came in US with fiance visa and failed to marry him- FR. ms. confused
Dec 15th 2002, 7:02 am
#16
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Re: came in US with fiance visa and failed to marry him- FR. ms.confused
Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>
> Steve wrote:
>
> > I'm sort of new, but are you an immigration attorney? I've had many
> > attorneys tell me that once you overstay a K-1, you are on the INS
> > blacklist. I'm only repeating what experts in the field have told me.
> > Are you an expert or have personal knowledge otherwise?
>
> Try reading the actual law (ins.gov).
Nah, let's not let the facts get in the way.
I am wondering why he would even be asking this question to "many
attorneys"
I have never met an immigration attorney in my life, but this guys has
had "many" of them tell him about some K-1 blacklist.
>
> Steve wrote:
>
> > I'm sort of new, but are you an immigration attorney? I've had many
> > attorneys tell me that once you overstay a K-1, you are on the INS
> > blacklist. I'm only repeating what experts in the field have told me.
> > Are you an expert or have personal knowledge otherwise?
>
> Try reading the actual law (ins.gov).
Nah, let's not let the facts get in the way.
I am wondering why he would even be asking this question to "many
attorneys"
I have never met an immigration attorney in my life, but this guys has
had "many" of them tell him about some K-1 blacklist.
Dec 15th 2002, 7:31 am
#17
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Re: came in US with fiance visa and failed to marry him- FR. ms.confused./FRAUD FRAUD
> > We can't hardly stand to go a day without talking on the phone. It is
> > misery being apart. To us, we are already married to each other. It
> > amazes me how people can come here and need 90 days to decide to get
> > married or not. If you are doing it right, you'd be willing to get
> > married the first day after you arrive and not even think twice about it.
>
In article ,
Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> Yeah and what if things are not exactly how they seemed on the phone and
> the breif time period(s) you've managed to spend together? It is well
> known that people put on their best faces in the beginning of a
> relationship and many people seem to change after marriage or
> cohabitation. Why is that?
>
Yeah, I remember the Filipino fiance who stepped off the plane, and her
US fiance was standing there stoned to the bone and higher than a kite
on some serious hard stuff.
She decided not to marry him...gee, I wonder why?
Could it be that he took off his "best face", and she did not like what
she saw? Hmmmm.....
--
Matta
> > misery being apart. To us, we are already married to each other. It
> > amazes me how people can come here and need 90 days to decide to get
> > married or not. If you are doing it right, you'd be willing to get
> > married the first day after you arrive and not even think twice about it.
>
In article ,
Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> Yeah and what if things are not exactly how they seemed on the phone and
> the breif time period(s) you've managed to spend together? It is well
> known that people put on their best faces in the beginning of a
> relationship and many people seem to change after marriage or
> cohabitation. Why is that?
>
Yeah, I remember the Filipino fiance who stepped off the plane, and her
US fiance was standing there stoned to the bone and higher than a kite
on some serious hard stuff.
She decided not to marry him...gee, I wonder why?
Could it be that he took off his "best face", and she did not like what
she saw? Hmmmm.....
--
Matta
Dec 15th 2002, 7:45 am
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Re: came in US with fiance visa and failed to marry him- FR. ms.confused./FRAUD
Whatever.
Matta Harri wrote:
>>>We can't hardly stand to go a day without talking on the phone. It is
>>>misery being apart. To us, we are already married to each other. It
>>>amazes me how people can come here and need 90 days to decide to get
>>>married or not. If you are doing it right, you'd be willing to get
>>>married the first day after you arrive and not even think twice about it.
> In article ,
> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>
>>Yeah and what if things are not exactly how they seemed on the phone and
>>the breif time period(s) you've managed to spend together? It is well
>>known that people put on their best faces in the beginning of a
>>relationship and many people seem to change after marriage or
>>cohabitation. Why is that?
>
> Yeah, I remember the Filipino fiance who stepped off the plane, and her
> US fiance was standing there stoned to the bone and higher than a kite
> on some serious hard stuff.
> She decided not to marry him...gee, I wonder why?
> Could it be that he took off his "best face", and she did not like what
> she saw? Hmmmm.....
Matta Harri wrote:
>>>We can't hardly stand to go a day without talking on the phone. It is
>>>misery being apart. To us, we are already married to each other. It
>>>amazes me how people can come here and need 90 days to decide to get
>>>married or not. If you are doing it right, you'd be willing to get
>>>married the first day after you arrive and not even think twice about it.
> In article ,
> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>
>>Yeah and what if things are not exactly how they seemed on the phone and
>>the breif time period(s) you've managed to spend together? It is well
>>known that people put on their best faces in the beginning of a
>>relationship and many people seem to change after marriage or
>>cohabitation. Why is that?
>
> Yeah, I remember the Filipino fiance who stepped off the plane, and her
> US fiance was standing there stoned to the bone and higher than a kite
> on some serious hard stuff.
> She decided not to marry him...gee, I wonder why?
> Could it be that he took off his "best face", and she did not like what
> she saw? Hmmmm.....
Dec 15th 2002, 7:47 am
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Re: came in US with fiance visa and failed to marry him- FR. ms.confused
I am not just a 'this guy'. 9 years ago, I had a Russian lady here who
I married on the last day of the 90 days. It was back then that I asked
this question to several attorneys because I was undecided what to do.
