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Stuff like this: 400 acid attacks in 6 months. Ok, not everywhere, but something is obviously rotten in the state of London.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-acid-attacks

Completely agree with Amber Rudd, although I would give perpetrators the option of an acid shower in return for a slightly reduced sentence.

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Could be wrong but odds are pretty good the perpetrators are minorities and offsprings of recent immigrants.

If true, there you have it. Regardless of who it is, a disproportionate percentage of the high profile incidents in the UK in recent years have been caused by you know whats.

And now that I have made my observation I will withdraw from this thread.

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When the UK suffered mass shooting attacks (Dunblane, Hungerford) the response was to remove weapons from general circulation. We didn't demonise mentally ill middle aged white men.

The sensible solution to these attacks is to enforce strict control on the supply of dangerous substances, not to demonise brown teenagers.

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I worry that previously ignorant teenagers, who didn't know how to cause such havoc are now being shown a pretty good idea and might start trying it for themselves, at school and in the wider community.

You can't buy knife without proof of age, the same should be so for corrosive products.

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This is like a racist acid attack; whizz into the thread on your moped, chuck your noxious text, zoom off and be giggling behind the bike sheds before anyone has time to take you on. I bet you're a bloody immigrant.

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The "acid problem" is more than three orders of magnitude greater, maybe even four orders - measured in hundreds a year, not less than a handful over several decades.
Perhaps you don't realize that there are over 31 million containers of strong mineral acid in the UK, and evenly distributed across the country such that most homes have an average (mode, not mean) of two.

The idea that the primary solution to the problem is to "control the supply" or require proof of age is wholly unrealistic, and pretty much unworkable. I think many of the attacks are by men aged 18 or older, so I don't think it would help much anyway.

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Yes of course I am aware of car batteries. However my point is that when a problem arises, the sensible response is to try to find a solution for it - it may be control of supply, it may not.

The incorrect response, however, is what DXBtoDOH did in post 2 - immediately start blaming entire sections of the population, the vast majority of whom are entirely innocent of any wrongdoing whatsoever.

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Strong? What would they be?

I just googled and see mention of hugely varying strength. The "common" use I easily found was cleaning the inside of boilers, fertiliser and cleaning swimming pools. That doesn't really sound like a common to household thing.

Perhaps these 31 million containers are more common to industry, farming or warehouse rather than under the kitchen sink. :unsure:

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See post #7 above. ;)

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DXBtoDOH?

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Except he didn't, if you can take your blinkers off for long enough to read what he actually wrote. .... What he said was that the perpetrators are overwhelming contained in a clearly defined subset of the population, not that the entire subset is doing anything wrong, that is entirely your reading something he didn't say .... though he may have intended to imply it. :unsure:

What certainly does no favours to anyone, and makes a solution harder to find, is to bowdlerize the reports so as to imply that the problem is uniformly distributed across all segments of the British population when it manifestly is not.

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So what does one do, siphon out the liquid from the car battery or something? Serious question.

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Having a look at his most recent posts on forums (Sand Pit seems to be popular for him) he doesn't like many people from countries not his own yet he lives I believe in the Middle East. One thing in his favour is that he doesn't like licorice allsorts so he can't be all bad.:p:p

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Syphon, pour, drill a hole; a car battery is just a funny-shaped bottle full of sulphuric acid. You can probably buy replacement acid fairly easily too as some batteries are (? certainly were) shipped "dry".

Another alternative source of strong mineral acid would be rust remover which contains concentrated phosphoric acid which is nearly as strong as sulphuric acid.

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Statement from Wiki entry on the subject-

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Very strong acid is is easily obtainable from DIY shops for cleaning cement off brickwork. One of the major problems with the quick treatment is which acid was used, if it's Hydrochloric, then water will wash it off, but if it's Sulphuric then a small amount of water will cause more problems as it reacts with the acid to produce a lot of heat, so you need copious amounts of water to avoid burning as well.

Mr Muscle Drain cleaner is a mixture of very strong alkalis, Sodium Hypochlorite and Sodium hydroxide, these can also cause severe burns as indicated on the labelling

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What illustrious company we are in. :o

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Back in my youth it wasn't uncommon for chaps to pack a couple of jif-bottles of bleach, on the principle that it's easier to get that on an assailants (assaillees?) face before they can get the knife/gun on you.

What goes around comes around.

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From Sky News -

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The problem with headlines like this is that you have ask yourselves whether they are factually accurate or whether they betray a hidden, or even overt, agenda. The important feature is that the report is based on police reporting suggesting that "Police record 10% rise in crime in England and Wales, with 18% increase in violent crime and significant rise in murder rate".

This is linked in the story to a corresponding fall in police numbers leading the reader to link the two parts of the story together with a suggestion that the one is a cause of the other.

The problem with police statistics is that historically they have been subject to different methods of accumulating data. It is true that recently, ie since 2013. there has been a rise in police reporting of serious crime. I would suggest that the posters interested in the story look at https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...sexualoffences.

An interesting comparison are the figures collated by the CSEW (Crime Survey of England and Wales). The ONS concludes that "For the population groups and offences it covers, the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) is the best source for assessing long-term trends in violent crime as the survey’s methodology has remained consistent over time."

What a comparison of the data shows is that while police reporting figures are rising to approach those collected by the CSEW numbers suggested that more crime is being reported, overall serious crime has continued to fall since a high peak in 1995.

A responsible journalist would have researched the story and provided a wider appreciation of the figures rather than cherry pick headline numbers. So was the reporter simply lazy or was the reporter trying to portray a story to influence the public in a political way?

Whose side is Sky News on at the moment?

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So the increase in murders is because previously not all murders were reported? ;)

Whichever Conservative government will allow Murdoch to own 100% of Sky.:sneaky:

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The BBC and some broadsheets are carrying broadly the same message as Sky, complete with caveats & qualifications re. the statistics.

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Note that I did say 'cherry pick'. I appreciate that serious crime doesn't get more serious than murder, but simply to sensationalise the issue by leading with this could mislead intentionally or otherwise. I see that the online BBC news site did include mention of the CSEW figures noting 'Despite the rise in crime recorded by police, the Crime Survey of England and Wales, based on people's experiences of crime, showed a 7% drop.' but it didn't stop the BBC leading with the headline 'Largest crime rise in England and Wales for 10 years' which is not supported by the CSEW statistics.

Reporters are becoming simply that. They report that X said Y without comment on whether Y is true, whether X has an agenda or whether the reporter has an interest. In this respect Trump has a point and such activity could result in fake or distorted news, but then he would know all about that since he's mastered the technique for himself.

Journalism should rise above this as it drags the profession into the gutter.

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Sounds like a case of X saying Y!

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From today's news -

Admittedly her Father was present...

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They have apologised and rescinded the fine, said the enforcement people were a bit overzealous... :lol:

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Overzealous or just plain stupid. Why anyone would think it fit to issue a fine in this situation beggars belief.

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Wot's wrong wiv Britain?
Arll tell ya wot's wrong.
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Thank god, I can start moaning again...
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