any help getting from uk to usa appreciated
Sep 17th 2002, 4:45 pm
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"Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi everyone.
> I was recently laid off, H-1B, family, rent, no insurance etc
> I was wondering if there are more people like myself and what are their
> plnas. What are possible things to do to stay in US?
> Any ideas would be appreciated...
Go home. Any stay now in the USA is illegal. Life as an illegal
immigrant is worse than life as a stray dog in many cases. It is not
anything personal against you, it's just that it would make your life
alot easier. It would also help your future chances in the USA if
your INS record is clean.
news:<bYsh9.494451$UU1.82096@sccrnsc03>...
> Hi everyone.
> I was recently laid off, H-1B, family, rent, no insurance etc
> I was wondering if there are more people like myself and what are their
> plnas. What are possible things to do to stay in US?
> Any ideas would be appreciated...
Go home. Any stay now in the USA is illegal. Life as an illegal
immigrant is worse than life as a stray dog in many cases. It is not
anything personal against you, it's just that it would make your life
alot easier. It would also help your future chances in the USA if
your INS record is clean.
Sep 17th 2002, 4:49 pm
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Joachim Feise <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Kamal R. Prasad wrote:
> >>Your employer has to pay your return ticket.
> >>If you want to stay a bit longer, you have to change your status, e.g.,
> >>to B2.
> >
> > if the employer terminates the H1-B (rarely done) then employer is
> > required to provide return ticket. otherwise, it leaves the laid off
> > employee with the option to transfer or to leave on his own.
> > if the co. that laid-off went bankrupt, then no return ticket will be
> > provided ie they won't have the money to buy u a ticket.
> If the employee is laid off before the expiration date of the H1, the
> employer *has* to pay the return ticket. This is the law. No buts or ifs.
What will happen if the company has no money and/or ceases to exist?
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> Kamal R. Prasad wrote:
> >>Your employer has to pay your return ticket.
> >>If you want to stay a bit longer, you have to change your status, e.g.,
> >>to B2.
> >
> > if the employer terminates the H1-B (rarely done) then employer is
> > required to provide return ticket. otherwise, it leaves the laid off
> > employee with the option to transfer or to leave on his own.
> > if the co. that laid-off went bankrupt, then no return ticket will be
> > provided ie they won't have the money to buy u a ticket.
> If the employee is laid off before the expiration date of the H1, the
> employer *has* to pay the return ticket. This is the law. No buts or ifs.
What will happen if the company has no money and/or ceases to exist?
Sep 17th 2002, 5:07 pm
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Kamal R. Prasad wrote:
>>If the employee is laid off before the expiration date of the H1, the
>>employer *has* to pay the return ticket. This is the law. No buts or ifs.
> I can assure you that has not happened/does not happen to many individuals.
> check out the facts, not the requirement.
If some company didn't do that, they violated the law, and could get sued.
Law is law. Period.
>>If the employee is laid off before the expiration date of the H1, the
>>employer *has* to pay the return ticket. This is the law. No buts or ifs.
> I can assure you that has not happened/does not happen to many individuals.
> check out the facts, not the requirement.
If some company didn't do that, they violated the law, and could get sued.
Law is law. Period.
Sep 18th 2002, 1:50 am
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"Kamal R. Prasad" wrote:
> > Recently, their policy has changed. If
> > you spend more than just a few days "out of status" before acquiring new
> > H1B employment, they will approve the employment, but not approve your
> > change of status, meaning that you have to depart the US, get a new visa
> > and return. This started happening in the last 6 months. All part of
> > the crackdown on individuals out of status since Sept. 11.
> define the term "Recently" in terms of the dates plz.
> INS uses discretion in granting I-94 when approving transfer of H1-B
> visa.
> if they approve the H1-B petition without issuing an I-94, then the
> applicant must leave the country to get an I-94.
> >
> > Changes to B2 status must similarly be filed promptly on the day of
> > layoff or the day after or else the change will not be approved, for the
> > same reasoning ... no out of status people in the US.