I will still stand by my assertion that overstaying a K-1 visa is not a
wise thing to do and can lead to many difficulties. Can we agree to
leave it at that? Jeeeez.
mrtravel wrote:
>
> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>
>>Steve wrote:
>>>I'm sort of new, but are you an immigration attorney? I've had many
>>>attorneys tell me that once you overstay a K-1, you are on the INS
>>>blacklist. I'm only repeating what experts in the field have told me.
>>>Are you an expert or have personal knowledge otherwise?
>>Try reading the actual law (ins.gov).
>
>
> Nah, let's not let the facts get in the way.
> I am wondering why he would even be asking this question to "many
> attorneys"
> I have never met an immigration attorney in my life, but this guys has
> had "many" of them tell him about some K-1 blacklist.
I married on the last day of the 90 days. It was back then that I asked
this question to several attorneys because I was undecided what to do.
I will still stand by my assertion that overstaying a K-1 visa is not a
wise thing to do and can lead to many difficulties. Can we agree to
leave it at that? Jeeeez.
mrtravel wrote:
>
> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>
>>Steve wrote:
>>>I'm sort of new, but are you an immigration attorney? I've had many
>>>attorneys tell me that once you overstay a K-1, you are on the INS
>>>blacklist. I'm only repeating what experts in the field have told me.
>>>Are you an expert or have personal knowledge otherwise?
>>Try reading the actual law (ins.gov).
>
>
> Nah, let's not let the facts get in the way.
> I am wondering why he would even be asking this question to "many
> attorneys"
> I have never met an immigration attorney in my life, but this guys has
> had "many" of them tell him about some K-1 blacklist.
Dec 15th 2002, 11:15 am
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Re: came in US with fiance visa and failed to marry him- FR. ms. confused./FRAUD FRAU
Originally posted by Darren
You DESERVE to be deported !!!
You DESERVE to be deported !!!
About thirty months ago, I met a Philippine gal online. I wasn't looking for a wife, but was looking to chat with people while in the middle of a bloody mess that my then estranged Chinese wife had made. We became very good friends and talked by voice via the Internet every day for a few months.
She was a middle-aged Catholic widow who had worked as a secretary in Dubai, UAE for ten years. Returning to Philippines was no longer a viable option for her, and neither was marriage to someone in UAE. She ended up meeting a guy from Oklahoma online who was divorced, and she and I eventually lost touch with each other.
Then last March, she sent an email to say that she had just received a fiance viaa, had just quit her job in Dubai, and was leaving with nothing but a suitcase to go marry the guy in Oklahoma. I sent her my biggest congratulations and told her how happy I was for her. I aksed her to keep in touch with me.
Two weeks later, she wrote back to ask for advice: The American guy was physically abusive and was sleeping with his house maid; she had taken refuge with someone else who took her in. I emailed my phone number and wrote several times, but I never heard from her again and I knew nothing more about her location than the state of Oklahoma. The poor woman had no place in the entire world to go, and I am about in tears right now imagining all of the bad things that could have happened to her.
The person who posted this message might just be this sweet woman. I never met her, but she nursed me through the worst nightmare of my life.
Shame on any of you who would think that you are so much better than her.
Dec 15th 2002, 11:56 am
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Re: came in US with fiance visa and failed to marry him- FR. ms.
Oh, I can't be deported. I have ancestors in the USA going back to
middle 1700's. Sorry. I'm sure there are nice ladies who come here and
get a bad surprise. But, on the other hand, they may be nice, but they
sure didn't do their 'homework' to know who they were coming here to
marry did they? For every 'nice' woman who gets and unpleasant surprise
(I know of one myself), there are 50 others who come here for
opportunity, however they can get it.
So, I don't think you should want me deported for accurately telling the
'real world' situation.
And, by the way, can't you disagree without getting PERSONAL? It is so
disgusting when someone has to resort to this tactic, and it really
lowers a person (in my eyes) who must do this.
bobzy wrote:
> Originally posted by Darren
> You DESERVE to be deported !!! Darren, Steve, and anyone
> else who would cast stones without knowing someone's situation:
>
> About thirty months ago, I met a Philippine gal online. I wasn't
> looking for a wife, but was looking to chat with people while in the
> middle of a bloody mess that my then estranged Chinese wife had made.
> We became very good friends and talked by voice via the Internet every
> day for a few months.
>
> She was a middle-aged Catholic widow who had worked as a secretary in
> Dubai, UAE for ten years. Returning to Philippines was no longer a
> viable option for her, and neither was marriage to someone in UAE. She
> ended up meeting a guy from Oklahoma online who was divorced, and she
> and I eventually lost touch with each other.
>
> Then last March, she sent an email to say that she had just received a
> fiance viaa, had just quit her job in Dubai, and was leaving with
> nothing but a suitcase to go marry the guy in Oklahoma. I sent her my
> biggest congratulations and told her how happy I was for her. I aksed
> her to keep in touch with me.
>
> Two weeks later, she wrote back to ask for advice: The American guy was
> physically abusive and was sleeping with his house maid; she had taken
> refuge with someone else who took her in. I emailed my phone number and
> wrote several times, but I never heard from her again and I knew nothing
> more about her location than the state of Oklahoma. The poor woman had
> no place in the entire world to go, and I am about in tears right now
> imagining all of the bad things that could have happened to her.
>
> The person who posted this message might just be this sweet woman. I
> never met her, but she nursed me through the worst nightmare of my life.
>
> Shame on any of you who would think that you are so much better than
> her.
