Completely OT: The Role of Biometrics
#31
Re: The Role of Biometrics
We don't *know* all the things that go into approval & production of the interim documents, but processes have improved over the years.
#32
Re: The Role of Biometrics
An EAD is a federal ID document. All federal id's require biometrics (at least all the ones I've ever seen) and a photograph. A driver's license is not a federal id, it is a state id - big difference. In this day and age of security issues and criminal activities, they are not going to issue you with a federal id w/out taking your fingerprint and a photograph. Which naturally takes time. There's your explanation.
#33
Re: The Role of Biometrics
l,
"Others" are over-simplifying and along with you overlook a certain qualification that I made. Beyond that, for an I-765 or I-131 that is based on adjustment of status note that not only the I-485 application has to be complete (not "completed", as Rete notes), but also the I-765 and I-131 applications themselves have to be complete and accurate.
More than a few I-131s submitted by adjustment applicants have been denied because the applicant appplied for AP on the wrong basis!
Regards, JEff
"Others" are over-simplifying and along with you overlook a certain qualification that I made. Beyond that, for an I-765 or I-131 that is based on adjustment of status note that not only the I-485 application has to be complete (not "completed", as Rete notes), but also the I-765 and I-131 applications themselves have to be complete and accurate.
More than a few I-131s submitted by adjustment applicants have been denied because the applicant appplied for AP on the wrong basis!
Regards, JEff
Last edited by jeffreyhy; Oct 23rd 2009 at 4:50 pm.
#34
Re: Completely OT: The Role of Biometrics
Not completely true. For marriage-based visas (a good portion of the I-485 are for marriage to a USC) the USC does vote. Plus political reps do listen to immigrants because they know one day they will be qualified voters. Why do you think today's politicans court the Hispanic immigrant when they are campaigning. It is because one day they will be voting.
People do not realize the number of applications received on a yearly basis by USCIS. EAD's are not just issued to marriage-based petitions and one cannot compare the USCIS to a state run agency that deals with a far smaller number of people and whose serve does not affect the security of the country or one's life, i.e. DMV and one cannot equate it with a country such as the UK which in comparison to the US is the size of Rhode Island <wink, wink>.
People do not realize the number of applications received on a yearly basis by USCIS. EAD's are not just issued to marriage-based petitions and one cannot compare the USCIS to a state run agency that deals with a far smaller number of people and whose serve does not affect the security of the country or one's life, i.e. DMV and one cannot equate it with a country such as the UK which in comparison to the US is the size of Rhode Island <wink, wink>.
My opinion on this is: they are inefficient for 2 reasons: first is obvious, they are government organization (no competition or incentive to be faster (for the employees)), but second is more important: their clients do not vote. If you could vote and your senator said "Oh and by the way I am going to lobby congress to reduce the time of processing any immigration application by 50%, would be a strong incentive for you to vote for him, right?" But there is no big incentive for that in the government: most Americans could care less.
Since, no one "hears" you technically, it is just not a priority.
I feel when you pay that much money for your application they should be faster, but they seem to be improving...
Since, no one "hears" you technically, it is just not a priority.
I feel when you pay that much money for your application they should be faster, but they seem to be improving...
Last edited by Rete; Oct 23rd 2009 at 4:49 pm.
#35
Re: The Role of Biometrics
Please use correct terminology when discussing this. Completed means it has been adjudicated. You are using the term completed to mean an accepted for processing petition. Two very different things.
And I agree with JEff, neither application is guaranteed.
#36
Forum Regular
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 222
Re: Completely OT: The Role of Biometrics
Not completely true. For marriage-based visas (a good portion of the I-485 are for marriage to a USC) the USC does vote. Plus political reps do listen to immigrants because they know one day they will be qualified voters. Why do you think today's politicans court the Hispanic immigrant when they are campaigning. It is because one day they will be voting.
People do not realize the number of applications received on a yearly basis by USCIS. EAD's are not just issued to marriage-based petitions and one cannot compare the USCIS to a state run agency that deals with a far smaller number of people and whose serve does not affect the security of the country or one's life, i.e. DMV and one cannot equate it with a country such as the UK which in comparison to the US is the size of Rhode Island <wink, wink>.
People do not realize the number of applications received on a yearly basis by USCIS. EAD's are not just issued to marriage-based petitions and one cannot compare the USCIS to a state run agency that deals with a far smaller number of people and whose serve does not affect the security of the country or one's life, i.e. DMV and one cannot equate it with a country such as the UK which in comparison to the US is the size of Rhode Island <wink, wink>.
Americans are much more used to receiving and expecting better service: it is immigrations who get jerked around for years. (I personally had good experience with USCIS, I think they are just slower than they should considering the amount of money we are paying them)
#37
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 65
Re: The Role of Biometrics
Quit whining. It is what it is...accept it and move on.
