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Re: Winter 2017-18
Have you ever considered moving to the UK? The weather is quite temperate and I've never needed to shovel a drive or hire a vehicular protection shelter. They speak mostly English and the food has improved enormously. I think you'd like it.
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Re: Winter 2017-18
A January month of winter in Vancouver
It's rained 24 out of 29 days so far this month. :rofl: It sucks:' Vancouver reacts to seemingly endless rain 'It sucks:' Vancouver reacts to seemingly endless rain - British Columbia - CBC News Multimedia |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12430973)
A January month of winter in Vancouver
It's rained 24 out of 29 days so far this month. :rofl: It sucks:' Vancouver reacts to seemingly endless rain 'It sucks:' Vancouver reacts to seemingly endless rain - British Columbia - CBC News Multimedia Glad I got to have 9 days of rain free fun in So. California though. |
Re: Winter 2017-18
I have yet to see any figures but snow-wise I'd say this is our least snowy winter in my time. This is my 13th. It's been very cold for more longer periods than usual.
Of course, February hits this week and we generally get more than half winter's snow from now on. But that won't be hard this time. Before it began snowing today there was barely any snow on the ground, just the odd patch. |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 12431011)
I have yet to see any figures but snow-wise I'd say this is our least snowy winter in my time. This is my 13th. It's been very cold for more longer periods than usual.
Of course, February hits this week and we generally get more than half winter's snow from now on. But that won't be hard this time. Before it began snowing today there was barely any snow on the ground, just the odd patch. What gets me this January is the wild fluctuations in temperature. Anywhere from +12 to -28. We've had 10 days above zero and eight below -20 |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Souvy
(Post 12431344)
What gets me this January is the wild fluctuations in temperature. Anywhere from +12 to -28. We've had 10 days above zero and eight below -20
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Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
(Post 12431399)
We've had similar fluctuations - although not with the extremes of course. Monday night through Tuesday morning we had 18cm of snow and ice pellets, then some freezing rain then actual rain and drizzle through to this morning. It's currently +7 but by evening it will be -4. No idea how much snow we've had in Jan but really only one big (30cm) storm. It's certainly been milder and wetter than any January I can remember. I'm sure February and March will remind us that winter is not done yet though.;)
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Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Souvy
(Post 12431344)
You've had 132cm this winter, about 10cm less than us. We're about 30cm down on this time of year last year but if February and March do what they did last year, we should pass the average total of 220cm.
What gets me this January is the wild fluctuations in temperature. Anywhere from +12 to -28. We've had 10 days above zero and eight below -20 I can never find a source that gives snowfall amounts by the winter. They all seem to be Jan-Dec. It's often hard to take any real meaning from the official total figures and even individual ones sometimes. Like once when they said 10cm fell and I was shovelling more than knee deep and not just from drifting. Our winter average is supposed to be 282cm but I remember reading it's been several years since we had one that low. There was one winter when judging by how little I had to go out and shovel and how little was on the drive compared to normal that I was convinced we'd had less than half the usual amount but the paper gave out normal amounts.:confused: |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 12431417)
132? That's a shock. That would make it about normal by now then with another 150 to come. Really doesn't seem like it.
I can never find a source that gives snowfall amounts by the winter. They all seem to be Jan-Dec. It's often hard to take any real meaning from the official total figures and even individual ones sometimes. Like once when they said 10cm fell and I was shovelling more than knee deep and not just from drifting. Our winter average is supposed to be 282cm but I remember reading it's been several years since we had one that low. There was one winter when judging by how little I had to go out and shovel and how little was on the drive compared to normal that I was convinced we'd had less than half the usual amount but the paper gave out normal amounts.:confused: https://weather.gc.ca/canada_e.html Just click on the city, or province and then pick the location. When you have your location, scroll down to the bottom to the historical bit. It'll tell you all you want to know. You can even download the data to a spreadsheet, if you are that sad (like me). |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Souvy
(Post 12431434)
You can get very detailed numbers here.