>
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
middle 1700's. Sorry. I'm sure there are nice ladies who come here and
get a bad surprise. But, on the other hand, they may be nice, but they
sure didn't do their 'homework' to know who they were coming here to
marry did they? For every 'nice' woman who gets and unpleasant surprise
(I know of one myself), there are 50 others who come here for
opportunity, however they can get it.
So, I don't think you should want me deported for accurately telling the
'real world' situation.
And, by the way, can't you disagree without getting PERSONAL? It is so
disgusting when someone has to resort to this tactic, and it really
lowers a person (in my eyes) who must do this.
bobzy wrote:
> Originally posted by Darren
> You DESERVE to be deported !!! Darren, Steve, and anyone
> else who would cast stones without knowing someone's situation:
>
> About thirty months ago, I met a Philippine gal online. I wasn't
> looking for a wife, but was looking to chat with people while in the
> middle of a bloody mess that my then estranged Chinese wife had made.
> We became very good friends and talked by voice via the Internet every
> day for a few months.
>
> She was a middle-aged Catholic widow who had worked as a secretary in
> Dubai, UAE for ten years. Returning to Philippines was no longer a
> viable option for her, and neither was marriage to someone in UAE. She
> ended up meeting a guy from Oklahoma online who was divorced, and she
> and I eventually lost touch with each other.
>
> Then last March, she sent an email to say that she had just received a
> fiance viaa, had just quit her job in Dubai, and was leaving with
> nothing but a suitcase to go marry the guy in Oklahoma. I sent her my
> biggest congratulations and told her how happy I was for her. I aksed
> her to keep in touch with me.
>
> Two weeks later, she wrote back to ask for advice: The American guy was
> physically abusive and was sleeping with his house maid; she had taken
> refuge with someone else who took her in. I emailed my phone number and
> wrote several times, but I never heard from her again and I knew nothing
> more about her location than the state of Oklahoma. The poor woman had
> no place in the entire world to go, and I am about in tears right now
> imagining all of the bad things that could have happened to her.
>
> The person who posted this message might just be this sweet woman. I
> never met her, but she nursed me through the worst nightmare of my life.
>
> Shame on any of you who would think that you are so much better than
> her.
>
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Dec 15th 2002, 1:22 pm
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Re: came in US with fiance visa and failed to marry him- FR. ms.
Originally posted by Steve
For every 'nice' woman who gets and unpleasant surprise (I know of one myself), there are 50 others who come here for opportunity, however they can get it.
For every 'nice' woman who gets and unpleasant surprise (I know of one myself), there are 50 others who come here for opportunity, however they can get it.
Dec 15th 2002, 3:10 pm
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Re: came in US with fiance visa and failed to marry him- FR. ms.confused
Steve wrote:
> Please don't condemn me.
I'm not condemning you - I'm merely pointing you to a more definitive
source. There's a big difference here.
> I was just assuming that these attorneys had read the law (which is
> not my job).
Assumptions can get you into trouble - especially when you rely on them
and state them as fact.
> Assuming from your post that you have read the actual law, please tell
> us what it says.
As you have said "it's not my job". If you are that interested in
learning about this then you can do your own homework.
> Please don't condemn me.
I'm not condemning you - I'm merely pointing you to a more definitive
source. There's a big difference here.
> I was just assuming that these attorneys had read the law (which is
> not my job).
Assumptions can get you into trouble - especially when you rely on them
and state them as fact.
> Assuming from your post that you have read the actual law, please tell
> us what it says.
As you have said "it's not my job". If you are that interested in
learning about this then you can do your own homework.
Dec 15th 2002, 3:24 pm
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Steve wrote:
> I am not just a 'this guy'. 9 years ago, I had a Russian lady here
> who I married on the last day of the 90 days. It was back then that I
> asked this question to several attorneys because I was undecided what
> to do.
Weren't you the guy who said:
It amazes me how people can come here and need 90 days to decide to
get married or not. If you are doing it right, you'd be willing to
get married the first day after you arrive and not even think twice
about it.
And yet you now say that 9 years ago you took 90 days to decide to get
married or not?
Hmmm... well you are supposed to know that you were in a committed
relationship! Engaged means that you make a commitment and promise to
marry. IOW you were supposed to know beforehand - not to bring her here
and wait till the last moment to decide which side of the fence you were
on! Yeah things can change and not be exactly as you had thought or had
wished - for both the US citizen and the alien - but then again that is
our argument whereas you seem to be arguing the opposite. I guess you
could admit you are wrong and agree with our statement or admit you were
wrong by bringing somebody here almost illegally (the INS allows
fiance'es to come here because they are committed to marrying not
because they are on some 90 day trial period). Either way you dug your
own grave here and yes, now I'm condemning you.
> I will still stand by my assertion that overstaying a K-1 visa is not
> a wise thing to do and can lead to many difficulties. Can we agree to
> leave it at that? Jeeeez.
As you have put it - whatever!
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Steve wrote:
I am not
just a 'this guy'.Å¡ 9 years ago, I had a Russian lady here who I married
on the last day of the 90 days.Å¡ It was back then that I asked this question
to several attorneys because I was undecided what to do.
Weren't you the guy who said:
It amazes me how people can come here and need 90 days to decide
to get married or not.Å¡ If you are doing it right, you'd be willing to get
married the first day after you arrive and not even think twice about it.
And yet you now say that 9 years ago you took 90 days to decide to get married
or not?
Hmmm... well you are supposed to know that you were in a committed relationship!
