix. He exclaims, "You could fill dump trucks full of
the discarded waste. Go into
any of these layover areas, and you can clearly spot the outdoor
lavatories-toilet paper and piles
and piles of human waste. You smell it, before you see it."

Dr. Mikles suggests that property owners or citizen volunteers take
stronger precautionary measures
when trying to clean up human waste and used feminine hygiene
products. He contends, "The use of
grasping or scooping devices other than hands would be recommended in
this process." Besides latex
gloves and disposable masks, Dr. Mikles suggests that disposable
plastic shoe covers would be a
sensible precaution.

Dr. Mikles says, "Clothing that covers the arms and legs should be
worn. After the clean-up process,
the disposable shoe covers should be removed and then the gloves, and
the hands washed in
antiseptic."

It may appear an extreme measure, but Dr. Mikles suggests volunteer
cleanup crews should remove
clothing before entering their homes. "Use another clean pair of
disposable gloves and the clothing
should be placed directly in the washing machine for a chlorine bleach
and detergent wash." Dr.
Mikles says the final pair of gloves can be removed and the hands
washed again in antiseptic.
Lastly, the mask should be removed, and then the volunteer can bathe.

Dr. Mikles cautions, "Never touch the face when involved in the
clean-up process, no matter how the
nose runs or the eyes itch." He adds that sharp objects such as
needles should never be handled
directly. "They should be placed in hard plastic containers and never
in soft plastic bags."

Bonnie, Eggle, mother of Park Ranger Kristopher William Eggle,
questions why the government allows
criminal trespass 24/7 that leaves US border citizens completely
vulnerable to drug trafficking,
possible terrorists, and now health hazards.

If the Sierra Club is not interested in this sort of thing, then what
are they interested in, pray
tell? What kind of environments are they into protecting and
preserving? Rose Gardens?

    > Elect other politicians if you don't agree with what the currently
    > elected ones do.

Unfortunately, politicians are not going to heal the open, supporating
wound on America's flank that
you call immigration. It is going to take a stateman to do that. Or
a revolution.

    > But I guess the anti-immigrants like you are so far off their rocker (with talk
    > about "tidal waves" and similar BS) that nobody takes you guys seriously,
    > anyway. You show the lunacy quite well.
    > -Joe

Well. Isn't that interesting. More than 12 million people, growing
by over a million every year,
does not qualify for a blip on your radar screen. Hundreds of people
dying every year due to broken
borders is not significant to you. Hundreds more dead by the truck
and train load are not worth
mentioning. 3,000 dead didn't even interrupt your day.

I think you were looking in the mirror when you thought "lunatic".
I don't know about anything else, but you have some SERIOUS priority
issues.

And BTW, you did a lot of blubbering, but you never did answer my
question.

What is wrong with trying it our way for a while? If America begins
to crater out because we don't
have enough warm bodies, we can blow the borders open any time and
have no shortage of human
imports. There are 5 billion people in the world who want to move
next door to you. We could have
every one of them here within a week. Mexico would supply a 100
million over night; all you have to
do is say "Go!"

However, if our current patterns of immigration are as bad as what we
believe them to be, there will
be no easy way to recover from the disaster. Not in a day. Not in a
week. Maybe not in history.

So, do you think you can try to answer the question, or are you just
going to blow more smoke?