> Im not sure about what it takes to change status to B-1/B-2. but the
> H1-B visa is a highly portable visa vis-a-vis other visas.
> >
> > Although there's been no changes to the law since Sep 11, there
> > certainly has been a general tightening of policies which previously
> > allowed some discretionary "wiggle room".
> there is/was plenty of wiggle room even after sept. 11.
> you are describing [proposed?]rules and not the implementation.
> -kamal
These are not "proposed" ... they are happening NOW!
> > Recently, their policy has changed. If
> > you spend more than just a few days "out of status" before acquiring new
> > H1B employment, they will approve the employment, but not approve your
> > change of status, meaning that you have to depart the US, get a new visa
> > and return. This started happening in the last 6 months. All part of
> > the crackdown on individuals out of status since Sept. 11.
> define the term "Recently" in terms of the dates plz.
> INS uses discretion in granting I-94 when approving transfer of H1-B
> visa.
> if they approve the H1-B petition without issuing an I-94, then the
> applicant must leave the country to get an I-94.
> >
> > Changes to B2 status must similarly be filed promptly on the day of
> > layoff or the day after or else the change will not be approved, for the
> > same reasoning ... no out of status people in the US.
> Im not sure about what it takes to change status to B-1/B-2. but the
> H1-B visa is a highly portable visa vis-a-vis other visas.
> >
> > Although there's been no changes to the law since Sep 11, there
> > certainly has been a general tightening of policies which previously
> > allowed some discretionary "wiggle room".
> there is/was plenty of wiggle room even after sept. 11.
> you are describing [proposed?]rules and not the implementation.
> -kamal
These are not "proposed" ... they are happening NOW!
Sep 18th 2002, 4:47 am
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>What will happen if the company has no money and/or ceases to exist?
You mean like the employers of large groups of Asian H-1 IT programmers,
who sometimes "cease to exist" to avoid paying federal taxes?
They usuall run away with the loot to their HOMEland.
You mean like the employers of large groups of Asian H-1 IT programmers,
who sometimes "cease to exist" to avoid paying federal taxes?
They usuall run away with the loot to their HOMEland.
Sep 18th 2002, 4:58 am
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[email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote:
>it looks like these guys expect H1-B employees to hang around by the
>airport lounge with a rucksack full of refugee survival equipment.
From what I hear, that may still be better than returning to their HOMEland
for some of these H-1B slaves.
Until these H-1B slaves develop some self-respect for themselves and
their HOMEland, and return to their HOMEland to make it a better place to live
in for themselves and others like themselves,
these events will continue.
Sounding pathetic will not gain the laid-off foreigner any more sympathy these
days, since real Americans are losing their jobs too.
Things will be really bad when real Americans hang around by the
airport lounge with a rucksack full of refugee survival equipment.
At least real Americans don't wait in long lines outside a foreign embassy
in the US begging for a visa to go overseas.
And the reason we don't have to do that is because we work hard to make
OUR HOMEland a better place to live.
Working hard to make YOUR HOMEland a better place to live
is a very foreign concept to many foreigners here.
They would rather jump on the best looking boat, and whine when they fall of
the boat wishing someone will feel sorry for them.
Have you ever noticed how some cultures have a greater propensity towards
looking more pathetic than they actually are to gain American sympathy?
----
Helping immigrants return to their HOMEland
>it looks like these guys expect H1-B employees to hang around by the
>airport lounge with a rucksack full of refugee survival equipment.
From what I hear, that may still be better than returning to their HOMEland
for some of these H-1B slaves.
Until these H-1B slaves develop some self-respect for themselves and
their HOMEland, and return to their HOMEland to make it a better place to live
in for themselves and others like themselves,
these events will continue.
Sounding pathetic will not gain the laid-off foreigner any more sympathy these
days, since real Americans are losing their jobs too.
