any help getting from uk to usa appreciated
Sep 21st 2002, 3:27 pm
#31
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Re: Laid off
[email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote in message news:...
> > America.
> statistically, Americans don't put in the highest no. of hours per
> week.
A slave will always be made to work hard. That is why your H-1B
buddies work lots of overtime with no pay. If they protest, the
threat of deportation whip is cracked, and they shut up and go back to
slaving again.
> that does not mean that they(americans) deserve to be disliked.
> I was just saying that (the assumption) a country is advanced because
> its citizens are hard-working and poor because its citizens are lazy
> -is an incorrect one.
> to say that people from poor/under-developed countries are to blame
> for the circumstances around them is incorrect.
Then who is to blame? America did not become great by luck and
chance. India did not become poor by luck and chance.
> > We do not want or need you here.
> I don't have the means to barge in on my own. so, you need to tell
> that to businesses who want to recruit manpower from India.
Because we can pay you $10 an hour instead of paying an American $50.
We imported you because you are CHEAP, not because you are smart.
It's the same reason computer parts and Nike's are made in China.
> > America.
> statistically, Americans don't put in the highest no. of hours per
> week.
A slave will always be made to work hard. That is why your H-1B
buddies work lots of overtime with no pay. If they protest, the
threat of deportation whip is cracked, and they shut up and go back to
slaving again.
> that does not mean that they(americans) deserve to be disliked.
> I was just saying that (the assumption) a country is advanced because
> its citizens are hard-working and poor because its citizens are lazy
> -is an incorrect one.
> to say that people from poor/under-developed countries are to blame
> for the circumstances around them is incorrect.
Then who is to blame? America did not become great by luck and
chance. India did not become poor by luck and chance.
> > We do not want or need you here.
> I don't have the means to barge in on my own. so, you need to tell
> that to businesses who want to recruit manpower from India.
Because we can pay you $10 an hour instead of paying an American $50.
We imported you because you are CHEAP, not because you are smart.
It's the same reason computer parts and Nike's are made in China.
Sep 21st 2002, 7:21 pm
#32
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I would legalize prostitution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is so much fun to pay legally for erotic pleasures. What is you
problem? You don'y cheat on you wife? Do you masturbate? What, you do
- than you are cheating on your wife so what does it matter if you pay
for a whore or masturbate? You are still cheating on you wife,
girlfriend, boyfriend.
American corporate pimps recruiting IT prostitutes from foreign lands
becase THERE IS NO AMERICAN WHO CAN HANDLE IT JOB PROPERLY. WE,
AMERICAN WANT TO MANAGE AND MAKE DOUGH- NOT TO WORK. SO LET PEOPLE
FROM OTHER COUNTRIES come here to do jobs rhat requir basic math and
code writting.
[email protected] (Amer20034) wrote in message news:...
> [email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote:
> >I don't have the means to barge in on my own. so, you need to tell
> >that to businesses who want to recruit manpower from India.
> i.e. the American corporate pimps recruiting IT prostitutes from foreign lands.
> Would that legalize prostitution?
> The prostitutes don't seem to mind.
> Neither do the pimps.
That is so much fun to pay legally for erotic pleasures. What is you
problem? You don'y cheat on you wife? Do you masturbate? What, you do
- than you are cheating on your wife so what does it matter if you pay
for a whore or masturbate? You are still cheating on you wife,
girlfriend, boyfriend.
American corporate pimps recruiting IT prostitutes from foreign lands
becase THERE IS NO AMERICAN WHO CAN HANDLE IT JOB PROPERLY. WE,
AMERICAN WANT TO MANAGE AND MAKE DOUGH- NOT TO WORK. SO LET PEOPLE
FROM OTHER COUNTRIES come here to do jobs rhat requir basic math and
code writting.
[email protected] (Amer20034) wrote in message news:...
> [email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote:
> >I don't have the means to barge in on my own. so, you need to tell
> >that to businesses who want to recruit manpower from India.
> i.e. the American corporate pimps recruiting IT prostitutes from foreign lands.
> Would that legalize prostitution?
> The prostitutes don't seem to mind.
> Neither do the pimps.
Sep 22nd 2002, 3:27 am
#33
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Re: Laid off
It's so funny. YOu just proved my point why we don't need foreigners
to do our work.
Corporations hire foreigners because they are cheap not because they
are skilled.
[email protected] (Sergei) wrote in message news:...
> I would legalize prostitution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> That is so much fun to pay legally for erotic pleasures. What is you
> problem? You don'y cheat on you wife? Do you masturbate? What, you do
> - than you are cheating on your wife so what does it matter if you pay
> for a whore or masturbate? You are still cheating on you wife,
> girlfriend, boyfriend.
> American corporate pimps recruiting IT prostitutes from foreign lands
> becase THERE IS NO AMERICAN WHO CAN HANDLE IT JOB PROPERLY. WE,
> AMERICAN WANT TO MANAGE AND MAKE DOUGH- NOT TO WORK. SO LET PEOPLE
> FROM OTHER COUNTRIES come here to do jobs rhat requir basic math and
> code writting.
