J. J. Farrell

"James Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Maarten W.G. Andriessen" <@dutchusa..com> wrote in message
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    >
    > > Very unreal like, isn't it? I think they should make special exceptions
for
    > > those families.
    >
    > Why? They came here, broke US law

What law did they break? Is it really against US law to let your spouse go to work
and get killed in a terrorist attack?

    > and are making things harder for prospective legal immigrants.

How are they making things harder for other prospective legal immigrants? I
suspect the terrorists have done a lot more to make things harder for others than
these legal immigration applicants whose spouses and parents were killed in the
terrorist attacks.

    > I take it you have no idea what all those mexicans applying under 245(i) has done
    > to the already backed up traffic jam at the INS.

What has that got to do with the subject at hand?

    > That's just what we needed. Another couple million overcrowding an already
    > overcrowded system. Marvellous.

There were a few thousand people killed in the attack. I guess that only a few
hundred of them (at most) would have had relatives whose immigration applications
were dependent on them. How does this add up to "another couple million"? And since
their applications would almost certainly have been approved in due time, it makes
no difference to the overall numbers - in fact the numbers are lower since some of
the applicants have been killed, and I suspect that others will have decided to
leave the USA.

It doesn't seem unreasonable to treat the surviving relatives as special cases, since
this is a fairly special case.

Donna Maindraul

    > It doesn't seem unreasonable to treat the surviving relatives as special cases,
    > since this is a fairly special case.
    >

But every time that a family's breadwinner dies, it's a tragedy. If he's the one
holding the H1-B, his family loses status and is sent back.

I would think that we should have at least equal compassion toward a family that
isn't already wealthy and isn't the beneficiary of large amounts of government and
charitable assistance as we have toward this family.

Perhaps the special case demonstrates that the law needs to be reworked.

-Donna

Suzy

Are the kids really US Citizens? I thought that kids born in the US to foreign
nationals were in a sort of limbo until they reached 21 when they could either choose
US Citizenship or Citizenship in their parents country.

"Joachim Feise" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > brit_am wrote:
    > >
    > > tranked <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > This woman and her husband came here legally yet she faces
deportation?!?!
    > > >
    > > > Unfreakingbelievable that there is so many illegals that are left to
    > > wander
    > > > this country, but if you legally come here your hounded by the INS.
    > >
    > > I doubt she would indeed be deported seeing that she has 2 children (US citizens)
    > > as dependants.
    >
    > Having children which happen to be US citizens doesn't provide the parents with
    > *any* special rights with regards to immigration. A child has to be at least 21 to
    > be able to sponsor his or her parents.
    >
    > -Joe

James Donovan

"J. J. Farrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > > Very unreal like, isn't it? I think they should make special exceptions
    > for
    > > > those families.
    > >
    > > Why? They came here, broke US law
    >
    > What law did they break? Is it really against US law to let your spouse go to work
    > and get killed in a terrorist attack?

I'm speaking about the Mexican families who hop the border.

    >
    > > and are making things harder for prospective legal immigrants.
    >
    > How are they making things harder for other prospective legal immigrants?

You obviously didn't see the status of the visa bulletin after 245(i).

    > I suspect the terrorists have done a lot more to make things harder for others than
    > these legal immigration applicants whose spouses and parents were killed in the
    > terrorist attacks.

I was talking about the mexicans.

    >
    > > I take it you have no idea what all those mexicans applying under 245(i) has done
    > > to the already backed up traffic jam at the INS.
    >
    > What has that got to do with the subject at hand?

You said that the mexican families whose breadwinner died had to be sent back to the
border....
    >
    > > That's just what we needed. Another couple million overcrowding an already
    > > overcrowded system. Marvellous.
    >
    > There were a few thousand people killed in the attack. I guess that only a few
    > hundred of them (at most) would have had relatives whose immigration applications
    > were dependent on them. How does this add up to "another couple million"?

I was talking about the 245(i) applicants.

Joachim Feise

suzy wrote:
    >
    > Are the kids really US Citizens?

Yes, they are, per the 14th amendment to the US constitution. Children born in the US
under US jurisdiction are citizens of the US. This excludes children of diplomats.

    > I thought that kids born in the US to foreign nationals were in a sort of limbo
    > until they reached 21 when they could either choose US Citizenship or Citizenship
    > in their parents country.

Completely wrong.

-Joe

James Donovan

Donna Maindrault <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > It doesn't seem unreasonable to treat the surviving relatives as special cases,
    > > since this is a fairly special case.
    > >
    >
    > But every time that a family's breadwinner dies, it's a tragedy. If he's the one
    > holding the H1-B, his family loses status and is sent back.