Things will be really bad when real Americans hang around by the
airport lounge with a rucksack full of refugee survival equipment.
At least real Americans don't wait in long lines outside a foreign embassy
in the US begging for a visa to go overseas.
And the reason we don't have to do that is because we work hard to make
OUR HOMEland a better place to live.
Working hard to make YOUR HOMEland a better place to live
is a very foreign concept to many foreigners here.
They would rather jump on the best looking boat, and whine when they fall of
the boat wishing someone will feel sorry for them.
Have you ever noticed how some cultures have a greater propensity towards
looking more pathetic than they actually are to gain American sympathy?
----
Helping immigrants return to their HOMEland
Sep 18th 2002, 7:35 am
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I have come to question myself that too sometimes since I first
migrate here back in 1981.
But how do you change something that you have no control over. Say
like the weather.
I come from Malaysia. Its a one hot ass country all year round and
heat just kill me. Whenever I go back, I have to take Immodium AD.
I practially got dirrehea all day. It stops when I get back here and
eat american food. No joke.
On 18 Sep 2002 16:58:48 GMT, [email protected] (Amer20034) wrote:
>[email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote:
>>it looks like these guys expect H1-B employees to hang around by the
>>airport lounge with a rucksack full of refugee survival equipment.
>From what I hear, that may still be better than returning to their HOMEland
>for some of these H-1B slaves.
>Until these H-1B slaves develop some self-respect for themselves and
>their HOMEland, and return to their HOMEland to make it a better place to live
>in for themselves and others like themselves,
>these events will continue.
>Sounding pathetic will not gain the laid-off foreigner any more sympathy these
>days, since real Americans are losing their jobs too.
>Things will be really bad when real Americans hang around by the
>airport lounge with a rucksack full of refugee survival equipment.
>At least real Americans don't wait in long lines outside a foreign embassy
>in the US begging for a visa to go overseas.
>And the reason we don't have to do that is because we work hard to make
>OUR HOMEland a better place to live.
>Working hard to make YOUR HOMEland a better place to live
>is a very foreign concept to many foreigners here.
>They would rather jump on the best looking boat, and whine when they fall of
>the boat wishing someone will feel sorry for them.
>Have you ever noticed how some cultures have a greater propensity towards
>looking more pathetic than they actually are to gain American sympathy?
>----
>Helping immigrants return to their HOMEland
migrate here back in 1981.
But how do you change something that you have no control over. Say
like the weather.
I come from Malaysia. Its a one hot ass country all year round and
heat just kill me. Whenever I go back, I have to take Immodium AD.
I practially got dirrehea all day. It stops when I get back here and
eat american food. No joke.
On 18 Sep 2002 16:58:48 GMT, [email protected] (Amer20034) wrote:
>[email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote:
>>it looks like these guys expect H1-B employees to hang around by the
>>airport lounge with a rucksack full of refugee survival equipment.
>From what I hear, that may still be better than returning to their HOMEland
>for some of these H-1B slaves.
>Until these H-1B slaves develop some self-respect for themselves and
>their HOMEland, and return to their HOMEland to make it a better place to live
>in for themselves and others like themselves,
>these events will continue.
>Sounding pathetic will not gain the laid-off foreigner any more sympathy these
>days, since real Americans are losing their jobs too.
>Things will be really bad when real Americans hang around by the
>airport lounge with a rucksack full of refugee survival equipment.
>At least real Americans don't wait in long lines outside a foreign embassy
>in the US begging for a visa to go overseas.
>And the reason we don't have to do that is because we work hard to make
>OUR HOMEland a better place to live.
>Working hard to make YOUR HOMEland a better place to live
>is a very foreign concept to many foreigners here.
>They would rather jump on the best looking boat, and whine when they fall of
>the boat wishing someone will feel sorry for them.
>Have you ever noticed how some cultures have a greater propensity towards
>looking more pathetic than they actually are to gain American sympathy?
