What improvements can be made for immigration?
#1
What improvements can be made for immigration?
This question is meant for potential immigrants, recent immigrants as well as long time immigrants or born Canadians. I realize this is a loaded question, but Canada takes in more immigrants per capita than any other country. If this is the case then it only seems to reason that Canada should have an efficient and streamlined immigration process.
The Federal government is trying to make it better by allowing the provinces to have more of a voice via the provincial nominee programs and developing "the list" of occupations that have a shortage of domestic supply. This will only benefit the immigrants and the country by matching skilled people to skilled labour shortages.
I thing something like 40% of new immigrants move to the GTA which has 15% of Canada's population. If this is the case then it makes sense to me that many professions in the GTA would be flooded with skilled labour while other areas still have the skilled labour shortages. Although many Brits and other immigrants from Europe tend to "spreed out more" across the country, many immigrants from Asia tend to settle in GTA or Montreal and Vancouver. This means that many skilled people are not working in their field in these places while the areas in Canada that need these people are still going without in many cases.
Just wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to fix this.
(sorry if this is posted in the wrong place.)
The Federal government is trying to make it better by allowing the provinces to have more of a voice via the provincial nominee programs and developing "the list" of occupations that have a shortage of domestic supply. This will only benefit the immigrants and the country by matching skilled people to skilled labour shortages.
I thing something like 40% of new immigrants move to the GTA which has 15% of Canada's population. If this is the case then it makes sense to me that many professions in the GTA would be flooded with skilled labour while other areas still have the skilled labour shortages. Although many Brits and other immigrants from Europe tend to "spreed out more" across the country, many immigrants from Asia tend to settle in GTA or Montreal and Vancouver. This means that many skilled people are not working in their field in these places while the areas in Canada that need these people are still going without in many cases.
Just wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to fix this.
(sorry if this is posted in the wrong place.)
#2
Re: What improvements can be made for immigration?
Illegal immigrants are better for the country than legal ones. They have to stay out of trouble or they're deported. They have to go where their skills are needed, no employer would take the risk of employing them if they weren't required.
In short, less government involvement, more efficient results.
#3
Re: What improvements can be made for immigration?
I agree that the country can't build itself on skilled people alone. That creates a scenario where there are to many generals and not enough soldiers. The country needs unskilled labour as much as skilled labour. That puts the whole points system into question because if you are only accepting one group than the rules of supply and demand will apply, especially in areas where more immigrants settle.
As for illegal immigrants, are there enough to fill the void?
As for illegal immigrants, are there enough to fill the void?
#4
Re: What improvements can be made for immigration?
I agree that the country can't build itself on skilled people alone. That creates a scenario where there are to many generals and not enough soldiers. The country needs unskilled labour as much as skilled labour. That puts the whole points system into question because if you are only accepting one group than the rules of supply and demand will apply, especially in areas where more immigrants settle.
As for illegal immigrants, are there enough to fill the void?
As for illegal immigrants, are there enough to fill the void?
#6
Re: What improvements can be made for immigration?
That being said any ideas on what the Feds could do to bring in more unskilled labour? I know here in the Maritimes some companies/farms bring in people from Jamaica and the Philippines for months at a time to fill local area labour shortages. Does this happen elsewhere?
#7
Re: What improvements can be made for immigration?
Rewarding criminals is rarely a good policy; as the American experience has proven, immigration 'amnesties' merely ensure more illegal immigration in the future.
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Re: What improvements can be made for immigration?
Employers can't legally hire illegal immigrants, I don't think that the general public would support giving illegal immigrants full status if they broke Canadian laws to get here. It sets a bad precedent.
That being said any ideas on what the Feds could do to bring in more unskilled labour? I know here in the Maritimes some companies/farms bring in people from Jamaica and the Philippines for months at a time to fill local area labour shortages. Does this happen elsewhere?
That being said any ideas on what the Feds could do to bring in more unskilled labour? I know here in the Maritimes some companies/farms bring in people from Jamaica and the Philippines for months at a time to fill local area labour shortages. Does this happen elsewhere?
#9
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,139
Re: What improvements can be made for immigration?
That being said any ideas on what the Feds could do to bring in more unskilled labour? I know here in the Maritimes some companies/farms bring in people from Jamaica and the Philippines for months at a time to fill local area labour shortages. Does this happen elsewhere?
The 2009 plan includes up to 156,600 immigrants in the economic category; 71,000 in the family category; and 37,400 in the humanitarian category.
With a total immigrant intake of between 240,000 & 265,000 for one year, it seems that the skilled economic class accounts for roughly 60% of the intake at best. I do agree that the provincial nominee schemes should be given more scope for selection though.
#10
Re: What improvements can be made for immigration?
Surely the newcomers from non-economic immigration categories provide a satisfactory amount of 'unskilled labour'? Here are some figures from the CIC site -
The 2009 plan includes up to 156,600 immigrants in the economic category; 71,000 in the family category; and 37,400 in the humanitarian category.
With a total immigrant intake of between 240,000 & 265,000 for one year, it seems that the skilled economic class accounts for roughly 60% of the intake at best. I do agree that the provincial nominee schemes should be given more scope for selection though.
The 2009 plan includes up to 156,600 immigrants in the economic category; 71,000 in the family category; and 37,400 in the humanitarian category.
With a total immigrant intake of between 240,000 & 265,000 for one year, it seems that the skilled economic class accounts for roughly 60% of the intake at best. I do agree that the provincial nominee schemes should be given more scope for selection though.
On the other hand, any suggestions on how to simplify the process for folks waiting to immigrate? It seems to take a while for many.
#11
Re: What improvements can be made for immigration?
For a start, I'd frown upon immigration from outside the Solar System. Much of the delay seems to derives from the inefficiencies of intergalactic transport systems.
#12
Joined: Jul 2007
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Re: What improvements can be made for immigration?
^^ Yep. What he said. ^^
It very well could be the case that there is enough unskilled and skilled labour coming into the country but that they don't always move to where they are needed the most.
Indeed, that's why the PNP's should be given more scope to adapt themselves to the economic & work force needs of the province. This would, of course, detract from your ordinary FSW quota. IIRC they already increased the % allowed for PNP's this year, to the detriment of the FSW allowance. You can't please everyone.
I don't know how many in the family classes or humanitarian classes are capable of working right away, (age, ability to communicate in english, etc)
Difficult to say. However, they do not have to qualify in terms of applicable skills, education or language so it's a fair assumption that these attributes may be lacking.
but the fact remains that some areas are still waiting for people and some people are still waiting for jobs. There are stories of people who don't find work in their field.
On the other hand, any suggestions on how to simplify the process for folks waiting to immigrate?
For folks waiting to immigrate? All I ask is that they play by the rules that were in place when I applied and stop shifting the damn goal posts. There is the constant threat that they will apply any new legislation retrospectively, therefore balls-ing up the chances of those who have waiting it out in the queue for a number of years. That's really all I ask on behalf of those still in the queue. What they can do with new applicants really is anyone's guess at this point. We will wait and see how well or otherwise the list of 38 occupations translates into real life....especially given the current economic outlook.
It seems to take a while for many. I nominate you for todays "Vast Understatement Award".
Indeed, that's why the PNP's should be given more scope to adapt themselves to the economic & work force needs of the province. This would, of course, detract from your ordinary FSW quota. IIRC they already increased the % allowed for PNP's this year, to the detriment of the FSW allowance. You can't please everyone.
I don't know how many in the family classes or humanitarian classes are capable of working right away, (age, ability to communicate in english, etc)
Difficult to say. However, they do not have to qualify in terms of applicable skills, education or language so it's a fair assumption that these attributes may be lacking.
but the fact remains that some areas are still waiting for people and some people are still waiting for jobs. There are stories of people who don't find work in their field.
On the other hand, any suggestions on how to simplify the process for folks waiting to immigrate?
For folks waiting to immigrate? All I ask is that they play by the rules that were in place when I applied and stop shifting the damn goal posts. There is the constant threat that they will apply any new legislation retrospectively, therefore balls-ing up the chances of those who have waiting it out in the queue for a number of years. That's really all I ask on behalf of those still in the queue. What they can do with new applicants really is anyone's guess at this point. We will wait and see how well or otherwise the list of 38 occupations translates into real life....especially given the current economic outlook.
It seems to take a while for many. I nominate you for todays "Vast Understatement Award".
#13
Re: What improvements can be made for immigration?
Canada is the second biggest country in the world and has a small population compared to its land mass. Canada is one of the richest countries in the world and this will no doubt continue for many years to come due to its large deposits of natural resources. Canada has a good standard of living compared to other industrialised nations. Because of this, there will be no shortage of candidates from all over the world wanting to get into Canada and start a new life.
I would say Canada needs to greatly expand its immigration services to keep up with the demand. I dont think Canada can afford to restrict immigration by putting in place a 'List of 38 jobs in demand'. Some countries can get away with it but Canada needs people and the best who can contribute to the Canadian economy and the Canadian way of life.
I'm not saying Canada should only accept highly paid individuals, but people who intend to work in their profession or a similar profession, integrate into the Canadian way of life and pay their dues to the Canadian system.
I think immigration should be open to everyone however priority given to individuals whose occupations are in demand although without a 'List'. Canadian immigration should be given alot more resources to cut down the waiting times from years to weeks and deal with the backlog of applications so that we can be taken in and contribute to the Canadian economy. We will all benefit as a result.
I would say Canada needs to greatly expand its immigration services to keep up with the demand. I dont think Canada can afford to restrict immigration by putting in place a 'List of 38 jobs in demand'. Some countries can get away with it but Canada needs people and the best who can contribute to the Canadian economy and the Canadian way of life.
I'm not saying Canada should only accept highly paid individuals, but people who intend to work in their profession or a similar profession, integrate into the Canadian way of life and pay their dues to the Canadian system.
I think immigration should be open to everyone however priority given to individuals whose occupations are in demand although without a 'List'. Canadian immigration should be given alot more resources to cut down the waiting times from years to weeks and deal with the backlog of applications so that we can be taken in and contribute to the Canadian economy. We will all benefit as a result.
#15
Re: What improvements can be made for immigration?
Yes.