DHS does read the internet
Dec 10th 2007, 9:48 pm
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Dec 11th 2007, 12:11 am
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Re: DHS does read the internet
Please find us a conviction where someone who offered free and non-professional advice on an NG to a third party was actually found guilty of conspiracy. To make it easier, I won't even limit you to immigration matters. You have Nexis and Westlaw so you're in a better position to do this research than most here. Off you go! If you don't cite a case here within the next 24 hours, we'll assume you couldn't find it!
My WestLaw account is limited to Immigration. If I go outside of it, it costs an arm, a leg, and perhaps my firstborn. That said --
A tax protester distributed advice and was convicted of aid and abetting under 18 USC 2. The name, if memory serves me correct is Causey v. United States. His defense was that there was no proof that anyone actually took his advice and therefore it was not Common Law aiding and abetting. The court of appeals noted that although it was not Common Law aiding and abetting, 18 USC 2(a) described Common Law aiding and abetting, while 18 USC 2(b) was broader than that..
Dec 11th 2007, 12:28 am
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Re: DHS does read the internet
Robert Schoch, special agent in charge of ICE investigations in L.A., says it is the first criminal case he is aware of in which people allegedly used the Internet to engineer a sham marriage for a green card.
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Dec 11th 2007, 12:39 am
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Re: DHS does read the internet
First of all, it is not uncommon for newspaper articles to not quite get the legal issues right.
Second, the ICE-man did not say it was the first time he was aware of the internet being used. Rather, he said it was the first CRIMINAL PROSECUTION he was aware of.
Which happens to be my point -- although there may not have been criminal prosecutions in the past, there may very well be a first time in the future.
Dec 11th 2007, 1:14 am
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Re: DHS does read the internet
Dec 11th 2007, 1:22 am
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Re: DHS does read the internet
Hi:
First of all, it is not uncommon for newspaper articles to not quite get the legal issues right.
Second, the ICE-man did not say it was the first time he was aware of the internet being used. Rather, he said it was the first CRIMINAL PROSECUTION he was aware of.
Which happens to be my point -- although there may not have been criminal prosecutions in the past, there may very well be a first time in the future.
First of all, it is not uncommon for newspaper articles to not quite get the legal issues right.
Second, the ICE-man did not say it was the first time he was aware of the internet being used. Rather, he said it was the first CRIMINAL PROSECUTION he was aware of.
Which happens to be my point -- although there may not have been criminal prosecutions in the past, there may very well be a first time in the future.
Dec 11th 2007, 1:24 am
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Re: DHS does read the internet
The statement in the case is given by a Special Agent in ICE's 'Cyber Crimes Center" about his activities in 2005. ICE is the enforcement arm of immigration now; they are the 'cops'.
They not only have, they have had the resources to go after people as dumb as the soliciting woman (and the dumb USC who took her up on it).
It's not like you have to google far to find out what the penalties are for a 'green card marriage'.
Dec 11th 2007, 2:13 am
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Re: DHS does read the internet
No, but I'll check it out.
This is true, but you know what's so outrageous about that? People will know the risks involved, yet take the chance anyway. Either they are extremely desperate, extremely stupid, or both.
It's not like you have to google far to find out what the penalties are for a 'green card marriage'.
Dec 11th 2007, 8:50 am
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If you were to sit down and worry about all the things you might be prosecuted for, you'd need a shrink. When the government decides to start prosecuting "netarios" or whatever Matt liked to call 'em, then folks should consider whether it's worthwhile posting. Until then, do try and keep some sort of perspective.
What ever. Why worry about what may happen if future changes are made in enforcement priorities? I'm not all that sure that the OP and her husband in the following string would agree.
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...&highlight=DUI
Who would have thought? Why worry?
"TURKEY TROTS TO WATER GG FROM CINCPAC ACTION COM THIRD FLEET INFO COMINCH CTF SEVENTY-SEVEN X WHERE IS RPT WHERE IS TASK FORCE THIRTY FOUR RR THE WORLD WONDERS" Chester Nimitz
Dec 11th 2007, 12:11 pm
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Re: DHS does read the internet
Hi:
What ever. Why worry about what may happen if future changes are made in enforcement priorities? I'm not all that sure that the OP and her husband in the following string would agree.
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...&highlight=DUI
Who would have thought? Why worry?
"TURKEY TROTS TO WATER GG FROM CINCPAC ACTION COM THIRD FLEET INFO COMINCH CTF SEVENTY-SEVEN X WHERE IS RPT WHERE IS TASK FORCE THIRTY FOUR RR THE WORLD WONDERS" Chester Nimitz
What ever. Why worry about what may happen if future changes are made in enforcement priorities? I'm not all that sure that the OP and her husband in the following string would agree.
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...&highlight=DUI
Who would have thought? Why worry?
"TURKEY TROTS TO WATER GG FROM CINCPAC ACTION COM THIRD FLEET INFO COMINCH CTF SEVENTY-SEVEN X WHERE IS RPT WHERE IS TASK FORCE THIRTY FOUR RR THE WORLD WONDERS" Chester Nimitz
I'll keep it safe - I'll just wory about everything.
Dec 11th 2007, 3:37 pm
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Re: DHS does read the internet
Does that count when it is the Department of State instead of Homeland Security? Two very separate agencies that do not interact with each other.
Hi:
What ever. Why worry about what may happen if future changes are made in enforcement priorities? I'm not all that sure that the OP and her husband in the following string would agree.
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...&highlight=DUI
Who would have thought? Why worry?
"TURKEY TROTS TO WATER GG FROM CINCPAC ACTION COM THIRD FLEET INFO COMINCH CTF SEVENTY-SEVEN X WHERE IS RPT WHERE IS TASK FORCE THIRTY FOUR RR THE WORLD WONDERS" Chester Nimitz
What ever. Why worry about what may happen if future changes are made in enforcement priorities? I'm not all that sure that the OP and her husband in the following string would agree.
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...&highlight=DUI
Who would have thought? Why worry?
"TURKEY TROTS TO WATER GG FROM CINCPAC ACTION COM THIRD FLEET INFO COMINCH CTF SEVENTY-SEVEN X WHERE IS RPT WHERE IS TASK FORCE THIRTY FOUR RR THE WORLD WONDERS" Chester Nimitz
Dec 11th 2007, 3:43 pm
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Re: DHS does read the internet
Hi:
It should be noted that, although the marriage is not recognized for immigration purposes, and if done solely for immigration purposes is a crime -- it IS a "legal" marriage in the sense of that a divorce is needed to marry someone else, common law obligations of support, etc etc.
It should be noted that, although the marriage is not recognized for immigration purposes, and if done solely for immigration purposes is a crime -- it IS a "legal" marriage in the sense of that a divorce is needed to marry someone else, common law obligations of support, etc etc.
Just thinking that annulling the marriage may prove an interesting twist
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Dec 11th 2007, 4:08 pm
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Re: DHS does read the internet
Assuming that they filed in the paperwork and sent it of.
Not sure I agree about ICE's resources, it woud be easy, very easy for ICE to follow thorugh on loads of Undocumented Americans where I am, they have publicly stated they have very limited resources and you have to comit a pretty major crime to come to their attention, and not alwys then.
On the other hand, if you make a meal of it...