https://weather.gc.ca/canada_e.html Just click on the city, or province and then pick the location. When you have your location, scroll down to the bottom to the historical bit. It'll tell you all you want to know. You can even download the data to a spreadsheet, if you are that sad (like me). A few years ago when we had that ridiculous winter - the one where people posted videos of the snow at the top of the doors - almost day by day the paper was carrying reports about whether we'd reach the previous record for a winter so there must be some interest. The one that really gets my goat is where a report tells you what the highest and lowest temperature was for "today"...the highest might be 31/1/53 and the lowest 31/1/92. So bloody what? That tells you nothing of any use. :frown: |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 12431448)
Thanks...I'm not seeing it by the winter though. It seems you can do it by the month/year and then make your own winter record. I'm interested but not that interested. :o If so many resources can give month by month and then the total of Jan to Dec, why can't they give the total for Nov to April (or Nov to Oct, effectively the same thing)?
A few years ago when we had that ridiculous winter - the one where people posted videos of the snow at the top of the doors - almost day by day the paper was carrying reports about whether we'd reach the previous record for a winter so there must be some interest. The one that really gets my goat is where a report tells you what the highest and lowest temperature was for "today"...the highest might be 31/1/53 and the lowest 31/1/92. So bloody what? That tells you nothing of any use. :frown: |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Moses2013
(Post 12431454)
The easiest way to get data, is set up your own weather station:lol:. While some data for snow is reliable, it's pretty pointless when the data comes from the mountains or a location 50km away.
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Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 12431460)
I think it comes from the airport here, 10km away.
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Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Moses2013
(Post 12431491)
How to measure snowfall is always a difficult subject. Naturally an airport will also have less snow if you have to keep a runway clear and I doubt they actually really make an effort to measure the area with most lying snow. Measuring rain is obviously a lot easier as you can use a rain gauge.
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Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Souvy
(Post 12431413)
You had 63.8cm in January, as of yesterday.
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Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Moses2013
(Post 12431491)
How to measure snowfall is always a difficult subject. Naturally an airport will also have less snow if you have to keep a runway clear and I doubt they actually really make an effort to measure the area with most lying snow. Measuring rain is obviously a lot easier as you can use a rain gauge.
I think snow depth is measured with sticks placed in the ground but snow accumulation is done with gauges similar to a rain gauge. In most places the actual snow on the ground would be hard pressed at any one time to more than 30% of annual snowfall. eg. Ottawa today the maximum snow on the ground was 75 cm and our average snowfall is 235 cm I think. |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Moses2013
(Post 12431491)
How to measure snowfall is always a difficult subject. Naturally an airport will also have less snow if you have to keep a runway clear and I doubt they actually really make an effort to measure the area with most lying snow. Measuring rain is obviously a lot easier as you can use a rain gauge.
At staffed stations, the snow amount or the depth of accumulated snow-on-ground is measured using a snow ruler or a ruler calibrated to centimetres. The measurements are made at several points which appear representative of the immediate area, and then averaged. Snow is normally measured in "centimetres"." So they'll measure it at an airport in a place where they are not continually plowing it away.:rofl: In my area, elevation is key to snowfall. So what the airport reports will be different to downtown & out where I live. Hell, I get more snow than my M-i-L who lives on the same street 2km away and 100m lower! |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
(Post 12431517)
You think they send a guy out on the runway with a ruler? Whether it's an airport or not, snowfall is measured in the same way. From EC: "At Environment Canada, snow is measured by automated observing stations which register the snowfall and snow-on-ground amounts, using an acoustic snow sensor (SR-50). The automated sites report snowfall amounts hourly in centimetres.
