Walter Kirspel

My fiancee and I plan to marry in Brazil and then apply for a visa for her in Rio via
Direct Consular Filing.

I am struggling through translating the morass of requirements for a Brazilian to
marry a foreigner. Selma, my fiancee, passed on a document called Homologação de
Sentença Estrangeira. It has been a bear to translate. She also refers to a
requirement that implies that I need to get all my US documents (birth certificate,
divorce certificate, etc.) certified here in the US at the embassy or a consulate
before I bring them to Brazil for translation.

Has anyone been through this before that could shed some light on the
process? Thanks.

Alvena Ferreira

Walter Kirspel wrote:
    >
    > My fiancee and I plan to marry in Brazil and then apply for a visa for her in Rio
    > via Direct Consular Filing. I am struggling through translating the morass of
    > requirements for a Brazilian to marry a foreigner. Selma, my fiancee, passed on a
    > document called Homologação de Sentença Estrangeira. It has been a bear to
    > translate. She also refers to a requirement that implies that I need to get all my
    > US documents (birth certificate, divorce certificate, etc.) certified here in the
    > US at the embassy or a consulate before I bring them to Brazil for translation. Has
    > anyone been through this before that could shed some light on the process? Thanks.

Go to doc steen site->link "DCF: Which Visa"-> experiences-> brazil. There is info
there you may find helpful. Alvena

Doc Steen Site: http://www.mindspring.com/~docsteen/...o/visainfo.htm
=========================================
I am not a lawyer and this is not immigration advice. This is my personal opinion,
gleaned from the previous postings of others, and posted for the purpose of
discussion only. If your case is complicated, then you may need an immigration
attorney. Locate an immigration attorney in your area at: http://www.aila.org
=========================================

Walt

Alvena:

Thanks. Great link! However my problem on making the decision (DCF or fiancee) lies
more in understanding the process for getting married in Brazil. There is a wealth of
information here and in sites like Doc Steen on the different visa options.

But as difficult as these processes may be, it's beginning to appear that the process
for a US resident getting married in Brazil is incredibly more complex. Particularly
because I am divorced. So I am trying to confirm information related to that side.

Thanks again! "Alvena Ferreira" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Walter Kirspel wrote:
    > >
    > > My fiancee and I plan to marry in Brazil and then apply for a visa for
her
    > > in Rio via Direct Consular Filing. I am struggling through translating the morass
    > > of requirements for a Brazilian to marry a foreigner. Selma, my fiancee, passed
    > > on a document called Homologação de Sentença Estrangeira. It has been a bear to
translate.
    > > She also refers to a requirement that implies that I need to get all my
US
    > > documents (birth certificate, divorce certificate, etc.) certified here
in
    > > the US at the embassy or a consulate before I bring them to Brazil for
    > > translation. Has anyone been through this before that could shed some light on
    > > the process? Thanks.
    >
    > Go to doc steen site->link "DCF: Which Visa"-> experiences-> brazil. There is info
    > there you may find helpful. Alvena

    > Doc Steen Site: http://www.mindspring.com/~docsteen/...o/visainfo.htm
    > =========================================
    > I am not a lawyer and this is not immigration advice. This is my personal opinion,
    > gleaned from the previous postings of others, and posted for the purpose of
    > discussion only. If your case is complicated, then you may need an immigration
    > attorney. Locate an immigration attorney in your area at: http://www.aila.org
    > =========================================

Soraya

Hi Walt,

I'm brazilian married to an american. We thought about getting married in Brazil
first and then coming to US. At the time the only thing that we needed was that
documents certifying that he was an american citizen, not married to anybody else,
birth certificate or passport. There are places in Brazil that US don't have called
CARTORIOS. Your fiancee can go to one of this offices and request information about
marrying a foreign person. They will give her a list of documents (such as the ones
above mentioned) and you will need to notarize that at the Brazilian Embassy or
Consulate before sending to Brazil. It is not complicated like it seems.

The Brazilian Embassy has all the information necessary. You should go to their
website and look for more information, or maybe even call them requesting more
information. There are Consulates in Boston, New York, Washigton, Miami, San
Francisco, Houston and Los Angeles. Go to www.consulatebrazil.org/jurisd.htm, it will
be really helpfull.

