Certificate of NON-Citizenship? (And other questions...)
May 7th 2002, 12:40 pm
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Certificate of NON-Citizenship? (And other questions...)
Well, my brother-in-law has decided to start getting some of his life together
lately, and for him that means a trip to the INS to get his green-card (he seems
to have lost it) as well as getting his passport renewed (it expired a couple of
years ago)
But now he's running into problems... I said I'd ask a couple of questions here.
First, he's trying to get his passport renewed, and since Austria doesn't allow
dual-citizenship, they have asked him to get proof that he is not a citizen.
Has anyone heard of any such thing? Some sort of certificate proving
NON-Citizenship?? (I've only ever heard of it the other way around...)
Also, with the lost green-card, I am assuming he's going to have to go to Charlotte
in person to file for a replacement? He wanted to know "Don't they have my
fingerprints on file?" (I assume he has to walk in because he has no idea what his
A# is....)
Anything anyone knows (about this stuff) would be wonderful.
Betastar off to download INS forms for another Hopperger!
lately, and for him that means a trip to the INS to get his green-card (he seems
to have lost it) as well as getting his passport renewed (it expired a couple of
years ago)
But now he's running into problems... I said I'd ask a couple of questions here.
First, he's trying to get his passport renewed, and since Austria doesn't allow
dual-citizenship, they have asked him to get proof that he is not a citizen.
Has anyone heard of any such thing? Some sort of certificate proving
NON-Citizenship?? (I've only ever heard of it the other way around...)
Also, with the lost green-card, I am assuming he's going to have to go to Charlotte
in person to file for a replacement? He wanted to know "Don't they have my
fingerprints on file?" (I assume he has to walk in because he has no idea what his
A# is....)
Anything anyone knows (about this stuff) would be wonderful.
Betastar off to download INS forms for another Hopperger!
May 7th 2002, 3:40 pm
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Re: Certificate of NON-Citizenship? (And other questions...)
Betastar wrote:
>
> Well, my brother-in-law has decided to start getting some of his life together
> lately, and for him that means a trip to the INS to get his green-card (he seems
> to have lost it) as well as getting his passport renewed (it expired a couple of
> years ago)
>
> But now he's running into problems... I said I'd ask a couple of questions here.
>
> First, he's trying to get his passport renewed, and since Austria doesn't allow
> dual-citizenship, they have asked him to get proof that he is not a citizen.
>
> Has anyone heard of any such thing? Some sort of certificate proving
> NON-Citizenship?? (I've only ever heard of it the other way around...)
>
Well, a valid green card would indicate that he is not a citizen of the US. Other
than that, how can you prove you are not a US Citizen, or a citizen of one of the
many other countries of the world.
> Also, with the lost green-card, I am assuming he's going to have to go to Charlotte
> in person to file for a replacement?
No, he can mail in form I-90 with the fee. (if he knows the A#)
>
> Well, my brother-in-law has decided to start getting some of his life together
> lately, and for him that means a trip to the INS to get his green-card (he seems
> to have lost it) as well as getting his passport renewed (it expired a couple of
> years ago)
>
> But now he's running into problems... I said I'd ask a couple of questions here.
>
> First, he's trying to get his passport renewed, and since Austria doesn't allow
> dual-citizenship, they have asked him to get proof that he is not a citizen.
>
> Has anyone heard of any such thing? Some sort of certificate proving
> NON-Citizenship?? (I've only ever heard of it the other way around...)
>
Well, a valid green card would indicate that he is not a citizen of the US. Other
than that, how can you prove you are not a US Citizen, or a citizen of one of the
many other countries of the world.
> Also, with the lost green-card, I am assuming he's going to have to go to Charlotte
> in person to file for a replacement?
No, he can mail in form I-90 with the fee. (if he knows the A#)
May 7th 2002, 4:10 pm
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Re: Certificate of NON-Citizenship? (And other questions...)
On Wed, 08 May 2002 02:51:50 GMT, mrtravel <[email protected]> wrote:
>Well, a valid green card would indicate that he is not a citizen of the US.
Yeah, but we all have an idea how long it takes Texas to process an I-90, so he won't
have a valid green-card for a while... (Reinhard's I-90 went in in December, we
expect to hear hopefully by this December!) Meanwhile, he doesn't have a passport to
get a stamp in either, in case he needs to travel. No greencard. No passport without
the greencard. :^p
> Other than that, how can you prove you are not a US Citizen, or a citizen of one of
> the many other countries of the world.
That's kinda what the question is all about.
>> Also, with the lost green-card, I am assuming he's going to have to go to
>> Charlotte in person to file for a replacement?
>
>No, he can mail in form I-90 with the fee. (if he knows the A#)
He doesn't know his A# - so I assume he has to go in and hope they can look that up
for him. What a doofus! He's been an LPR for about 30 years now - just noticed the
green-card is missing, and he has no record of his own A#.
Well, I see him tomorrow night, and I'll bring some I-90s with me for him to fill
out. This'll be fun!
Thanks, MichaelTravel,
Betastar
>Well, a valid green card would indicate that he is not a citizen of the US.