But what's so wrong in going back home? They won't DIE if they have to leave the US,
and it's not as if they're going back to some decrepid third world hole, they're
going back to ENGLAND for christ's sake!
    >
    > I would think that we should have at least equal compassion toward a family that
    > isn't already wealthy and isn't the beneficiary of large amounts of government and
    > charitable assistance as we have toward this family.

They could give them a free plane ticket back home and assistance while they are here
to make preparations. Since the woman's husband died and he was here on a
NONIMMIGRANT visa, the right thing for her to do is to go back home. No, they
shouldn't just kick her out of the country, but they shouldn't just grant her
permanent status either.

Sandar

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    > She'd been better off entering illegally. By being documented she is very easy to
    > track. Meanwhile, millions of people who entered illegally are not being molested.
    > Instead, there is talk of yet another harebrained amnesty. Go figure.

Yeah..right? Where are those illegals working at and how much they get paid? You are
so twisted.

    >
    > "Rita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > The article is inaccurate. She and her husband were NOT seeking citizenship but a
    > > green card.
    > >
    > > Plus the INS has been working with the political powers on this and if you had
    > > the wherewithal to check you would find the results on the INS website.
    > >
    > > Rita
    > >
    > > tranked <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]. 146.10>...
    > > > This woman and her husband came here legally yet she faces
    > deportation?!?!
    > > >
    > > > Unfreakingbelievable that there is so many illegals that are left to
    > wander
    > > > this country, but if you legally come here your hounded by the INS.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Non-citizen widows of the World Trade Center tragedy
    > > >
    > > > Deena Gilbey, a British widow with two American-born children, has been seeking
    > > > citizenship since 1993. With the loss of her husband on Sept. 11, citizenship
    > > > has become even more critical. Learn more about her plight and how you can
    > > > help.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > http://www.noncitizenwtcwidows.com/

Sandar

[email protected] (James Donovan) wrote in message
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    > "J. J. Farrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > > > Very unreal like, isn't it? I think they should make special exceptions
    > for
    > > > > those families.
    > > >
    > > > Why? They came here, broke US law
    > >
    > > What law did they break? Is it really against US law to let your spouse go to
    > > work and get killed in a terrorist attack?
    >
    > I'm speaking about the Mexican families who hop the border.
    >
    > >
    > > > and are making things harder for prospective legal immigrants.
    > >
    > > How are they making things harder for other prospective legal immigrants?
    >
    > You obviously didn't see the status of the visa bulletin after 245(i).
    >
    > > I suspect the terrorists have done a lot more to make things harder for others
    > > than these legal immigration applicants whose spouses and parents were killed in
    > > the terrorist attacks.
    >
    > I was talking about the mexicans.
    >
    > >
    > > > I take it you have no idea what all those mexicans applying under 245(i) has
    > > > done to the already backed up traffic jam at the INS.
    > >
    > > What has that got to do with the subject at hand?
    >
    > You said that the mexican families whose breadwinner died had to be sent back to
    > the border....
    > >
    > > > That's just what we needed. Another couple million overcrowding an already
    > > > overcrowded system. Marvellous.
    > >
    > > There were a few thousand people killed in the attack. I guess that only a few
    > > hundred of them (at most) would have had relatives whose immigration applications
    > > were dependent on them. How does this add up to "another couple million"?
    >
    > I was talking about the 245(i) applicants.

Why didn't you just say from the beginning that you hate Mexicans or better yet
non-white immigrants?

Shotgun

I expect people who enter my country to obey the law, and I'm the one who's twisted?

But since you asked, the illegals work primarily in the construction, meat
processing, construction, and low paying production businesses; jobs that were
filled by Americans before the illegals kicked down the door. The pay averages about
$8.00 per hour.

They also keep everyone's wages in check by satisfying the demand for cheap labor. Of
course they also brought Third World diseases and a crime wave with them too, but I'm
sure a shitferbrains like you isn't counting.