>----
>Helping immigrants return to their HOMEland
Sep 18th 2002, 4:21 pm
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[email protected] (Amer20034) wrote in message news:...
> [email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote:
> >it looks like these guys expect H1-B employees to hang around by the
> >airport lounge with a rucksack full of refugee survival equipment.
> From what I hear, that may still be better than returning to their HOMEland
> for some of these H-1B slaves.
slaves according to you and your wishful thinking.
> Until these H-1B slaves develop some self-respect for themselves and
> their HOMEland, and return to their HOMEland to make it a better place to live
> in for themselves and others like themselves,
> these events will continue.
I am in my homeland and think it is already a better place to live
than another foreign country.
> Sounding pathetic will not gain the laid-off foreigner any more sympathy these
> days, since real Americans are losing their jobs too.
not sounding pathetic.
> Things will be really bad when real Americans hang around by the
> airport lounge with a rucksack full of refugee survival equipment.
why the airport?
> At least real Americans don't wait in long lines outside a foreign embassy
> in the US begging for a visa to go overseas.
I didn't and I won't.
> And the reason we don't have to do that is because we work hard to make
> OUR HOMEland a better place to live.
you look like you have come out of a comic book.
Americans ate not the hardest-working by any standards.
> Working hard to make YOUR HOMEland a better place to live
> is a very foreign concept to many foreigners here.
working hard may not have anything to do with making your country a
better place to live.
> They would rather jump on the best looking boat, and whine when they fall of
> the boat wishing someone will feel sorry for them.
never did that.
> Have you ever noticed how some cultures have a greater propensity towards
> looking more pathetic than they actually are to gain American sympathy?
I gather you know very little of what the term 'culture' means.
> ----
> Helping immigrants return to their HOMEland
> [email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote:
> >it looks like these guys expect H1-B employees to hang around by the
> >airport lounge with a rucksack full of refugee survival equipment.
> From what I hear, that may still be better than returning to their HOMEland
> for some of these H-1B slaves.
slaves according to you and your wishful thinking.
> Until these H-1B slaves develop some self-respect for themselves and
> their HOMEland, and return to their HOMEland to make it a better place to live
> in for themselves and others like themselves,
> these events will continue.
I am in my homeland and think it is already a better place to live
than another foreign country.
> Sounding pathetic will not gain the laid-off foreigner any more sympathy these
> days, since real Americans are losing their jobs too.
not sounding pathetic.
> Things will be really bad when real Americans hang around by the
> airport lounge with a rucksack full of refugee survival equipment.
why the airport?
> At least real Americans don't wait in long lines outside a foreign embassy
> in the US begging for a visa to go overseas.
I didn't and I won't.
> And the reason we don't have to do that is because we work hard to make
> OUR HOMEland a better place to live.
you look like you have come out of a comic book.
Americans ate not the hardest-working by any standards.
> Working hard to make YOUR HOMEland a better place to live
> is a very foreign concept to many foreigners here.
working hard may not have anything to do with making your country a
better place to live.
> They would rather jump on the best looking boat, and whine when they fall of
> the boat wishing someone will feel sorry for them.
never did that.
> Have you ever noticed how some cultures have a greater propensity towards
> looking more pathetic than they actually are to gain American sympathy?
I gather you know very little of what the term 'culture' means.
> ----
> Helping immigrants return to their HOMEland
Sep 19th 2002, 12:36 am
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[email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote in message news:...
> you look like you have come out of a comic book.
> Americans ate not the hardest-working by any standards.
If you hate Americans, or think they are lazy, please do not come to
America. We do not want or need you here. We do not appreciate
foreigners coming into our country and telling us that they deserve
jobs more than us (who were born here) because they somehow think we
are lazy.
A lazy culture did not put man on the moon. Go back to India and help
them put a man on the moon before you come back to America and call us
lazy.
> you look like you have come out of a comic book.
> Americans ate not the hardest-working by any standards.