> [email protected] (Amer20034) wrote in message news:...
> > [email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote:
> >
> > >I don't have the means to barge in on my own. so, you need to tell
> > >that to businesses who want to recruit manpower from India.
> >
> > i.e. the American corporate pimps recruiting IT prostitutes from foreign lands.
> > Would that legalize prostitution?
> > The prostitutes don't seem to mind.
> > Neither do the pimps.
to do our work.
Corporations hire foreigners because they are cheap not because they
are skilled.
[email protected] (Sergei) wrote in message news:...
> I would legalize prostitution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> That is so much fun to pay legally for erotic pleasures. What is you
> problem? You don'y cheat on you wife? Do you masturbate? What, you do
> - than you are cheating on your wife so what does it matter if you pay
> for a whore or masturbate? You are still cheating on you wife,
> girlfriend, boyfriend.
> American corporate pimps recruiting IT prostitutes from foreign lands
> becase THERE IS NO AMERICAN WHO CAN HANDLE IT JOB PROPERLY. WE,
> AMERICAN WANT TO MANAGE AND MAKE DOUGH- NOT TO WORK. SO LET PEOPLE
> FROM OTHER COUNTRIES come here to do jobs rhat requir basic math and
> code writting.
> [email protected] (Amer20034) wrote in message news:...
> > [email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote:
> >
> > >I don't have the means to barge in on my own. so, you need to tell
> > >that to businesses who want to recruit manpower from India.
> >
> > i.e. the American corporate pimps recruiting IT prostitutes from foreign lands.
> > Would that legalize prostitution?
> > The prostitutes don't seem to mind.
> > Neither do the pimps.
Sep 22nd 2002, 3:56 am
#34
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James Donovan wrote:
> It's so funny. YOu just proved my point why we don't need foreigners
> to do our work.
> Corporations hire foreigners because they are cheap not because they
> are skilled.
This is a silly argument. If I wanted cheaper labor I would ship all the
jobs outside the US in the first place. This is done all the time and
the practice has probably affected more US jobs that all H-1B applicants
put together. Why do IBM, Motorola, HP, etc all have labs in India? Some
even have labs in China now.
If you're so against "cheap, foreign labor" simply get the laws changed
> It's so funny. YOu just proved my point why we don't need foreigners
> to do our work.
> Corporations hire foreigners because they are cheap not because they
> are skilled.
This is a silly argument. If I wanted cheaper labor I would ship all the
jobs outside the US in the first place. This is done all the time and
the practice has probably affected more US jobs that all H-1B applicants
put together. Why do IBM, Motorola, HP, etc all have labs in India? Some
even have labs in China now.
If you're so against "cheap, foreign labor" simply get the laws changed
Sep 22nd 2002, 4:00 am
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Re: Laid off
James Donovan wrote:
> [email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote in message news:...
> > > America.
> > statistically, Americans don't put in the highest no. of hours per
> > week.
> A slave will always be made to work hard. That is why your H-1B
> buddies work lots of overtime with no pay. If they protest, the
> threat of deportation whip is cracked, and they shut up and go back to
> slaving again.
I work with plenty of native Americans who work lots of overtime with no
pay. That's the nature of some jobs. There is no "one size fits all"
argument. Few companies have to threaten deportation (do you actually
have a job in a company that employs anyone from outside the US?). They
simply have another round of layoffs and people disappear. Happens every
day.
> [email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote in message news:...
> > > America.
> > statistically, Americans don't put in the highest no. of hours per
> > week.
> A slave will always be made to work hard. That is why your H-1B
> buddies work lots of overtime with no pay. If they protest, the
> threat of deportation whip is cracked, and they shut up and go back to
> slaving again.
I work with plenty of native Americans who work lots of overtime with no
pay. That's the nature of some jobs. There is no "one size fits all"
argument. Few companies have to threaten deportation (do you actually
have a job in a company that employs anyone from outside the US?). They
simply have another round of layoffs and people disappear. Happens every
day.
Sep 22nd 2002, 12:16 pm
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L D Jones wrote in message news:...
> I work with plenty of native Americans who work lots of overtime with no
> pay. That's the nature of some jobs.
But the difference is that they have a choice in the matter. H-1B's
have no choice in the matter. If they complain, they can be laid off
or fired and will be sent back home. H-1B's will do anything to stay
in the U.S. and this means enduring a few years of slavery.
> There is no "one size fits all"
> argument. Few companies have to threaten deportation (do you actually
> have a job in a company that employs anyone from outside the US?).
Yes as a matter of fact I do. I am a manager of several consultants
and among them are a few H-1B's. Companies cannot outright tell their
H-1B's that "slave away or I will get you deported". But many of them
imply that if they don't work extra hard that they will find someone
else to do the job, and the rest is understood.
> I work with plenty of native Americans who work lots of overtime with no
> pay. That's the nature of some jobs.
But the difference is that they have a choice in the matter. H-1B's
have no choice in the matter. If they complain, they can be laid off
or fired and will be sent back home. H-1B's will do anything to stay
in the U.S. and this means enduring a few years of slavery.
> There is no "one size fits all"
> argument. Few companies have to threaten deportation (do you actually
> have a job in a company that employs anyone from outside the US?).
Yes as a matter of fact I do. I am a manager of several consultants
and among them are a few H-1B's. Companies cannot outright tell their
H-1B's that "slave away or I will get you deported". But many of them
imply that if they don't work extra hard that they will find someone
else to do the job, and the rest is understood.
Sep 23rd 2002, 7:03 pm
#37
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Re: Laid off
> A slave will always be made to work hard. That is why your H-1B
> buddies work lots of overtime with no pay. If they protest, the
> threat of deportation whip is cracked, and they shut up and go back to
> slaving again.
you sound like a racist to me. btw, did *slaves* pressurize US
congress for H1-B rules or was it an inside job?
> Then who is to blame? America did not become great by luck and
> chance. India did not become poor by luck and chance.
the fact that it is in the new world with lots of land & natural
resources.
> >
> > > We do not want or need you here.
> > I don't have the means to barge in on my own. so, you need to tell
> > that to businesses who want to recruit manpower from India.
> Because we can pay you $10 an hour instead of paying an American $50.
> We imported you because you are CHEAP, not because you are smart.
> It's the same reason computer parts and Nike's are made in China.
INS had a bar 6 yrs back of ~$37000 p.a + medical for approving H1-B
petitions and it was raised subsequently. so this is just another
piece of propaganda.
-kamal
> buddies work lots of overtime with no pay. If they protest, the
> threat of deportation whip is cracked, and they shut up and go back to
> slaving again.
you sound like a racist to me. btw, did *slaves* pressurize US
congress for H1-B rules or was it an inside job?
> Then who is to blame? America did not become great by luck and
> chance. India did not become poor by luck and chance.
the fact that it is in the new world with lots of land & natural
resources.
> >
> > > We do not want or need you here.
> > I don't have the means to barge in on my own. so, you need to tell
> > that to businesses who want to recruit manpower from India.
> Because we can pay you $10 an hour instead of paying an American $50.
> We imported you because you are CHEAP, not because you are smart.
> It's the same reason computer parts and Nike's are made in China.
INS had a bar 6 yrs back of ~$37000 p.a + medical for approving H1-B
petitions and it was raised subsequently. so this is just another
piece of propaganda.
-kamal
Sep 23rd 2002, 7:26 pm
#38
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> What do you call someone who has to pay taxes,
I paid taxes coz it was deducted at source just as americans do.
> can't vote,
I cant vote because Im not a citizen.
> is willing to stand in long lines outside a US Embassy in their country
didn't have to. there is a program called express visa approval where
the co. employing a person can send the application to the US
consulate for stamping by post and it will be returned within a week's
time. this is done usually for large cos. wishing to send their
employees to their US branches. but Im not sure if it has been
scrapped after Sept. 11.
> begging for a visa to come to the US,
that's between the employer and the INS.
> is afraid of his master (employer) because his master can have him
> deported back to his country very easily,
cost of living is v. high in U.S compared to India, so lots of
laid-off H1-B workers preferred to leave voluntarily to cut down on
expenses than under threat of deportation.
> a person whose freedom is determined by the status of his visa, etc.
you have nobody but lawmakers and their financiers to blame for this.
tell them to scrap the H1-B visa so that they won't exploit
foreigners.
> Sounds like a slave to me.
you sound like a racist to me. if this is what the anti-immigration
lobby is made of, then I couldn't care much about it.
> Then do whatever it takes to make your country a better place to live.
> I can't help foreigners with that.
did someone ask you for any help on this?
> ----
> Helping immigrants return to their HOMEland
H1-B workers are non-immigrants. immigrants are the ones with green
cards and citizenship. what you do with your own people is not of
concern to me.
-kamal
I paid taxes coz it was deducted at source just as americans do.
> can't vote,
I cant vote because Im not a citizen.
> is willing to stand in long lines outside a US Embassy in their country
didn't have to. there is a program called express visa approval where
the co. employing a person can send the application to the US
consulate for stamping by post and it will be returned within a week's
time. this is done usually for large cos. wishing to send their
employees to their US branches. but Im not sure if it has been
scrapped after Sept. 11.
> begging for a visa to come to the US,
that's between the employer and the INS.
> is afraid of his master (employer) because his master can have him
> deported back to his country very easily,
cost of living is v. high in U.S compared to India, so lots of
laid-off H1-B workers preferred to leave voluntarily to cut down on
expenses than under threat of deportation.
> a person whose freedom is determined by the status of his visa, etc.
you have nobody but lawmakers and their financiers to blame for this.
tell them to scrap the H1-B visa so that they won't exploit
foreigners.
> Sounds like a slave to me.
you sound like a racist to me. if this is what the anti-immigration
lobby is made of, then I couldn't care much about it.
> Then do whatever it takes to make your country a better place to live.
> I can't help foreigners with that.
did someone ask you for any help on this?
> ----
> Helping immigrants return to their HOMEland
H1-B workers are non-immigrants. immigrants are the ones with green
cards and citizenship. what you do with your own people is not of
concern to me.
-kamal