"Sandar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Shotgun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected] ews.com>...
    > > She'd been better off entering illegally. By being documented she is
very
    > > easy to track. Meanwhile, millions of people who entered illegally are
not
    > > being molested. Instead, there is talk of yet another harebrained
amnesty.
    > > Go figure.
    >
    > Yeah..right? Where are those illegals working at and how much they get
paid?
    > You are so twisted.
    >
    > >
    > > "Rita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > The article is inaccurate. She and her husband were NOT seeking citizenship but
    > > > a green card.
    > > >
    > > > Plus the INS has been working with the political powers on this and if you had
    > > > the wherewithal to check you would find the results on the INS website.
    > > >
    > > > Rita
    > > >
    > > > tranked <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:<[email protected]. 146.10>...
    > > > > This woman and her husband came here legally yet she faces
    > > deportation?!?!
    > > > >
    > > > > Unfreakingbelievable that there is so many illegals that are left to
    > > wander
    > > > > this country, but if you legally come here your hounded by the INS.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Non-citizen widows of the World Trade Center tragedy
    > > > >
    > > > > Deena Gilbey, a British widow with two American-born children, has
been
    > > > > seeking citizenship since 1993. With the loss of her husband on
Sept.
    > > > > 11, citizenship has become even more critical. Learn more about her plight
    > > > > and how you can help.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > http://www.noncitizenwtcwidows.com/
    >

J. J. Farrell

"James Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "J. J. Farrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > > > Very unreal like, isn't it? I think they should make special
exceptions
    > > > > for those families.
    > > >
    > > > Why? They came here, broke US law
    > >
    > > What law did they break? Is it really against US law to let your spouse go to
    > > work and get killed in a terrorist attack?
    >
    > I'm speaking about the Mexican families who hop the border.

If you're going to change the subject entirely to something which has not been
discussed previously in the thread, I suggest changing the title at least. If your
message was unrelated to the previous discussion of British and Mexican people
legally in the USA whose primary visa holders were killed in the terrorist attacks,
why did you quote from the earlier message?

Andrew Defaria

J. J. Farrell wrote:

    > If you're going to change the subject entirely to something which has not been
    > discussed previously in the thread, I suggest changing the title at least.

No, start a new thread!

Stephen C. Gall

    > Are the kids really US Citizens? I thought that kids born in the US to foreign
    > nationals were in a sort of limbo until they reached 21 when they could either
    > choose US Citizenship or Citizenship in their parents
country.

Any child born in the US is a US citizen, regardless of the citizenship of the
parents. The major exception is for children born to foreign diplomats.

If one or both parents are not US citizens then the child may also be a citizen of
the parents' country (or countries). It depends on the laws of those other countries.

Lastly, there is no requirement in the US, that child with more than one citizenship
must choose only one citizenship when he reaches a certain age. The US will allow
that child to keep both citizenships for life. The other country also has to allow
this, and many countries do.

Stephen Gallagher

Mrs Blackross

They are US citizens at birth, however they would be unable to file anything with
INS on behalf of their mother until they turn 21...so it would be the parents that
are in limbo

"Stephen C. Gallagher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    > > Are the kids really US Citizens? I thought that kids born in the US to foreign
    > > nationals were in a sort of limbo until they reached 21 when
they
    > > could either choose US Citizenship or Citizenship in their parents
    > country.
    >
    > Any child born in the US is a US citizen, regardless of the citizenship of the
    > parents. The major exception is for children born to foreign diplomats.
    >
    > If one or both parents are not US citizens then the child may also be a citizen of
    > the parents' country (or countries). It depends on the laws of those other
    > countries.
    >
    > Lastly, there is no requirement in the US, that child with more than one
    > citizenship must choose only one citizenship when he reaches a certain age. The US
    > will allow that child to keep both citizenships for life. The other country also
    > has to allow this, and many countries do.
    >
    > Stephen Gallagher

Stephen C. Gall

    >
    > "Stephen C. Gallagher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > > Are the kids really US Citizens? I thought that kids born in the US
to
    > > > foreign nationals were in a sort of limbo until they reached 21 when
    > they
    > > > could either choose US Citizenship or Citizenship in their parents
    > > country.
    > >
    > > Any child born in the US is a US citizen, regardless of the citizenship of the
    > > parents. The major exception is for children born to foreign diplomats.
    > >
    > > If one or both parents are not US citizens then the child may also be a citizen
    > > of the parents' country (or countries). It depends on the laws of those other
    > > countries.
    > >
    > > Lastly, there is no requirement in the US, that child with more than one
    > > citizenship must choose only one citizenship when he reaches a certain age. The
    > > US will allow that child to keep both citizenships for life. The other country
    > > also has to allow this, and many countries do.
    > >
    > > Stephen Gallagher

    >
    > They are US citizens at birth, however they would be unable to file
anything
    > with INS on behalf of their mother until they turn 21...so it would be the parents
    > that are in limbo

Although that was not part of the question being addressed, you are correct that a US
citizen child cannot be of any immigrant benefit to a parent until the child is 21
years old.

The parents must either find some other legal way of remaining in the US, and if they
cannot, then they must leave. Of course they can take their children with them.

Stephen Gallagher