Originally Posted by douglasgrant

Because these cities were never medieval cities which grew over time. Toronto was just a port and fort for a very long time until recently.

Anyways, back to OPs quesitons:

A lot of Toronto has been built up and changed over the last 10 years due to cheap money and the housing boom. Places that used to be drug hangouts and crazy towns (places where I used to have to walk and step over blood, vomiting aboriginals and homeless people with needles in their arms have been re-faced with trendy coffee shops and trendy artsy lofts). Buyer and mover beware: this was how it was for a very long time. It only changed recently in the last 10 or so years. So if I were a fortune teller and I said, there is a chance it could go back to the way it was within the next 10 or so years, I could have a good case.

Anyways, for TO, places to stay away from these days:
- South side of Etobicoke to Mississauga along Lakeshore before you hit the credit river.
- some south old parts of Mississauga.
- some parts of Scarborough. google.
- Far west end of Parkdale in downtown
- Some parts of Crazy Ossington & Queen to King[1]

Originally Posted by Kiwilass

.. lots of lovely old colonial ..

Originally Posted by douglasgrant

And how and hw many people exactly lived in Toronto in the 19th century who could afford "lovely colonial buildings"? You dont know the history of Toronto.

Originally Posted by chrisbrockhurst

Oshawa - specifically downtown. Part of the reason it is so bad downtown is because there are two meth clinics with 1 minute walk of it, one north, one south. It brings out the crazies/disgustingtons/ on a daily basis. I see it everyday.

Originally Posted by douglasgrant

Yes, there is a reason there are so many crazies roaming the streets and riding the pubic transit in GTA. Higher than normal for a city this size. The man responsible (one of a few actually) for that great idea recently passed away from old age. About 6 months ago I think. I'll let the UK brethren google for it just for fun.

With all due respect to him though, he was very bright, very good hearted, had very good intentions, and I guess it probably was a good idea at the time; but unfortunately, it did failed miserably.

Originally Posted by douglasgrant

Places that used to be drug hangouts and crazy towns (places where I used to have to walk and step over blood, vomiting aboriginals and homeless people with needles in their arms have been re-faced with trendy coffee shops and trendy artsy lofts).

Originally Posted by dbd33

Mike Harris is dead? Oh Happy Day.

Originally Posted by jandro

No, I think it was this guy.

Originally Posted by jandro

No, I think it was this guy.

Originally Posted by dbd33

Not to blame. Not at all. The mass of poor and disabled people on the streets, specifically the population of Allen Gardens, is a direct result of Harris's Lack of Care in the Community initiative. Elected by the population of the 905 area code, he visited suburban wrath on the urban population, primarily by a campaign of closing care facilities. An unpleasant and vindictive man, next to Jack Layton, he was the most harmful politician to Toronto since I've been in Canada.

Mr. Greenland may, as a clinician, have advocated community involvement but the timing's all wrong. The great mass of people unable to care for themselves weren't kicked on to the street until the mid-90s.

Originally Posted by jandro

Harris' predecessor, Rae, wasn't all that popular either towards the end of his term with his 'Rae days' and employment equity.

Originally Posted by douglasgrant

Because these cities were never medieval cities which grew over time. Toronto was just a port and fort for a very long time until recently.

Anyways, back to OPs quesitons:

A lot of Toronto has been built up and changed over the last 10 years due to cheap money and the housing boom. Places that used to be drug hangouts and crazy towns (places where I used to have to walk and step over blood, vomiting aboriginals and homeless people with needles in their arms have been re-faced with trendy coffee shops and trendy artsy lofts). Buyer and mover beware: this was how it was for a very long time. It only changed recently in the last 10 or so years. So if I were a fortune teller and I said, there is a chance it could go back to the way it was within the next 10 or so years, I could have a good case.

Anyways, for TO, places to stay away from these days:
- South side of Etobicoke to Mississauga along Lakeshore before you hit the credit river.
- some south old parts of Mississauga.
- some parts of Scarborough. google.
- Far west end of Parkdale in downtown
- Some parts of Crazy Ossington & Queen to King[1]

Originally Posted by jandro

According to the article there was a policy, dating back to the 60 or 70s, of discharging the mentally ill and giving them drugs to reduce their worst symptons. I think that was a national trend. Was the same thing happening in the UK? I remember seeing lots of mentally ill homeless in Ontario cities way before '95.

Harris' predecessor, Rae, wasn't all that popular either towards the end of his term with his 'Rae days' and employment equity.

Originally Posted by caretaker

Nonsense