Engaged means that you make a commitment and promise to marry. IOW you were
supposed to know beforehand - not to bring her here and wait till the last
moment to decide which side of the fence you were on! Yeah things can change
and not be exactly as you had thought or had wished - for both the US citizen
and the alien - but then again that is our argument whereas you seem to be
arguing the opposite. I guess you could admit you are wrong and agree with
our statement or admit you were wrong by bringing somebody here almost illegally
(the INS allows fiancées to come here because they are committed to marrying
not because they are on some 90 day trial period). Either way you dug your
own grave here and yes, now I'm condemning you.
I will
still stand by my assertion that overstaying a K-1 visa is not a wise thing
to do and can lead to many difficulties.Å¡ Can we agree to leave it at that?Å¡
Jeeeez.
As you have put it - whatever!
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Steve wrote:
> I am not just a 'this guy'. 9 years ago, I had a Russian lady here
> who I married on the last day of the 90 days. It was back then that I
> asked this question to several attorneys because I was undecided what
> to do.
Weren't you the guy who said:
It amazes me how people can come here and need 90 days to decide to
get married or not. If you are doing it right, you'd be willing to
get married the first day after you arrive and not even think twice
about it.
And yet you now say that 9 years ago you took 90 days to decide to get
married or not?
Hmmm... well you are supposed to know that you were in a committed
relationship! Engaged means that you make a commitment and promise to
marry. IOW you were supposed to know beforehand - not to bring her here
and wait till the last moment to decide which side of the fence you were
on! Yeah things can change and not be exactly as you had thought or had
wished - for both the US citizen and the alien - but then again that is
our argument whereas you seem to be arguing the opposite. I guess you
could admit you are wrong and agree with our statement or admit you were
wrong by bringing somebody here almost illegally (the INS allows
fiance'es to come here because they are committed to marrying not
because they are on some 90 day trial period). Either way you dug your
own grave here and yes, now I'm condemning you.
> I will still stand by my assertion that overstaying a K-1 visa is not
> a wise thing to do and can lead to many difficulties. Can we agree to
> leave it at that? Jeeeez.
As you have put it - whatever!
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Steve wrote:
I am not
just a 'this guy'.Å¡ 9 years ago, I had a Russian lady here who I married
on the last day of the 90 days.Å¡ It was back then that I asked this question
to several attorneys because I was undecided what to do.
Weren't you the guy who said:
It amazes me how people can come here and need 90 days to decide
to get married or not.Å¡ If you are doing it right, you'd be willing to get
married the first day after you arrive and not even think twice about it.
And yet you now say that 9 years ago you took 90 days to decide to get married
or not?
Hmmm... well you are supposed to know that you were in a committed relationship!
Engaged means that you make a commitment and promise to marry. IOW you were
supposed to know beforehand - not to bring her here and wait till the last
moment to decide which side of the fence you were on! Yeah things can change
and not be exactly as you had thought or had wished - for both the US citizen
and the alien - but then again that is our argument whereas you seem to be
arguing the opposite. I guess you could admit you are wrong and agree with
our statement or admit you were wrong by bringing somebody here almost illegally
(the INS allows fiancées to come here because they are committed to marrying
not because they are on some 90 day trial period). Either way you dug your
own grave here and yes, now I'm condemning you.
I will
still stand by my assertion that overstaying a K-1 visa is not a wise thing
to do and can lead to many difficulties.Å¡ Can we agree to leave it at that?Å¡
Jeeeez.
As you have put it - whatever!
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Dec 15th 2002, 3:27 pm
#25
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Re: came in US with fiance visa and failed to marry him- FR. ms.confused
Andrew,
I only wish I was a smart as you. At least I learned from my mistake 9
years ago. But folks like you were born perfect.
Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>
>> I am not just a 'this guy'. 9 years ago, I had a Russian lady here
>> who I married on the last day of the 90 days. It was back then that I
>> asked this question to several attorneys because I was undecided what
>> to do.
>
> Weren't you the guy who said:
>
> It amazes me how people can come here and need 90 days to decide to
> get married or not. If you are doing it right, you'd be willing to
> get married the first day after you arrive and not even think twice
> about it.
>
> And yet you now say that 9 years ago you took 90 days to decide to get
> married or not?
>
> Hmmm... well you are supposed to know that you were in a committed
> relationship! Engaged means that you make a commitment and promise to
> marry. IOW you were supposed to know beforehand - not to bring her here
> and wait till the last moment to decide which side of the fence you were
> on! Yeah things can change and not be exactly as you had thought or had
> wished - for both the US citizen and the alien - but then again that is
> our argument whereas you seem to be arguing the opposite. I guess you
> could admit you are wrong and agree with our statement or admit you were
> wrong by bringing somebody here almost illegally (the INS allows
> fiance'es to come here because they are committed to marrying not because
> they are on some 90 day trial period). Either way you dug your own grave
> here and yes, now I'm condemning you.
>
>> I will still stand by my assertion that overstaying a K-1 visa is not
>> a wise thing to do and can lead to many difficulties. Can we agree to
>> leave it at that? Jeeeez.
>
> As you have put it - whatever!
I only wish I was a smart as you. At least I learned from my mistake 9
years ago. But folks like you were born perfect.
Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>
>> I am not just a 'this guy'. 9 years ago, I had a Russian lady here
>> who I married on the last day of the 90 days. It was back then that I
>> asked this question to several attorneys because I was undecided what
>> to do.