Yeah, but we all have an idea how long it takes Texas to process an I-90, so he won't
have a valid green-card for a while... (Reinhard's I-90 went in in December, we
expect to hear hopefully by this December!) Meanwhile, he doesn't have a passport to
get a stamp in either, in case he needs to travel. No greencard. No passport without
the greencard. :^p
> Other than that, how can you prove you are not a US Citizen, or a citizen of one of
> the many other countries of the world.
That's kinda what the question is all about.
>> Also, with the lost green-card, I am assuming he's going to have to go to
>> Charlotte in person to file for a replacement?
>
>No, he can mail in form I-90 with the fee. (if he knows the A#)
He doesn't know his A# - so I assume he has to go in and hope they can look that up
for him. What a doofus! He's been an LPR for about 30 years now - just noticed the
green-card is missing, and he has no record of his own A#.
Well, I see him tomorrow night, and I'll bring some I-90s with me for him to fill
out. This'll be fun!
Thanks, MichaelTravel,
Betastar
May 7th 2002, 6:10 pm
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Re: Certificate of NON-Citizenship? (And other questions...)
Very European! R "Betastar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Has anyone heard of any such thing? Some sort of certificate proving
> NON-Citizenship?? (I've only ever heard of it the other way around...)
news:[email protected]...
>
> Has anyone heard of any such thing? Some sort of certificate proving
> NON-Citizenship?? (I've only ever heard of it the other way around...)
May 7th 2002, 9:10 pm
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> > Has anyone heard of any such thing? Some sort of certificate proving
> > NON-Citizenship?? (I've only ever heard of it the other way around...)
make a copy of the welcome letter he got with the green card? I am curious to know
what happens, a certificate of non-citizenship... give me a break... Have you thought
of calling the consulate helpline?
> > Also, with the lost green-card, I am assuming he's going to have to go to
> > Charlotte in person to file for a replacement?
Don't know, usually just mail in form I-90, and he can get the A number off his
welcome letter or any other piece of INS paperwork that he still has...
- des
> > NON-Citizenship?? (I've only ever heard of it the other way around...)
make a copy of the welcome letter he got with the green card? I am curious to know
what happens, a certificate of non-citizenship... give me a break... Have you thought
of calling the consulate helpline?
> > Also, with the lost green-card, I am assuming he's going to have to go to
> > Charlotte in person to file for a replacement?
Don't know, usually just mail in form I-90, and he can get the A number off his
welcome letter or any other piece of INS paperwork that he still has...
- des
May 8th 2002, 12:10 am
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"Betastar" <[email protected]> wrote:
> First, he's trying to get his passport renewed, and since Austria doesn't allow
> dual-citizenship, they have asked him to get proof that he is not a citizen.
>
> Has anyone heard of any such thing? Some sort of certificate proving
> NON-Citizenship?? (I've only ever heard of it the other way around...)
I'll second what "Mr Travel" said. They want a copy of his greencard or other
documentation of immigration status in the US. I guess he'll have to get that before
they'll give him a new passport but perhaps they would accept an affidavit from him
that he isn't a US citizen?
Andy.
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> First, he's trying to get his passport renewed, and since Austria doesn't allow
> dual-citizenship, they have asked him to get proof that he is not a citizen.
>
> Has anyone heard of any such thing? Some sort of certificate proving
> NON-Citizenship?? (I've only ever heard of it the other way around...)
I'll second what "Mr Travel" said. They want a copy of his greencard or other
documentation of immigration status in the US. I guess he'll have to get that before
they'll give him a new passport but perhaps they would accept an affidavit from him
that he isn't a US citizen?
Andy.
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I'm not really here - it's just your warped imagination.
May 8th 2002, 1:40 am
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Re: Certificate of NON-Citizenship? (And other questions...)
On 8 May 2002 00:42:53 -0700, [email protected] (Des) wrote:
>> > Has anyone heard of any such thing? Some sort of certificate proving
>> > NON-Citizenship?? (I've only ever heard of it the other way around...)
>
>make a copy of the welcome letter he got with the green card?
*LOL* Sorry - he got the green-card about 30 years ago. I don't think he has any
welcome letter if he doesn't have the actual card.
>I am curious to know what happens, a certificate of non-citizenship... give me a
>break... Have you thought of calling the consulate helpline?
Austria doesn't allow dual citizenship, and since he's been in the US for over
30 years, they want to be sure he hasn't taken US citizenship. It makes an odd
sort of sense.
>Don't know, usually just mail in form I-90, and he can get the A number off his
>welcome letter or any other piece of INS paperwork that he still has...
See above
>> > Has anyone heard of any such thing? Some sort of certificate proving
>> > NON-Citizenship?? (I've only ever heard of it the other way around...)
>
>make a copy of the welcome letter he got with the green card?
*LOL* Sorry - he got the green-card about 30 years ago. I don't think he has any
welcome letter if he doesn't have the actual card.
>I am curious to know what happens, a certificate of non-citizenship... give me a
>break... Have you thought of calling the consulate helpline?