If you hate Americans, or think they are lazy, please do not come to
America. We do not want or need you here. We do not appreciate
foreigners coming into our country and telling us that they deserve
jobs more than us (who were born here) because they somehow think we
are lazy.
A lazy culture did not put man on the moon. Go back to India and help
them put a man on the moon before you come back to America and call us
lazy.
Sep 19th 2002, 1:38 am
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Yah, you are right.
The reason american is so powerful is because all the smart students
come here and mess up the curve at the college.
Yah I know :-) I been there.
On 19 Sep 2002 05:36:13 -0700, [email protected] (James Donovan)
wrote:
>[email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote in message news:...
>> you look like you have come out of a comic book.
>> Americans ate not the hardest-working by any standards.
>If you hate Americans, or think they are lazy, please do not come to
>America. We do not want or need you here. We do not appreciate
>foreigners coming into our country and telling us that they deserve
>jobs more than us (who were born here) because they somehow think we
>are lazy.
>A lazy culture did not put man on the moon. Go back to India and help
>them put a man on the moon before you come back to America and call us
>lazy.
The reason american is so powerful is because all the smart students
come here and mess up the curve at the college.
Yah I know :-) I been there.
On 19 Sep 2002 05:36:13 -0700, [email protected] (James Donovan)
wrote:
>[email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote in message news:...
>> you look like you have come out of a comic book.
>> Americans ate not the hardest-working by any standards.
>If you hate Americans, or think they are lazy, please do not come to
>America. We do not want or need you here. We do not appreciate
>foreigners coming into our country and telling us that they deserve
>jobs more than us (who were born here) because they somehow think we
>are lazy.
>A lazy culture did not put man on the moon. Go back to India and help
>them put a man on the moon before you come back to America and call us
>lazy.
Sep 19th 2002, 6:38 am
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"chong" wrote in message
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> I have come to question myself that too sometimes since I first migrate here
back in 1981. But how
> do you change something that you have no control over. Say like the weather.
> I come from Malaysia. Its a one hot ass country all year round and heat just
kill me. Whenever I go
> back, I have to take Immodium AD. I practially got dirrehea all day. It stops
when I get back here and
> eat american food. No joke.
I'm a bit confused. Does this make Malaysia a sh*t country, or a sh*thot
country?
news:64lhoukg0gfjktu9pv765s69-
[email protected]...
> I have come to question myself that too sometimes since I first migrate here
back in 1981. But how
> do you change something that you have no control over. Say like the weather.
> I come from Malaysia. Its a one hot ass country all year round and heat just
kill me. Whenever I go
> back, I have to take Immodium AD. I practially got dirrehea all day. It stops
when I get back here and
> eat american food. No joke.
I'm a bit confused. Does this make Malaysia a sh*t country, or a sh*thot
country?
Sep 19th 2002, 8:37 pm
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jkdonovanjr> If you hate Americans, or think they are lazy, please do
not come to
> America.
statistically, Americans don't put in the highest no. of hours per
week.
that does not mean that they(americans) deserve to be disliked.
I was just saying that (the assumption) a country is advanced because
its citizens are hard-working and poor because its citizens are lazy
-is an incorrect one.
to say that people from poor/under-developed countries are to blame
for the circumstances around them is incorrect.
> We do not want or need you here.
I don't have the means to barge in on my own. so, you need to tell
that to businesses who want to recruit manpower from India.
> We do not appreciate
> foreigners coming into our country and telling us that they deserve
> jobs more than us (who were born here) because they somehow think we
> are lazy.
if it was true that people are hard-working or lazy depending on their
nationality, your statement would have made some sense (to a racist).
> A lazy culture did not put man on the moon.
looks like there are many TV shows(within US) that dispute that
America ever managed to put a man on the moon. there has not been a
single lunar landing (by humans) by any country (including U.S) after
1969.
> Go back to India and help them put a man on the moon
Im not a space sceintist-so can't help my country do that.
given that this is an immigration mailing list, I do not want to
digress into achievements by India/Indians in space. but if you really
need it,see:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk-
/2/hi/world/south_asia/1679321.stm
> before you come back to America and call us
> lazy.
if you haven't understood as yet-I did not say that Americans are
lazy.
just that statistically they don't put in the highest no. of hrs per
week.
regards
-kamal
not come to
> America.
statistically, Americans don't put in the highest no. of hours per
week.
that does not mean that they(americans) deserve to be disliked.
I was just saying that (the assumption) a country is advanced because
its citizens are hard-working and poor because its citizens are lazy
-is an incorrect one.
to say that people from poor/under-developed countries are to blame
for the circumstances around them is incorrect.
> We do not want or need you here.
I don't have the means to barge in on my own. so, you need to tell
that to businesses who want to recruit manpower from India.
> We do not appreciate
> foreigners coming into our country and telling us that they deserve
> jobs more than us (who were born here) because they somehow think we
> are lazy.
if it was true that people are hard-working or lazy depending on their
nationality, your statement would have made some sense (to a racist).
> A lazy culture did not put man on the moon.
looks like there are many TV shows(within US) that dispute that
America ever managed to put a man on the moon. there has not been a
single lunar landing (by humans) by any country (including U.S) after
1969.
> Go back to India and help them put a man on the moon
Im not a space sceintist-so can't help my country do that.
given that this is an immigration mailing list, I do not want to
digress into achievements by India/Indians in space. but if you really
need it,see:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk-
/2/hi/world/south_asia/1679321.stm
> before you come back to America and call us
> lazy.
if you haven't understood as yet-I did not say that Americans are
lazy.
just that statistically they don't put in the highest no. of hrs per
week.
regards
-kamal
Sep 21st 2002, 8:08 am
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Political Asylum is often abused to gain entry in the USA.
Now, medical excuses are going to be used to gain entry into the USA?
Now, medical excuses are going to be used to gain entry into the USA?
Sep 21st 2002, 8:15 am
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[email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote:
>slaves according to you and your wishful thinking.
What do you call someone who has to pay taxes, can't vote,
is willing to stand in long lines outside a US Embassy in their country
begging for a visa to come to the US,
is afraid of his master (employer) because his master can have him
deported back to his country very easily,
a person whose freedom is determined by the status of his visa, etc.
Sounds like a slave to me.
>I am in my homeland and think it is already a better place to live
>than another foreign country.
If only all foreigners will think like you did !
>working hard may not have anything to do with making your country a
>better place to live.
Then do whatever it takes to make your country a better place to live.
I can't help foreigners with that.
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>slaves according to you and your wishful thinking.
What do you call someone who has to pay taxes, can't vote,
is willing to stand in long lines outside a US Embassy in their country
begging for a visa to come to the US,
is afraid of his master (employer) because his master can have him
deported back to his country very easily,
a person whose freedom is determined by the status of his visa, etc.
Sounds like a slave to me.
>I am in my homeland and think it is already a better place to live
>than another foreign country.
If only all foreigners will think like you did !
>working hard may not have anything to do with making your country a
>better place to live.
Then do whatever it takes to make your country a better place to live.
I can't help foreigners with that.
----
Helping immigrants return to their HOMEland
Sep 21st 2002, 8:20 am
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[email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote:
>I don't have the means to barge in on my own. so, you need to tell
>that to businesses who want to recruit manpower from India.
i.e. the American corporate pimps recruiting IT prostitutes from foreign lands.
Would that legalize prostitution?
The prostitutes don't seem to mind.
Neither do the pimps.
>I don't have the means to barge in on my own. so, you need to tell
>that to businesses who want to recruit manpower from India.
i.e. the American corporate pimps recruiting IT prostitutes from foreign lands.
Would that legalize prostitution?
The prostitutes don't seem to mind.
Neither do the pimps.
