Dan

Hello!

I'm 27yrs asian man and my partner is 48 yrs US citizenship. We live in San
Francisco.

we are finding the lesbian couple who are in simular situation. we can help each
other by marriage of convenienve

my email is [email protected]

Thanks.

Mark Lambert

In article <[email protected] >,
[email protected] says...
    > Hello!
    >
    >
    > I'm 27yrs asian man and my partner is 48 yrs US citizenship. We live in San
    > Francisco.
    >
    > we are finding the lesbian couple who are in simular situation. we can help each
    > other by marriage of convenienve
    >
    > my email is [email protected]
    >
    > Thanks.
    >

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when they go for their AoS interviews..

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Brit_am

Dan <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hello!
    >
    >
    > I'm 27yrs asian man and my partner is 48 yrs US citizenship. We live in San
    > Francisco.
    >
    > we are finding the lesbian couple who are in simular situation. we can help each
    > other by marriage of convenienve
    >
    > my email is [email protected]
    >
    > Thanks.
When you learn English well enough, look up the word "fraud" in the dictionary.

Mrtravel

brit_am wrote:
    >
    > Dan <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Hello!
    > >
    > >
    > > I'm 27yrs asian man and my partner is 48 yrs US citizenship. We live in San
    > > Francisco.
    > >
    > > we are finding the lesbian couple who are in simular situation. we can help each
    > > other by marriage of convenienve
    > >
    > > my email is [email protected]
    > >
    > > Thanks.
    > When you learn English well enough, look up the word "fraud" in the dictionary.

Very helpful. I think they know this. So, I guess you are going to be first to write
to your congressman demanding they enact a marriage law that applies to homosexuals.

Jason Henry Par

mrtravel <[email protected]> writes:

    > brit_am wrote:
    > > Dan <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > I'm 27yrs asian man and my partner is 48 yrs US citizenship. We live in San
    > > > Francisco.
    > > >
    > > > we are finding the lesbian couple who are in simular situation. we can help
    > > > each other by marriage of convenienve

    > > When you learn English well enough, look up the word "fraud" in the dictionary.

Charming little piece of work, aren't you? Oddly, despite being judged inadequate by
such a well-spoken person as yourself, the original poster was easy enough to read
that you still understood his meaning.

    > Very helpful. I think they know this.

Indeed, I can't imagine that any member of a long-distance same-sex couple could not
be *painfully* aware of their being forced to sit and wait interminably while
heterosexual couples partake of their privilege, remaining all the while blissfully
ignorant of the law.

Of course it is fraud. Unfortunately, the law, while not the sole arbiter of
morality, is utterly unjust in this regard.

As a bisexual man, it is incredibly galling to me to think that if I had fallen
in love with another man, the avenue currently open to me by law would be utterly
closed, leaving me to fend for myself through either the Diversity Visa Lottery
or a H1-B.

To be stuck a world away from my lover by systemic bureaucratic homophobia would be
intolerable. Who here doesn't know the pain of not being able to communicate properly
with their loved one? Who doesn't know what it's like to have to leave the country
and say cheap and unfulfilling goodbyes in airports departure lounges? I am not at
all surprised that arrangements like this spring up when loving couples are driven to
them out of utter desperation and worry.

    > So, I guess you are going to be first to write to your congressman demanding they
    > enact a marriage law that applies to homosexuals.

This is what I plan to start doing as soon as I am a conditional permanent resident
(ie someone that a congressional representative would spend more than a few minutes
bothering with).

Does anyone here know of volunteer groups working to have the law changed in this
regard? As I understand it, a repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act would be required
at the very least, so change will not come soon.

jason
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Jadm

[email protected] (Dan) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > Hello!
    >
    >
    > I'm 27yrs asian man and my partner is 48 yrs US citizenship. We live in San
    > Francisco.
    >
    > we are finding the lesbian couple who are in simular situation. we can help each
    > other by marriage of convenienve
    >
    > my email is [email protected]
    >
    > Thanks.

* I have nothing against sexuality preference, but ALOT against fraud*

Andrew Defaria

jadm wrote:

    > [email protected] (Dan) wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]. com>...
    >
    >> Hello!
    >>
    >> I'm 27yrs asian man and my partner is 48 yrs US citizenship. We live in San
    >> Francisco.
    >>
    >> we are finding the lesbian couple who are in simular situation. we can help each
    >> other by marriage of convenienve
    >>
    >> my email is [email protected]
    >>
    >> Thanks.
    >
    > * I have nothing against sexuality preference, but ALOT against fraud*

I say we change the law around for say 5 years such that hetrosexual couples are not
allowed the privilege and only homosexual couples are allowed. Then come back here to
see whether you and the group still thinks the same way. I think if that were to
happen you'd see this guys point.