At staffed stations, the snow amount or the depth of accumulated snow-on-ground is measured using a snow ruler or a ruler calibrated to centimetres. The measurements are made at several points which appear representative of the immediate area, and then averaged. Snow is normally measured in "centimetres"." So they'll measure it at an airport in a place where they are not continually plowing it away.:rofl: In my area, elevation is key to snowfall. So what the airport reports will be different to downtown & out where I live. Hell, I get more snow than my M-i-L who lives on the same street 2km away and 100m lower! At Environment Canada, snow is measured by automated observing stations which register the snowfall and snow-on-ground amounts, using an acoustic snow sensor (SR-50). The automated sites report snowfall amounts hourly in centimetres. At staffed stations, the snow amount or the depth of accumulated snow-on-ground is measured using a snow ruler or a ruler calibrated to centimetres. The measurements are made at several points which appear representative of the immediate area, and then averaged. Snow is normally measured in "centimetres". Also note that snowfall amounts are not measured at a number of Environment Canada and partner’s stations as the automated equipment is not capable of this measurement. So the questions is if it's staffed or not and even actually officially measured. |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Moses2013
(Post 12431551)
Exactly, it's not reliable:
At Environment Canada, snow is measured by automated observing stations which register the snowfall and snow-on-ground amounts, using an acoustic snow sensor (SR-50). The automated sites report snowfall amounts hourly in centimetres. At staffed stations, the snow amount or the depth of accumulated snow-on-ground is measured using a snow ruler or a ruler calibrated to centimetres. The measurements are made at several points which appear representative of the immediate area, and then averaged. Snow is normally measured in "centimetres". Also note that snowfall amounts are not measured at a number of Environment Canada and partner’s stations as the automated equipment is not capable of this measurement. So the questions is if it's staffed or not and even actually officially measured. |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
(Post 12431507)
Where are you getting that from? I did look on Env Canada but couldn't obviously find that data.
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Re: Winter 2017-18
And in Vancouver the airport tends to be warmer, get less snow, and less rain vs the other areas, and of course the airport isn't in Vancouver, but Richmond.
Originally Posted by Partially discharged
(Post 12431513)
Here in this area most 'official' weather stations are at airports. Gatineau airport is often much colder earlier on a clear winter morning than Ottawa airport and it is due to soils, proximity to the river and nearby woods.
I think snow depth is measured with sticks placed in the ground but snow accumulation is done with gauges similar to a rain gauge. In most places the actual snow on the ground would be hard pressed at any one time to more than 30% of annual snowfall. eg. Ottawa today the maximum snow on the ground was 75 cm and our average snowfall is 235 cm I think. |
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Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 12434012)
Holy shit!! -42c in Northern Ontario
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Re: Winter 2017-18
There once was a boy from Quebec
Who was buried in snow to his neck When asked "Are you friz?" He replied "Yes, I is, But we don't call this cold in Quebec." |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Souvy
(Post 12430435)
We rent a snow shelter for our driveway. The guys come and put it up and then come back a few months later to take it away.
This time, the guys were putting mine up and watching our neighbour try to put his own up. He was struggling. They took pity, strolled across the road and had his up in about ten minutes. |
Re: Winter 2017-18
OMFG how will they survive
Snow has blanketed parts of Britain as forecasters predict an icy blast will send temperatures plummeting to -4 degrees Celcius overnight. This comes as The Met Office warned that sub-zero temperatures next week could bring major travel disruptions to Scotland, Northern Ireland and parts of the south. In the coming days forecasters are saying a prolonged cold spell is imminent. Those in the north and south should expect to see the coldest temperatures so far this winter. I wish our weather was plummeting to minus 4C then Id be out in a t shirt and light jacket :lol: For the record it currently minus 27C but feels like minus 40C but we are expecting it to be sunny today. Oh and there is the Extreme Cold warning In Effect which basically means don't try licking any lampposts or metal poles today. |
Re: Winter 2017-18
It's good to hustle out there and plug the van in at 4 in the morning, invigorating, gets the blood going.
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Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 12434529)
It's good to hustle out there and plug the van in at 4 in the morning, invigorating, gets the blood going.