>
> Weren't you the guy who said:
>
> It amazes me how people can come here and need 90 days to decide to
> get married or not. If you are doing it right, you'd be willing to
> get married the first day after you arrive and not even think twice
> about it.
>
> And yet you now say that 9 years ago you took 90 days to decide to get
> married or not?
>
> Hmmm... well you are supposed to know that you were in a committed
> relationship! Engaged means that you make a commitment and promise to
> marry. IOW you were supposed to know beforehand - not to bring her here
> and wait till the last moment to decide which side of the fence you were
> on! Yeah things can change and not be exactly as you had thought or had
> wished - for both the US citizen and the alien - but then again that is
> our argument whereas you seem to be arguing the opposite. I guess you
> could admit you are wrong and agree with our statement or admit you were
> wrong by bringing somebody here almost illegally (the INS allows
> fiance'es to come here because they are committed to marrying not because
> they are on some 90 day trial period). Either way you dug your own grave
> here and yes, now I'm condemning you.
>
>> I will still stand by my assertion that overstaying a K-1 visa is not
>> a wise thing to do and can lead to many difficulties. Can we agree to
>> leave it at that? Jeeeez.
>
> As you have put it - whatever!
Dec 15th 2002, 3:40 pm
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Re: came in US with fiance visa and failed to marry him- FR. ms.confused
Steve wrote:
> Oh, I can't be deported. I have ancestors in the USA going back to
> middle 1700's. Sorry.
It is not impossible for you to be stripped of your citizenship and
deported somewhere - not likely but not impossible I hear.
> I'm sure there are nice ladies who come here and get a bad surprise.
> But, on the other hand, they may be nice, but they sure didn't do
> their 'homework' to know who they were coming here to marry did they?
You mean like your lady, who came here while you had her on a trial
basis, trying to figure out whether or not you'd marry her within the 90
days? I mean, that's what you wrote. Bottom line is people are people
and do make mistakes. To condemn others and wish them deported without
knowing the facts behind the situation is deplorable.
> For every 'nice' woman who gets and unpleasant surprise (I know of one
> myself), there are 50 others who come here for opportunity, however
> they can get it.
Yeah like maybe the opportunity to marry a nice person and have a happy
life. How dare they! Deport them all!
Unlike the picture you paint here, statistically there are very few
aliens who enter here with fraudulent intent - less than 1/10 of 1% last
time I looked it up. However, we wouldn't want such facts clouding up
our opinions now would we. Far better to paint a 1 in 50 picture with
the 50 being deceivers!
> So, I don't think you should want me deported for accurately telling
> the 'real world' situation.
Perhaps you should also look up "real world" and/or show some data to
back up your assertions!
> And, by the way, can't you disagree without getting PERSONAL? It is
> so disgusting when someone has to resort to this tactic, and it really
> lowers a person (in my eyes) who must do this.
You are the one being disgusting, condemning others to deportation
without any facts or true knowledge of the situation, spouting off
assertions as "real world" without any real data (and being way off
base), stating that people should know they want to marry and then
waiting to the last minute because you're unsure and then you wonder why
people get personal? Because you are being hypocritical.
> Oh, I can't be deported. I have ancestors in the USA going back to
> middle 1700's. Sorry.
It is not impossible for you to be stripped of your citizenship and
deported somewhere - not likely but not impossible I hear.
> I'm sure there are nice ladies who come here and get a bad surprise.
> But, on the other hand, they may be nice, but they sure didn't do
> their 'homework' to know who they were coming here to marry did they?
You mean like your lady, who came here while you had her on a trial
basis, trying to figure out whether or not you'd marry her within the 90
days? I mean, that's what you wrote. Bottom line is people are people
and do make mistakes. To condemn others and wish them deported without
knowing the facts behind the situation is deplorable.
> For every 'nice' woman who gets and unpleasant surprise (I know of one
> myself), there are 50 others who come here for opportunity, however
> they can get it.
Yeah like maybe the opportunity to marry a nice person and have a happy
life. How dare they! Deport them all!
Unlike the picture you paint here, statistically there are very few
aliens who enter here with fraudulent intent - less than 1/10 of 1% last
time I looked it up. However, we wouldn't want such facts clouding up
our opinions now would we. Far better to paint a 1 in 50 picture with
the 50 being deceivers!
> So, I don't think you should want me deported for accurately telling
> the 'real world' situation.
Perhaps you should also look up "real world" and/or show some data to
back up your assertions!
> And, by the way, can't you disagree without getting PERSONAL? It is
> so disgusting when someone has to resort to this tactic, and it really
> lowers a person (in my eyes) who must do this.
You are the one being disgusting, condemning others to deportation
without any facts or true knowledge of the situation, spouting off
assertions as "real world" without any real data (and being way off
base), stating that people should know they want to marry and then
waiting to the last minute because you're unsure and then you wonder why
people get personal? Because you are being hypocritical.
Dec 15th 2002, 3:47 pm
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: came in US with fiance visa and failed to marry him- FR. ms.confused
"Perhaps you should also look up "real world" and/or show some data to
back up your assertions!"
That's not my job, 'pal'.
Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>
>> Oh, I can't be deported. I have ancestors in the USA going back to
>> middle 1700's. Sorry.
>
>
> It is not impossible for you to be stripped of your citizenship and
> deported somewhere - not likely but not impossible I hear.
>
>> I'm sure there are nice ladies who come here and get a bad surprise.