Austria doesn't allow dual citizenship, and since he's been in the US for over
30 years, they want to be sure he hasn't taken US citizenship. It makes an odd
sort of sense.
>Don't know, usually just mail in form I-90, and he can get the A number off his
>welcome letter or any other piece of INS paperwork that he still has...
See above
May 8th 2002, 1:56 am
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Re: Certificate of NON-Citizenship? (And other questions...)
Wow. Is this your husband's 'older brother'? Estimate the brother must be around 48 or so ;-) I love that age ... wish I could be it again myself.
Rete
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May 8th 2002, 2:10 am
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On Wed, 8 May 2002 07:32:54 -0400, "Andy Platt" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I'll second what "Mr Travel" said. They want a copy of his greencard or other
>documentation of immigration status in the US. I guess he'll have to get that before
>they'll give him a new passport but perhaps they would accept an affidavit from him
>that he isn't a US citizen?
I was thinking about this, too - I don't know that his greencard would be sufficient.
I mean, what if you got your 10-year green-card, then 3 years later got citizenship?
The green-card is still good, but you're a citizen....
>
>I'll second what "Mr Travel" said. They want a copy of his greencard or other
>documentation of immigration status in the US. I guess he'll have to get that before
>they'll give him a new passport but perhaps they would accept an affidavit from him
>that he isn't a US citizen?
I was thinking about this, too - I don't know that his greencard would be sufficient.
I mean, what if you got your 10-year green-card, then 3 years later got citizenship?
The green-card is still good, but you're a citizen....
May 8th 2002, 2:10 am
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"Betastar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 8 May 2002 07:32:54 -0400, "Andy Platt" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >I'll second what "Mr Travel" said. They want a copy of his greencard or other
> >documentation of immigration status in the US. I guess he'll have
to
> >get that before they'll give him a new passport but perhaps they would accept an
> >affidavit from him that he isn't a US citizen?
>
> I was thinking about this, too - I don't know that his greencard would be
> sufficient. I mean, what if you got your 10-year green-card, then 3 years later got
> citizenship? The green-card is still good, but you're a citizen....
You have to turn in your GC when you go to the naturalization ceremony.
Andy.
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news
[email protected]...> On Wed, 8 May 2002 07:32:54 -0400, "Andy Platt" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >I'll second what "Mr Travel" said. They want a copy of his greencard or other
> >documentation of immigration status in the US. I guess he'll have
to
> >get that before they'll give him a new passport but perhaps they would accept an
> >affidavit from him that he isn't a US citizen?
>
> I was thinking about this, too - I don't know that his greencard would be
> sufficient. I mean, what if you got your 10-year green-card, then 3 years later got
> citizenship? The green-card is still good, but you're a citizen....
You have to turn in your GC when you go to the naturalization ceremony.
Andy.
--
I'm not really here - it's just your warped imagination.
May 8th 2002, 5:28 am
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Re: Certificate of NON-Citizenship? (And other questions...)
I found this on the London Embassy website regarding children of US citizens:
"What if I do not meet the requirements for transmission of citizenship to my child? Please complete and return the form FS-579 by mail together with a covering letter explaining that you do not meet the requirements for transmission of citizenship to your child. You will be sent a formal letter of ‘no claim’. This letter should then be submitted with any visa application you may make on behalf of your child."
The fact that they provide a "letter of 'no claim'" implies that there is no such thing as a certificate of non-citizenship.
What about getting a notarised affidavit from someone who knows him well to state that he has always made it known that he is not a US citizen and indeed claims Austrian citizenship? I'm surprised that the Austrian consulate doesn't tell him exactly what they will accept.
"What if I do not meet the requirements for transmission of citizenship to my child? Please complete and return the form FS-579 by mail together with a covering letter explaining that you do not meet the requirements for transmission of citizenship to your child. You will be sent a formal letter of ‘no claim’. This letter should then be submitted with any visa application you may make on behalf of your child."
The fact that they provide a "letter of 'no claim'" implies that there is no such thing as a certificate of non-citizenship.
What about getting a notarised affidavit from someone who knows him well to state that he has always made it known that he is not a US citizen and indeed claims Austrian citizenship? I'm surprised that the Austrian consulate doesn't tell him exactly what they will accept.
May 8th 2002, 9:20 am
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On 8 May 2002 14:10:07 GMT, Rete <[email protected]> wrote:
>Wow. Is this your husband's 'older brother'? Estimate the brother must be around 48
>or so I love that age ... wish I could be it again myself.
54. JP's the oldest of the 4 brothers, Reinhard's the youngest. Papa was a
happy man
JP is how Reinhard and I met. =)
>Wow. Is this your husband's 'older brother'? Estimate the brother must be around 48
>or so
I love that age ... wish I could be it again myself.54. JP's the oldest of the 4 brothers, Reinhard's the youngest. Papa was a
happy man
JP is how Reinhard and I met. =)
May 8th 2002, 11:44 am
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Re: Certificate of NON-Citizenship? (And other questions...)
Cool ... he's older than I am ... I like that