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Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12434533)
Plus if you have a dog you are killing 2 birds with one stone so to speak. Plus don't wear mitts/gloves and then crawl back into bed and share the experience with the wife/husband/partner or drunken unknown person in your bed;)
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Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12434533)
Plus if you have a dog you are killing 2 birds with one stone so to speak. Plus don't wear mitts/gloves and then crawl back into bed and share the experience with the wife/husband/partner or drunken unknown person in your bed;)
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Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Teaandtoday5
(Post 12434133)
I couldn't visualise this so I looked it up. According to someone on Reddit it is known as a 'Gatineau garage'.
Different bylaws. In Gatineau it just has to be X feet from the road/sidewalk, fire hydrant or property boundary. In Ottawa you can't have one unless it's at the side or back of your house. There are not many houses I've seen in Ottawa where that is feasible. |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Article in the paper today about people seeing enormous increases in electricity bills between December and January, with the power company saying it was the excessively cold weather.
But I think we may have had as many -30 feels like days in December as January - albeit that some may have been on the 'January' bill with the last few days of Jan being on the next bill. Anyway, $250 in Dec became $600 for Jan for one person and another went $346 to $610. Someone else said her January bill was often double the December one. My November bill was $212, Dec $317 and Jan $606 :eek: ($454 Jan last year). Equalised @ $264 = $3168 still seems okay for houses not in BC. For everything, including AC. |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 12436237)
Article in the paper today about people seeing enormous increases in electricity bills between December and January, with the power company saying it was the excessively cold weather.
But I think we may have had as many -30 feels like days in December as January - albeit that some may have been on the 'January' bill with the last few days of Jan being on the next bill. Anyway, $250 in Dec became $600 for Jan for one person and another went $346 to $610. Someone else said her January bill was often double the December one. My November bill was $212, Dec $317 and Jan $606 :eek: ($454 Jan last year). Equalised @ $264 = $3168 still seems okay for houses not in BC. For everything, including AC. At this rate I'll run out of my £200 winter fuel allowance soon. |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Soon as daughter heads off to do her Masters, we will head off too.
Enough with the cold and snow. |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Tangram
(Post 12436261)
Soon as daughter heads off to do her Masters, we will head off too.
Enough with the cold and snow. |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 12436237)
Article in the paper today about people seeing enormous increases in electricity bills between December and January, with the power company saying it was the excessively cold weather.
But I think we may have had as many -30 feels like days in December as January - albeit that some may have been on the 'January' bill with the last few days of Jan being on the next bill. Anyway, $250 in Dec became $600 for Jan for one person and another went $346 to $610. Someone else said her January bill was often double the December one. My November bill was $212, Dec $317 and Jan $606 :eek: ($454 Jan last year). Equalised @ $264 = $3168 still seems okay for houses not in BC. For everything, including AC. That's equalised. We got a refund last year and our equalised payment was cut by $20 a month. There are some benefits to living here........... |
Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 12436282)
Back to the UK, or to somewhere else?
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Re: Winter 2017-18
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 12436252)
At this rate I'll run out of my £200 winter fuel allowance soon.
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Re: Winter 2017-18
Despite the rain upside to Vancouver is warmer winter temps add in living on a 2nd floor apartment and some winters (this one) the heat doesn't even need to be turned on, which we haven't had to do yet this winter and not looking like we will have to either.
Step 1: 395 kW.h @ $0.08580 /kW.h 33.89 for January, the taxes, rate rider and basic daily charge adds about $10. Unsure why people in BC complain about electric rates, overall I find them reasonable, my dad in California pays 3 times more per kW.h and my mom almost 4 times as much. |
Re: Winter 2017-18
I'm working in Germany at the moment and my apartment (brand new in a new waterfront development like the London Docklands) has district heating and hot water and electricity included in the rent.
190m2 apartment, heating and hot water included, for EUR 1,000/ month. I like the fact they have district hot water/heating here... much more efficient than boilers in every single apartment. |
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