>> But, on the other hand, they may be nice, but they sure didn't do
>> their 'homework' to know who they were coming here to marry did they?
>
>
> You mean like your lady, who came here while you had her on a trial
> basis, trying to figure out whether or not you'd marry her within the 90
> days? I mean, that's what you wrote. Bottom line is people are people
> and do make mistakes. To condemn others and wish them deported without
> knowing the facts behind the situation is deplorable.
>
>> For every 'nice' woman who gets and unpleasant surprise (I know of one
>> myself), there are 50 others who come here for opportunity, however
>> they can get it.
>
>
> Yeah like maybe the opportunity to marry a nice person and have a happy
> life. How dare they! Deport them all!
>
> Unlike the picture you paint here, statistically there are very few
> aliens who enter here with fraudulent intent - less than 1/10 of 1% last
> time I looked it up. However, we wouldn't want such facts clouding up
> our opinions now would we. Far better to paint a 1 in 50 picture with
> the 50 being deceivers!
>
>> So, I don't think you should want me deported for accurately telling
>> the 'real world' situation.
>
>
> Perhaps you should also look up "real world" and/or show some data to
> back up your assertions!
>
>> And, by the way, can't you disagree without getting PERSONAL? It is
>> so disgusting when someone has to resort to this tactic, and it really
>> lowers a person (in my eyes) who must do this.
>
>
> You are the one being disgusting, condemning others to deportation
> without any facts or true knowledge of the situation, spouting off
> assertions as "real world" without any real data (and being way off
> base), stating that people should know they want to marry and then
> waiting to the last minute because you're unsure and then you wonder why
> people get personal? Because you are being hypocritical.
>
back up your assertions!"
That's not my job, 'pal'.
Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>
>> Oh, I can't be deported. I have ancestors in the USA going back to
>> middle 1700's. Sorry.
>
>
> It is not impossible for you to be stripped of your citizenship and
> deported somewhere - not likely but not impossible I hear.
>
>> I'm sure there are nice ladies who come here and get a bad surprise.
>> But, on the other hand, they may be nice, but they sure didn't do
>> their 'homework' to know who they were coming here to marry did they?
>
>
> You mean like your lady, who came here while you had her on a trial
> basis, trying to figure out whether or not you'd marry her within the 90
> days? I mean, that's what you wrote. Bottom line is people are people
> and do make mistakes. To condemn others and wish them deported without
> knowing the facts behind the situation is deplorable.
>
>> For every 'nice' woman who gets and unpleasant surprise (I know of one
>> myself), there are 50 others who come here for opportunity, however
>> they can get it.
>
>
> Yeah like maybe the opportunity to marry a nice person and have a happy
> life. How dare they! Deport them all!
>
> Unlike the picture you paint here, statistically there are very few
> aliens who enter here with fraudulent intent - less than 1/10 of 1% last
> time I looked it up. However, we wouldn't want such facts clouding up
> our opinions now would we. Far better to paint a 1 in 50 picture with
> the 50 being deceivers!
>
>> So, I don't think you should want me deported for accurately telling
>> the 'real world' situation.
>
>
> Perhaps you should also look up "real world" and/or show some data to
> back up your assertions!
>
>> And, by the way, can't you disagree without getting PERSONAL? It is
>> so disgusting when someone has to resort to this tactic, and it really
>> lowers a person (in my eyes) who must do this.
>
>
> You are the one being disgusting, condemning others to deportation
> without any facts or true knowledge of the situation, spouting off
> assertions as "real world" without any real data (and being way off
> base), stating that people should know they want to marry and then
> waiting to the last minute because you're unsure and then you wonder why
> people get personal? Because you are being hypocritical.
>
Dec 15th 2002, 3:55 pm
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: came in US with fiance visa and failed to marry him- FR. ms.confused
And Mr. DeFart, I mean DeFaria, you may THINK you know everything, but
you don't know a darn thing about what happened 9 years ago! To be so
smart, you sure don't mind making big big assumptions.
But to humor you, I'll tell you what happened. My fiance got here and
had difficulty dealing with my two children. That is why I developed
reservations about whether to marry her or not - plain and simple. No
scandals, no drugs, no drinking, no fiance beating.
All I know is that it seems very strange to me that a woman can come
here as a fiance and within 3 months meet somebody else, overstay her
visa, and then expect pity. I know how things work and she had to be a
pretty 'fast worker' to pull all this off and NOT abide by the LAW that
says she MUST return in 90 days if not married. DO YOU WANT TO REFUTE
WHAT THE LAW SAYS? She is here illegally, plan and simple and no matter
how you slice it.
I would have really liked to have had more time 9 years ago to decide
whether to marry or not, but I abided by the LAW and RULES! This woman
did not, and for that she should go back to the Phillipines and start
from square one. She is trying to short cut the system no matter what
altruistic 'spin' you care to put on it.
Now, I don't care to speak with you further.
you don't know a darn thing about what happened 9 years ago! To be so
smart, you sure don't mind making big big assumptions.
But to humor you, I'll tell you what happened. My fiance got here and
had difficulty dealing with my two children. That is why I developed
reservations about whether to marry her or not - plain and simple. No
scandals, no drugs, no drinking, no fiance beating.
