lairdside

I was thinking about the "SAVE" system. This could also cause issues with applying for an SSN after marriage.

Presumably when on a K-1 this status would be on the system under a wife's maiden name, after marriage for the change of name, if your wife would be then taking your name, to be updated the EAD would have to be filed for and the update processed.

I was unclear as to whether or not the 90 day work authorization continues to be in force after marriage as I have heard people who have started employment whilst on a K-1 express concerns as to whether or not they will receive their EAD before the 90 days "are up" so that they can continue to work.

If the K-1's employment authorization was invalid from the date of marriage, or from filing AOS, surely they would not be authorized to work for the remainder of the 90 days anyway?

Michael D. Young

Dekka's Angel wrote:

    > Identity theft is an extraordinary problem in the US. Given that, I
    > admit that I was surprised to hear that with a mere phone call you
    > could get someone's (theoretically your own, but how does the phone
    > worker possibly know this?) social security number told or sent to
    > you, rather than having to pick it up in person with ID, or in some
    > way that is far more secure and reliable than the telephone. I
    > realize that a wait for someone to get their actual number after it is
    > issued seems like forever, particularly if they have a job lined up.
    > But the need to secure that number to me, on balance, is just as
    > important if not more so.

Well your SSN wasn't just given out to just anyone. You needed to provide
your full name, date of birth, place of birth and normally mother's maiden
name. A parent need both their info and the child's and the parent had to
be listed on the child's SSN record as one of the parents.

    > Hopefully, SSA has developed some procedures to allow employers, for
    > example, with perhaps unique identifying numbers such as their EIN, to
    > confirm that an SSN *has* been issued by phone for an employee, pending
    > receipt of the actual number at some future time. That would address
    > both issues, it seems.

Yeah SSA will verify the SSN of current and former employees by phone.
Employer needs to provide EIN, employee's SSN, name, sex and DOB. The
employer is only told if it matches SSN record or not and if it doesn't
match they aren't told what didn't match. This is the next thing I expect
to hit the fan.

Michael D. Young

lairdside wrote:

    > In my experience the SSA already does have more secure procedures for
    > claims for Medicare benefits. Upon application the applicant is issued a
    > claim number which is confidential and which they must submit, togther
    > with other personal information, in order to access the status of their
    > claim and to enquire about such said status.

Well SSA doesn't have anything to do with processing Medicare claims.
Medicare is run by CMS which is under the Department of Health and Human
Services. However, your Medicare claim number is just going to be the wage
earner's SSN followed by a letter. XXX-XX-XXXX A Wage earner XXX-XX-XXXX
B spouse Same as your SSA claim number.

Michael D. Young

shaakq wrote:

    > I have a question from all the SSN Savvy people... Everyone in this
    > board says to get the SSN number before marriage...meaning i USC should
    > not marry her(my fiance) until she has her SSN... But i looked at the
    > SSN application and it does not ask for marital status ??? So what
    > difference does it make if she is married to me and applied after the
    > marriage... I know i am missing something so help me all...

I say apply ASAP. Then apply for the corrected card with the name change
after getting married. Just now make damn sure to tell them she wants to
be contacted with the SSN once it's been assigned.

Michael D. Young

lairdside wrote:

    > Originally posted by shaakq
    > > thanks for the info... so that means even if i get married to my
    > > fiance right after her arrival and then say in 10days she applied for
    > > SS and she still has 80days left on I-94 she should be good to go
    > > right ????
    > >
    > > thanks
    > This is where I am unclear
    > I have read that after marriage you must have an EAD in order to apply
    > for a SSN. I have never read WHY this is the case though.
    > As far as I am aware the 90 day validity of the K-1 as far as someone
    > being in status is not affected by marriage and the employment
    > authorization incident to status (for 90 days) is not affected either.

SSA does not care if you are married. The only thing they worry about is
you status being within 14 days of expiring when it comes time to certify
the application. If you are within 14 days they are going to certify the
application to assign an SSN.

lairdside

They don't process the claim but the interviews and documentation are presented to them and they pass along the relevant information to be processed.

I am currently looking at the letter which my husband received which he was given from his local SSA office last December (where he was called to interview about his Medicare claim).

APPLICATION FOR HEALTH INSURANCE BENEFITS UNDER MEDICARE FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH CHRONIC RENAL DISEASE

I HEREBY REQUEST THAT MY RIGHT TO HEALTH INSURANCE BENEFITS BE DETERMINED UNDER SECTION 226A OF THE SOCIAL SECURITY ACT

CHECKING THE STATUS OF YOUR CLAIM

Information about the status of your claim will soon be available on the Internet. Please wait at least 5 days before you check your claim status. Just go to the Social Security Claims page at www.ssa.gov/applyforbenefots and select "Check Your Claim Status" and enter your confirmation number. However, disability claims take longer to process than other types of Social Security claims because we need to obtain sufficient medical evidence to show that you are disabled.It may take 90-120 days before "Check Your Claim Status" will reflect a final decision on your disability claim. The confirmation number for this claim is:

*8 digit numerical number in no way related to my husband's SSN*

REMEMBER TO GUARD YOUR CONFIRMATION NUMBER CAREFULLY.Your confirmation number is the key to your application information!