An EAD is a federal ID document. All federal id's require biometrics (at least all the ones I've ever seen) and a photograph. A driver's license is not a federal id, it is a state id - big difference. In this day and age of security issues and criminal activities, they are not going to issue you with a federal id w/out taking your fingerprint and a photograph. Which naturally takes time. There's your explanation.
An EAD is a federal ID document. All federal id's require biometrics (at least all the ones I've ever seen) and a photograph. A driver's license is not a federal id, it is a state id - big difference. In this day and age of security issues and criminal activities, they are not going to issue you with a federal id w/out taking your fingerprint and a photograph. Which naturally takes time. There's your explanation.
#38
Re: Completely OT: The Role of Biometrics
Well, still... There are plenty of H1B employees, refugees, etc. Just saying, if an American had to wait 6 to 24 months for some federal document, and yes, I know they don't have to go through background checks or whatever but still. Lol, that government agency would get so much media wrath and angry people, that they would quickly get more funds to accelerate it.
Until larger percentages of USCs actually need to use the services of USCIS, then there won't be enough of an outcry to get them to change.
#39
Re: The Role of Biometrics
l,
Again, these permissions are not "a mere formality", although it may appear that way to some who have only a limited perspective and do not see the forest for their own tree.
Regards, JEff
Again, these permissions are not "a mere formality", although it may appear that way to some who have only a limited perspective and do not see the forest for their own tree.
Regards, JEff
#40
Re: The Role of Biometrics
I think you and a few others have missed the boat on this one. You say I'm whining like I'm still waiting for the EAD/AP. I, rather, am failing to understand the logic that if those documents are a mere formality and certain as other have stated then why couldn't immi forgo the process of biometrics for the EAD to make things move faster. With regards to your statement about criminal activities more than one poster has said they issue the EAD/AP regardless of past history so again I pose the question where's the logic in that? Even if the AOS is denied the process of denial could take over a year. So a criminal could work here, theoretically, for a while before anything is done. Even in this day and age of security issues, correct?
You're beating your head against a brick wall with this conversation. You don't have to understand why a government agency does what it does.
#41
Re: The Role of Biometrics
I think you and a few others have missed the boat on this one. You say I'm whining like I'm still waiting for the EAD/AP. I, rather, am failing to understand the logic that if those documents are a mere formality and certain as other have stated then why couldn't immi forgo the process of biometrics for the EAD to make things move faster. With regards to your statement about criminal activities more than one poster has said they issue the EAD/AP regardless of past history so again I pose the question where's the logic in that? Even if the AOS is denied the process of denial could take over a year. So a criminal could work here, theoretically, for a while before anything is done. Even in this day and age of security issues, correct?
#42
Re: The Role of Biometrics
I think you and a few others have missed the boat on this one. You say I'm whining like I'm still waiting for the EAD/AP. I, rather, am failing to understand the logic that if those documents are a mere formality and certain as other have stated then why couldn't immi forgo the process of biometrics for the EAD to make things move faster. With regards to your statement about criminal activities more than one poster has said they issue the EAD/AP regardless of past history so again I pose the question where's the logic in that? Even if the AOS is denied the process of denial could take over a year. So a criminal could work here, theoretically, for a while before anything is done. Even in this day and age of security issues, correct?
Sometimes, recently, the green card is even issued before EAD and AP are!
Are you saying 30 days is still too slow? I get the feeling you want same-day service.
Personally, I think 30 or even 60 days turnaround is pretty good, considering all the factors that go into verification and production of the EAD and AP.
Rene
#44
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 65
Re: The Role of Biometrics
Nope that specific post was hostile but then again I never was one to allow myself to be insulted without giving a retort. As a much smarter man than I once wrote "Actioni contrariam semper et æqualem esse reactionem: sive corporum duorum actiones in se mutuo semper esse æquales et in partes contrarias dirigi."
#45
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: Virginia
Posts: 475
Re: The Role of Biometrics
I think you and a few others have missed the boat on this one. You say I'm whining like I'm still waiting for the EAD/AP. I, rather, am failing to understand the logic that if those documents are a mere formality and certain as other have stated then why couldn't immi forgo the process of biometrics for the EAD to make things move faster.
Nothing post 9/11 is a mere formality anymore. It was always a game and now the rules to that game have got tougher - and Uncle Sam get's to make the rules wether you, me or anyone else likes them.
You have to understand that the feds need to make sure that the person who applied for a visa, was issued a visa and who now wants the EAD /AP is the same person. Why do you think so many photos are needed during all stages of the immigration process?
Your views and thoughts are just as valid as anyone else's on here but if that's your main bug bear then you aint doin bad