All I know is that it seems very strange to me that a woman can come
here as a fiance and within 3 months meet somebody else, overstay her
visa, and then expect pity. I know how things work and she had to be a
pretty 'fast worker' to pull all this off and NOT abide by the LAW that
says she MUST return in 90 days if not married. DO YOU WANT TO REFUTE
WHAT THE LAW SAYS? She is here illegally, plan and simple and no matter
how you slice it.
I would have really liked to have had more time 9 years ago to decide
whether to marry or not, but I abided by the LAW and RULES! This woman
did not, and for that she should go back to the Phillipines and start
from square one. She is trying to short cut the system no matter what
altruistic 'spin' you care to put on it.
Now, I don't care to speak with you further.
Dec 15th 2002, 6:14 pm
#29
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Re: came in US with fiance visa and failed to marry him- FR. ms.confused
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Steve wrote:
> And Mr. DeFart, I mean DeFaria,
Ha, ha, ha. That's so funny, clever and original! Heard it all before
and don't really care anymore. Is that the best you can do?
> you may THINK you know everything,
Never claimed to.
> but you don't know a darn thing about what happened 9 years ago! To
> be so smart, you sure don't mind making big big assumptions.
My oh my how people hate it when their own logic catches themselves!
> But to humor you, I'll tell you what happened.
No need to humor me - I don't need to know what happened nor did I ask.
I was enough to see that you condemned others for the same things that
you were doing to know that your argument doesn't hold much water at all.
> My fiance' got here and had difficulty dealing with my two children.
> That is why I developed reservations about whether to marry her or not
> - plain and simple. No scandals, no drugs, no drinking, no fiance'
> beating.
And for all you know the same thing could have happened to this lady
too. You never bothered to get the real story from her.
> All I know is that it seems very strange to me that a woman can come
> here as a fiance' and within 3 months meet somebody else, overstay her
> visa, and then expect pity.
I don't recall her saying that she met somebody within 3 months -
perhaps she did. All I remember is that she didn't marry within the
required 3 months and then overstayed. I don't think the length of the
overstay was mentioned either. So she could have been here for say a few
years. It could very well be that her fiance' didn't get along with her
kids so she decided not to marry, got a job, paid taxes and worked for a
year then met some nice man. You don't know because she didn't say.
> I know how things work and she had to be a pretty 'fast worker' to
> pull all this off and NOT abide by the LAW that says she MUST return
> in 90 days if not married. DO YOU WANT TO REFUTE WHAT THE LAW SAYS?
> She is here illegally, plan and simple and no matter how you slice it.
Never said that she was here legally.
> I would have really liked to have had more time 9 years ago to decide
> whether to marry or not, but I abided by the LAW and RULES!
Well technically the rules are that you should be already promised not
in the process deciding. You blasted her for not knowing she really
wanted the guy and yet you became unsure of your girl. It's OK for you
but not OK for her. We all can see through this.
> This woman did not, and for that she should go back to the Phillipines
> and start from square one. She is trying to short cut the system no
> matter what altruistic 'spin' you care to put on it.
I'm not trying to put any altruistic spin on anything. All I'm saying is
that we don't know the facts here and that we know too little to be
judging and sentencing someone.
> Now, I don't care to speak with you further.
Well that does it! Now my feelings are hurt :-( ! (Not! :-) ).
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Steve wrote:
And Mr. DeFart,
I mean DeFaria,
Ha, ha, ha. That's so funny, clever and original! Heard it all before and
don't really care anymore. Is that the best you can do?
you may THINK
you know everything,
Never claimed to.
but you
don't know a darn thing about what happened 9 years ago!Å¡ To be so smart,
you sure don't mind making big big assumptions.
My oh my how people hate it when their own logic catches themselves!
But to humor
you, I'll tell you what happened.Å¡
No need to humor me - I don't need to know what happened nor did I ask. I
was enough to see that you condemned others for the same things that you
were doing to know that your argument doesn't hold much water at all.
My fiancé
got here and had difficulty dealing with my two children.Å¡ That is why I
developed reservations about whether to marry her or not - plain and simple.Å¡
No scandals, no drugs, no drinking, no fiancé beating.
And for all you know the same thing could have happened to this lady too.
You never bothered to get the real story from her.
All I know
is that it seems very strange to me that a woman can come here as a fiancé
and within 3 months meet somebody else, overstay her visa, and then expect
pity.
I don't recall her saying that she met somebody within 3 months - perhaps
she did. All I remember is that she didn't marry within the required 3 months
and then overstayed. I don't think the length of the overstay was mentioned
either. So she could have been here for say a few years. It could very well
be that her fiancé didn't get along with her kids so she decided not
to marry, got a job, paid taxes and worked for a year then met some nice
man. You don't know because she didn't say.
I know how
things work and she had to be a pretty 'fast worker' to pull all this off
and NOT abide by the LAW that says she MUST return in 90 days if not married.Å¡
DO YOU WANT TO REFUTE WHAT THE LAW SAYS?Å¡ She is here illegally, plan and
simple and no matter how you slice it.
Never said that she was here legally.
I would have
really liked to have had more time 9 years ago to decide whether to marry
or not, but I abided by the LAW and RULES!
Well technically the rules are that you should be already promised not in
the process deciding. You blasted her for not knowing she really wanted the
guy and yet you became unsure of your girl. It's OK for you but not OK for
her. We all can see through this.
This woman
did not, and for that she should go back to the Phillipines and start from
square one.Å¡ She is trying to short cut the system no matter what altruistic
'spin' you care to put on it.
I'm not trying to put any altruistic spin on anything. All I'm saying is
that we don't know the facts here and that we know too little to be judging
and sentencing someone.