0 Don't put it where others can see it.

0 Don't store it with other personal information, like your Social Security number.

0 Don't give it to anyone else.

0 Social Security employees will NEVER ask for your Confirmation Number.

Sorry if I was unclear - this is what I was talking about. I wondered why they couldn't do something similar for SSN's.

lairdside

I wasn't refering to the change of marital status, but the change of surname itself - and the impact of verifying the name of the person on the SAVE system if they wanted the SSNto be issued in their married name as presumably until the change was processed via applying for an EAD they would be on the SAVE system under their maiden name.

Michael D. Young

lairdside wrote:

    > Originally posted by Michael D. Young
    > They don't process the claim but the interviews and documentation are
    > presented to them and they pass along the relevant information to be
    > processed.

SSA is responsible for enrollment and disenrollment from Medicare Part A and
B. But they don't have anything to do with the payment or submitting of
hospital and doctor's bills. Medicare has Carriers in each state that
handle Part B claims and Intermediaries that handle Part A claims.

    > I am currently looking at the letter which my husband received which he
    > was given from his local SSA office last December (where he was called
    > to interview about his Medicare claim).
    > APPLICATION FOR HEALTH INSURANCE BENEFITS UNDER MEDICARE FOR INDIVIDUALS
    > WITH CHRONIC RENAL DISEASE
    > I HEREBY REQUEST THAT MY RIGHT TO HEALTH INSURANCE BENEFITS BE
    > DETERMINED UNDER SECTION 226A OF THE SOCIAL SECURITY ACT
    > CHECKING THE STATUS OF YOUR CLAIM
    > Information about the status of your claim will soon be available on the
    > Internet. Please wait at least 5 days before you check your claim
    > status. Just go to the Social Security Claims page at
    > www.ssa.gov/applyforbenefots and select "Check Your Claim
    > Status" and enter your confirmation number. However, disability claims
    > take longer to process than other types of Social Security claims
    > because we need to obtain sufficient medical evidence to show that you
    > are disabled.It may take 90-120 days before "Check Your Claim Status"
    > will reflect a final decision on your disability claim. The confirmation
    > number for this claim is:
    > *8 digit numerical number in no way related to my husband's SSN*
    > REMEMBER TO GUARD YOUR CONFIRMATION NUMBER CAREFULLY.Your confirmation
    > number is the key to your application information!
    > Don't put it where others can see it.
    > Don't store it with other personal information, like your Social
    > Security number.
    > Don't give it to anyone else.
    > Social Security employees will NEVER ask for your Confirmation Number.
    > Sorry if I was unclear - this is what I was talking about. I wondered
    > why they couldn't do something similar for SSN's.

Each SSN application be it a new SSN or replacement card has a reference
number and I asked the person that wrote the EM why you couldn't use the
application receipt reference number to identify a person, since the
applicant would mostly be the only one to know it. Basically, they want the
policy to be we don't give out SSNs over the phone to people that call to
request one. Much easier to just cut off everyone than to make exceptions.

lairdside

Yep, that's what I meant I know that once the benefit has been awarded they don't handle the actual administration of the billing etc. My husband actually has a private health carrier who acts as his primary carrier and Medicare is his secondary so it's even more complicated - we just let them sort it out

Well what do you expect - I mean doing as you sugested would have been commonsense wouldn't it? This was the sort of suggestion I was trying to describe, I thought as something similar is used for Medicare applications that it may have been feasible. I didn't realise that the SSN applications already infact have a receipt number (although thinking about it this also seems obvious).

I guess if they just don't want to do it they ain't gonna

What do they have to say about people having to appear in person with ID to access their numbers as DA suggested? I'm sure that many would rather do that than wait... perhaps they feel that they would be deluged?

Mrtravel

Michael D. Young wrote:
    > Well your SSN wasn't just given out to just anyone. You needed to provide
    > your full name, date of birth, place of birth and normally mother's maiden
    > name.

Not that difficult. Births are public knowledge, right?
Some newspapers even print announcements.

Michael D. Young

mrtravel wrote:

    > Michael D. Young wrote:
    > >
    > > Well your SSN wasn't just given out to just anyone. You needed to provide
    > > your full name, date of birth, place of birth and normally mother's maiden
    > > name.
    > Not that difficult. Births are public knowledge, right?
    > Some newspapers even print announcements.

That's exactly what stopped things. Seems some reporter is or was doing a story
on ID theft and was calling SSA's 800# with birth certificates and getting SSTs
and SSA got tipped off. That way if a story comes out they can say we don't do
that anymore.

fernie7

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Man that was an scary story Dekka