Wish you all the luck! Soraya & Jeremy (Brazil-US)

"Walt" <[email protected]@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Alvena:
    >
    > Thanks. Great link! However my problem on making the decision (DCF or fiancee) lies
    > more in understanding the process for getting married in Brazil. There is a wealth
    > of information here and in sites like Doc Steen
on
    > the different visa options.
    >
    > But as difficult as these processes may be, it's beginning to appear that the
    > process for a US resident getting married in Brazil is incredibly more complex.
    > Particularly because I am divorced. So I am trying to confirm information related
    > to that side.
    >
    > Thanks again! "Alvena Ferreira" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Walter Kirspel wrote:
    > > >
    > > > My fiancee and I plan to marry in Brazil and then apply for a visa for
    > her
    > > > in Rio via Direct Consular Filing. I am struggling through translating the
    > > > morass of requirements for a Brazilian to marry a foreigner. Selma, my fiancee,
    > > > passed on a
document
    > > > called Homologação de Sentença Estrangeira. It has been a bear to
    > translate.
    > > > She also refers to a requirement that implies that I need to get all
my
    > US
    > > > documents (birth certificate, divorce certificate, etc.) certified
here
    > in
    > > > the US at the embassy or a consulate before I bring them to Brazil for
    > > > translation. Has anyone been through this before that could shed some light on
    > > > the process? Thanks.
    > >
    > > Go to doc steen site->link "DCF: Which Visa"-> experiences-> brazil. There is
    > > info there you may find helpful. Alvena

    > > Doc Steen Site: http://www.mindspring.com/~docsteen/...o/visainfo.htm
    > > =========================================
    > > I am not a lawyer and this is not immigration advice. This is my personal
    > > opinion, gleaned from the previous postings of others, and posted for the purpose
    > > of discussion only. If your case is complicated, then you may need an immigration
    > > attorney. Locate an immigration attorney in your area at: http://www.aila.org
    > > =========================================
    > >

Walt

Soraya:

Thanks for the information. You may not be familiar with this part of it, but it
seems the complication is that I was married before.

I am hearing two things - that after I notarize the divorce documents at the
consulate I need to take them to Brasilia. That in Brasilia the government will send
a letter to my ex-wife that she must fill out and return. 30 days after that return,
then we can get married.

Do you know anything about this.

Also thanks for the info on the embassy web site. I had trouble finding the
information on that web site, but sent an EMAIL and hope to have a
explanation Monday.

Thanks

Walt "Soraya" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Hi Walt,
    >
    > I'm brazilian married to an american. We thought about getting married in Brazil
    > first and then coming to US. At the time the only thing that we needed was that
    > documents certifying that he was an american citizen, not married to anybody else,
    > birth certificate or passport. There are places in Brazil that US don't have called
    > CARTORIOS. Your
fiancee
    > can go to one of this offices and request information about marrying a foreign
person.
    > They will give her a list of documents (such as the ones above mentioned) and
    > you will
need
    > to notarize that at the Brazilian Embassy or Consulate before sending to Brazil. It
    > is not complicated like it seems.
    >
    > The Brazilian Embassy has all the information necessary. You should go to their
    > website and look for more information, or maybe even call them requesting more
    > information. There are Consulates in Boston, New York, Washigton, Miami, San
    > Francisco, Houston and Los Angeles. Go to www.consulatebrazil.org/jurisd.htm,
    > it will be
really
    > helpfull.
    >
    > Wish you all the luck! Soraya & Jeremy (Brazil-US)
    >
    > "Walt" <[email protected]@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Alvena:
    > >
    > > Thanks. Great link! However my problem on making the decision (DCF or fiancee)
    > > lies more in understanding the process for getting married in Brazil. There is a
    > > wealth of information here and in sites like Doc
Steen
    > on
    > > the different visa options.
    > >
    > > But as difficult as these processes may be, it's beginning to appear
that
    > > the process for a US resident getting married in Brazil is incredibly
more
    > > complex. Particularly because I am divorced. So I am trying to confirm
    > > information related to that side.
    > >
    > > Thanks again! "Alvena Ferreira" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Walter Kirspel wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > My fiancee and I plan to marry in Brazil and then apply for a visa
for
    > > her
    > > > > in Rio via Direct Consular Filing. I am struggling through translating the
    > > > > morass of requirements for a Brazilian to marry a foreigner. Selma, my
    > > > > fiancee, passed on a
    > document
    > > > > called Homologação de Sentença Estrangeira. It has been a bear to
    > > translate.
    > > > > She also refers to a requirement that implies that I need to get all
    > my
    > > US
    > > > > documents (birth certificate, divorce certificate, etc.) certified
    > here
    > > in
    > > > > the US at the embassy or a consulate before I bring them to Brazil
for
    > > > > translation. Has anyone been through this before that could shed some light
    > > > > on
the
    > > > > process? Thanks.
    > > >
    > > > Go to doc steen site->link "DCF: Which Visa"-> experiences-> brazil. There is
    > > > info there you may find helpful. Alvena