Now, I don't
care to speak with you further.
Well that does it! Now my feelings are hurt
:-( ! (Not! :-) ).
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Steve wrote:
> And Mr. DeFart, I mean DeFaria,
Ha, ha, ha. That's so funny, clever and original! Heard it all before
and don't really care anymore. Is that the best you can do?
> you may THINK you know everything,
Never claimed to.
> but you don't know a darn thing about what happened 9 years ago! To
> be so smart, you sure don't mind making big big assumptions.
My oh my how people hate it when their own logic catches themselves!
> But to humor you, I'll tell you what happened.
No need to humor me - I don't need to know what happened nor did I ask.
I was enough to see that you condemned others for the same things that
you were doing to know that your argument doesn't hold much water at all.
> My fiance' got here and had difficulty dealing with my two children.
> That is why I developed reservations about whether to marry her or not
> - plain and simple. No scandals, no drugs, no drinking, no fiance'
> beating.
And for all you know the same thing could have happened to this lady
too. You never bothered to get the real story from her.
> All I know is that it seems very strange to me that a woman can come
> here as a fiance' and within 3 months meet somebody else, overstay her
> visa, and then expect pity.
I don't recall her saying that she met somebody within 3 months -
perhaps she did. All I remember is that she didn't marry within the
required 3 months and then overstayed. I don't think the length of the
overstay was mentioned either. So she could have been here for say a few
years. It could very well be that her fiance' didn't get along with her
kids so she decided not to marry, got a job, paid taxes and worked for a
year then met some nice man. You don't know because she didn't say.
> I know how things work and she had to be a pretty 'fast worker' to
> pull all this off and NOT abide by the LAW that says she MUST return
> in 90 days if not married. DO YOU WANT TO REFUTE WHAT THE LAW SAYS?
> She is here illegally, plan and simple and no matter how you slice it.
Never said that she was here legally.
> I would have really liked to have had more time 9 years ago to decide
> whether to marry or not, but I abided by the LAW and RULES!
Well technically the rules are that you should be already promised not
in the process deciding. You blasted her for not knowing she really
wanted the guy and yet you became unsure of your girl. It's OK for you
but not OK for her. We all can see through this.
> This woman did not, and for that she should go back to the Phillipines
> and start from square one. She is trying to short cut the system no
> matter what altruistic 'spin' you care to put on it.
I'm not trying to put any altruistic spin on anything. All I'm saying is
that we don't know the facts here and that we know too little to be
judging and sentencing someone.
> Now, I don't care to speak with you further.
Well that does it! Now my feelings are hurt :-( ! (Not! :-) ).
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Steve wrote:
And Mr. DeFart,
I mean DeFaria,
Ha, ha, ha. That's so funny, clever and original! Heard it all before and
don't really care anymore. Is that the best you can do?
you may THINK
you know everything,
Never claimed to.
but you
don't know a darn thing about what happened 9 years ago!Å¡ To be so smart,
you sure don't mind making big big assumptions.
My oh my how people hate it when their own logic catches themselves!
But to humor
you, I'll tell you what happened.Å¡
No need to humor me - I don't need to know what happened nor did I ask. I
was enough to see that you condemned others for the same things that you
were doing to know that your argument doesn't hold much water at all.
My fiancé
got here and had difficulty dealing with my two children.Å¡ That is why I
developed reservations about whether to marry her or not - plain and simple.Å¡
No scandals, no drugs, no drinking, no fiancé beating.
And for all you know the same thing could have happened to this lady too.
You never bothered to get the real story from her.
All I know
is that it seems very strange to me that a woman can come here as a fiancé
and within 3 months meet somebody else, overstay her visa, and then expect
pity.
I don't recall her saying that she met somebody within 3 months - perhaps
she did. All I remember is that she didn't marry within the required 3 months
and then overstayed. I don't think the length of the overstay was mentioned
either. So she could have been here for say a few years. It could very well
be that her fiancé didn't get along with her kids so she decided not
to marry, got a job, paid taxes and worked for a year then met some nice
man. You don't know because she didn't say.
I know how
things work and she had to be a pretty 'fast worker' to pull all this off
and NOT abide by the LAW that says she MUST return in 90 days if not married.Å¡
DO YOU WANT TO REFUTE WHAT THE LAW SAYS?Å¡ She is here illegally, plan and
simple and no matter how you slice it.
Never said that she was here legally.
I would have
really liked to have had more time 9 years ago to decide whether to marry
or not, but I abided by the LAW and RULES!
Well technically the rules are that you should be already promised not in
the process deciding. You blasted her for not knowing she really wanted the
guy and yet you became unsure of your girl. It's OK for you but not OK for
her. We all can see through this.
This woman
did not, and for that she should go back to the Phillipines and start from
square one.Å¡ She is trying to short cut the system no matter what altruistic
'spin' you care to put on it.
I'm not trying to put any altruistic spin on anything. All I'm saying is
that we don't know the facts here and that we know too little to be judging
and sentencing someone.
Now, I don't
care to speak with you further.
Well that does it! Now my feelings are hurt
:-( ! (Not! :-) ).
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Dec 16th 2002, 12:53 am
#30
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Oct 2002
Location: UK Citizen Now In Baltimore County USA
Posts: 906
Re: came in US with fiance visa and failed to marry him- FR. ms.confused
CHILDREN !!!! you will be sent to your rooms in a minute.