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href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br> <br>
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but ALOT against fraud*</blockquote> I say we change the law around for say 5 years
such that hetrosexual couples are not allowed the privilege and only homosexual
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thinks the same way. I think if that were to happen you'd see this guys point.<br>
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Brit_am

mrtravel <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > brit_am wrote:
    > >
    > > Dan <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Hello!
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > I'm 27yrs asian man and my partner is 48 yrs US citizenship. We live in San
    > > > Francisco.
    > > >
    > > > we are finding the lesbian couple who are in simular situation. we can help
    > > > each other by marriage of convenienve
    > > >
    > > > my email is [email protected]
    > > >
    > > > Thanks.
    > > When you learn English well enough, look up the word "fraud" in the dictionary.
    >
    > Very helpful. I think they know this. So, I guess you are going to be first to
    > write to your congressman demanding they enact a marriage law that applies to
    > homosexuals.

I don't care what he is. But fraud is fraud. Marriages of conveniences happen all the
time, sometimes as a manner of getting into the US-- which is fraud all the same.

Rete

I have to applaud both Andrew and Jason for their liberal thinking and their willingness to post a view not often see favorably.

Until the federal government recognizes same sex marriages as legal, there is not a snowball's chance in hell that INS is going to do so either. And that sucks really. Love and commitment to another is not restricted to hetero-relationships.

What they are proposing is fraud, plain and simple. Perhaps they would have been better to post in a gay oriented NG where they would be more apt to met others of same like. Then they could proceed with their lives in a way that brings happiness to all parties without advertising publicly their need to commit fraud.

As for INS, they don't know what goes on behind closed doors. There should be some areas of life that can remain private from Big Brother's eyes.

Brit_am

Andrew DeFaria <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > brit_am wrote:
    >
    > > I don't care what he is. But fraud is fraud. Marriages of conveniences happen
    > > all the time, sometimes as a manner of getting into the US-- which is fraud all
    > > the same.
    >
    > The point is when you are not left with many legal options most people will
    > contemplate resorting to less than legal means. IOW when you push somebody hard
    > enough and violate what they believe is their right and enact laws that they view
    > are patently unfair then people will often resort to other means. This is human
    > nature and it points more to the law being unjust or unfair than the violator being
    > criminal.
    >
    > It is not clear why other avenues cannot be explored such as visa lottery, H1 visa,
    > etc, or why the person cannot move outside the US. There may be very good reasons
    > that these avenues are not practical or available. We just don't know.

Unfortunate for some though, there's now more clamping down. Especially on vistor's
and student visas.

Jason Henry Par

[email protected] (jadm) writes:

    > * I have nothing against sexuality preference, but ALOT against fraud*

The only fraud I see is a government that prides itself on the principle that all
people are created equal, but consistently and cruelly chooses to not live up to
that standard.

That is fraud and deception of the first order, and it is intolerable.

Australia recognises same-sex relationships for immigration purposes. It's not
marriage and it's not perfect (hah, our immigration process is easily the equal of
the INS) but in that respect at least it is worthy of admiration.

In any event, this is getting regrettably off-topic. Further missives will be
sent by mail.

jason
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timiny74

Are these laws and regulations to be followed as is regardless of what they say or are they to be fought and changed? A marriage of convenience may be an easy way out (if you can pull it off) but perhaps they got nowhere with their Congressperson and they don't know what else to do?
It seems to me it'd be awfully difficult for the INS and Congress to change this regulation what with the mostly Christian basis for the law, the moral turpitude questions on the I-94, etc. You'd have to have separation of Congress's "morals" from their subjective view of a married couple and allow for a completely objective view simply of a couple in love with each other regardless of their gender.

Mrs Blackross

what the hell does homosexuality have to do with a "stable society"???

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some helpful sites on the net:
http://www.mindspring.com/~docsteen/...o/visainfo.htm
http://www.k1faq.com/faq_index.htm
http://www.geocities.com/immigration...-130/index.htm

"South East" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > The United States of America does not recognise gay marriages, nor does it
    > recognise poligamy. I understand that what you are trying to do is fraud
my
    > country, the same way a man his wife and three "sisters" try to fraud this country.
    >
    > The law is based on the belief that our society becomes less strong and
less
    > stable with the presence of homosexuality and poligamy as an institution. This is
    > not for the purpose of condemning what people wishing to immigrate belive, but for
    > the purpose of maintaining a certain stability within our country.
    >
    > Why do you want to live in the USA? "Dan" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > message news:[email protected]...
    > > Hello!
    > >
    > >
    > > I'm 27yrs asian man and my partner is 48 yrs US citizenship. We live in San
    > > Francisco.
    > >
    > > we are finding the lesbian couple who are in simular situation. we can help each
    > > other by marriage of convenienve
    > >
    > > my email is [email protected]
    > >
    > > Thanks.

Andrew Defaria

Mrs Blackross wrote:

    >> The United States of America does not recognise gay marriages,
    >
Don't some states recognize gay marriages?

Dataangel

Andrew DeFaria <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Mrs Blackross wrote:
    >
    > >> The United States of America does not recognise gay marriages,
    > >
    > Don't some states recognize gay marriages?

Some states do, but it's not recognized at the federal level.