    > > > Doc Steen Site: http://www.mindspring.com/~docsteen/...o/visainfo.htm
    > > > =========================================
    > > > I am not a lawyer and this is not immigration advice. This is my personal
    > > > opinion, gleaned from the previous postings of others, and posted for the
    > > > purpose of discussion only. If your case is complicated, then you may need an
    > > > immigration attorney. Locate an immigration attorney in your area at:
    > > > http://www.aila.org
    > > > =========================================
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >

Soraya

Hey Walt, I'm sorry for not having the right information. Unfortunately I don't know
anything about your situation or how to help you with that. I wish you all the luck.
If I hear anything different I'll keep you posted. Soraya

"Walt" <[email protected]@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Soraya:
    >
    > Thanks for the information. You may not be familiar with this part of it, but it
    > seems the complication is that I was married before.
    >
    > I am hearing two things - that after I notarize the divorce documents at
the
    > consulate I need to take them to Brasilia. That in Brasilia the government will
    > send a letter to my ex-wife that she must fill out and return. 30
days
    > after that return, then we can get married.
    >
    > Do you know anything about this.
    >
    > Also thanks for the info on the embassy web site. I had trouble finding
the
    > information on that web site, but sent an EMAIL and hope to have a
    > explanation Monday.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Walt "Soraya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Hi Walt,
    > >
    > > I'm brazilian married to an american. We thought about getting married in Brazil
    > > first and then coming to US.
At
    > > the time the only thing that we needed was that documents certifying that he was
an
    > > american citizen, not married to anybody else, birth certificate or passport.
    > > There are places in Brazil that US don't have called CARTORIOS. Your
    > fiancee
    > > can go to one of this offices and request information about marrying a foreign
    > person.
    > > They will give her a list of documents (such as the ones above mentioned) and
    > > you will
    > need
    > > to notarize that at the Brazilian Embassy or Consulate before sending to Brazil.
    > > It is not complicated like it seems.
    > >
    > > The Brazilian Embassy has all the information necessary. You should go
to
    > > their website and look for more information, or maybe even call them requesting
    > > more information. There are Consulates in Boston, New York, Washigton, Miami, San
Francisco,
    > > Houston and Los Angeles. Go to www.consulatebrazil.org/jurisd.htm, it will be
    > really
    > > helpfull.
    > >
    > > Wish you all the luck! Soraya & Jeremy (Brazil-US)
    > >
    > > "Walt" <[email protected]@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Alvena:
    > > >
    > > > Thanks. Great link! However my problem on making the decision (DCF or fiancee)
    > > > lies more in understanding the process for getting married in Brazil. There is
    > > > a wealth of information here and in sites like Doc
    > Steen
    > > on
    > > > the different visa options.
    > > >
    > > > But as difficult as these processes may be, it's beginning to appear
    > that
    > > > the process for a US resident getting married in Brazil is incredibly
    > more
    > > > complex. Particularly because I am divorced. So I am trying to confirm
    > > > information related to that side.
    > > >
    > > > Thanks again! "Alvena Ferreira" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > Walter Kirspel wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > My fiancee and I plan to marry in Brazil and then apply for a visa
    > for
    > > > her
    > > > > > in Rio via Direct Consular Filing. I am struggling through translating the
    > > > > > morass of requirements for
a
    > > > > > Brazilian to marry a foreigner. Selma, my fiancee, passed on a
    > > document
    > > > > > called Homologação de Sentença Estrangeira. It has been a bear to
    > > > translate.
    > > > > > She also refers to a requirement that implies that I need to get
all
    > > my
    > > > US
    > > > > > documents (birth certificate, divorce certificate, etc.) certified
    > > here
    > > > in
    > > > > > the US at the embassy or a consulate before I bring them to Brazil
    > for
    > > > > > translation. Has anyone been through this before that could shed some light
    > > > > > on
    > the
    > > > > > process? Thanks.
    > > > >
    > > > > Go to doc steen site->link "DCF: Which Visa"-> experiences-> brazil. There is
    > > > > info there you may find helpful. Alvena

    > > > > Doc Steen Site: http://www.mindspring.com/~docsteen/...o/visainfo.htm
    > > > > =========================================
    > > > > I am not a lawyer and this is not immigration advice. This is my personal
    > > > > opinion, gleaned from the previous postings of others, and posted for the
    > > > > purpose of discussion only. If your case is complicated, then you may need an
    > > > > immigration attorney. Locate an immigration attorney in your area at:
    > > > > http://www.aila.org
    > > > > =========================================
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >