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Former Lancastrian Jan 7th 2013 7:53 am

Re: Visiting the USA from Canada Options
 

Originally Posted by Greenhill (Post 10469790)
I suspect you have a couple of garbage cans in your 'office'. One under a basket ball hoop and the other tub-shaped, for easy landing of paper aeroplanes. Both full of crumpled, or neatly folded I94's :sneaky:

Another reason not to piss us off:rofl: We have a nice selection of both green and white I94 waivers in our drawer I must return them to USCBP one day.

scrubbedexpat133 Jan 7th 2013 12:41 pm

Re: Visiting the USA from Canada Options
 

Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 10468914)
Never IMX. Perhaps the border services people in your neck of the woods lack excitement and have to pounce on expired I94Ws to liven up their days?

Nope - over here they are staffed by human beings - it was one of the busier crossings where they like to remind you that they have a badge and they are the boss.

GC44 Jan 7th 2013 2:09 pm

Re: Visiting the USA from Canada Options
 

Originally Posted by gooodman (Post 10469725)
You mean stop over before the canadian border control and go towards the US control building to hand them over? Is it that straightforward and is there a dedicated walk route to do this as we will be driving on the other side?

Have done this before, not an issue.

Jingle Jan 8th 2013 5:41 am

Re: Visiting the USA from Canada Options
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 10469766)
Who knows :lol: I mean god forbid we actually act like human beings and strike up a conversation with travellers. I know it sucks for them waiting behind you but he should not have detained you for the 7 minutes as that is well above our service standard time. Showing an interest to others ARGH what was he thinking:confused:

I had to smile when I read this - we had a LONG conversation with a US immigration officer when we went across the border fairly late at night. The computer system was down and he couldn't process our application. We were offered coffee and told it would just be a few minutes - it was actually an hour. Hubby quizzed him about all sorts and then said - I probably shouldn't be talking to you this much but the guy just smiled and said 'we are human and enjoy a chat as much as anyone else - I'm not making notes!'

We did wonder what would happen if the computer didn't come back online as it would have been a long drive back to civilization in BC. He said that immigration officials are allowed to use discretion in those circumstances. Luckily we didn't have to find out if we passed that test as the computer came back online.

He was a nice guy and we see him pretty regularly when we cross over now.

J :)

Jingle Jan 8th 2013 5:43 am

Re: Visiting the USA from Canada Options
 

Originally Posted by gooodman (Post 10469638)
Based on your experience...Once the I94/W exit form is surrendered to the Canadian side on the way back, Will there be any evidence provided to us in the form of a stamping or receipt to say we have handed them over?

So when we return to the US border for entry next time, there is a possiblity for the US officer saying no record of exit found in their system and could potentially deny entry or deport to UK?

I know the above might sound extreme but the US law doesnt look flexible.

No there is no proof of handing it back in but don't sweat it. Based on my earlier experience I would suggest that it is pretty flexible - after all if you are crossing from Canada you must have returned at some point. It's really not a big deal but I know that the first few times we crossed back and forth I was really worried about the whole process - now not so much.

J :)

Jingle Jan 8th 2013 5:48 am

Re: Visiting the USA from Canada Options
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 10469624)
As per post #12 we cant have a sense of humor at times:lol:
See what we find funny travellers dont but what travellers find funny we dont, strange concept eh.
Ultimately it is your (the travellers) responsibility to hand in the I94 waiver.

Yep ..... I never initiate a jovial conversation with immigration officers but it is nice when they have a smile about something .... I try to reciprocate without looking like a jibbering idiot.

J

badab1ng Jan 8th 2013 8:38 am

Re: Visiting the USA from Canada Options
 
Anyone flown to the US from Canada on ESTA then driven back ? Is it a problem ?

Deficient Jan 10th 2013 3:08 am

Re: Visiting the USA from Canada Options
 

Originally Posted by badab1ng (Post 10472213)
Anyone flown to the US from Canada on ESTA then driven back ? Is it a problem ?

I was under the impression that this was a problem, i.e.

Fly in on ESTA, then drive out = not OK
Drive in on I-94W, then fly out = OK

And I feel like I've read something official to this effect but right now I cannot for the life of me seem to find anything to back it up.

Anyone? Am I wrong about this?

Former Lancastrian Jan 10th 2013 3:12 am

Re: Visiting the USA from Canada Options
 
Eligible nationals or citizens of countries that participate in the Visa Waiver Program require either a travel authorization or a visa to transit the United States. If a traveler is only planning to transit through the United States en route to another country, when he or she completes the travel authorization application in ESTA, the traveler should enter the words "In Transit" and his or her final destination location in the address lines in the Address While In The United States field on the application.
https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/WebHel...Help_1.htm#WP3

Almost Canadian Jan 10th 2013 3:19 am

Re: Visiting the USA from Canada Options
 

Originally Posted by Deficient (Post 10475440)
I was under the impression that this was a problem, i.e.

Fly in on ESTA, then drive out = not OK
Drive in on I-94W, then fly out = OK

And I feel like I've read something official to this effect but right now I cannot for the life of me seem to find anything to back it up.

Anyone? Am I wrong about this?

Why do you believe that this would not be OK. An ESTA is not trip specific.

Former Lancastrian Jan 10th 2013 3:22 am

Re: Visiting the USA from Canada Options
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 10475465)
Why do you believe that this would not be OK. An ESTA is not trip specific.

Probably because of this
You are eligible to apply for admission under the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) if you:
•Intend to enter the United States for 90 days or less for business, pleasure or transit
•Have a valid passport lawfully issued to you by a Visa Waiver Program country
•Have authorization to travel via the Electronic System for Travel Authorization
•Arrive via a Visa Waiver Program signatory carrier
•Have a return or onward ticket
•Travel may not terminate in contiguous territory or adjacent islands unless the traveler is a resident of one of those areas
•Are a citizen or national of one of the Visa Waiver Program countries listed below:

Travel not terminating in contigous territory.

Oakvillian Jan 10th 2013 6:18 am

Re: Visiting the USA from Canada Options
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 10475480)
Probably because of this
You are eligible to apply for admission under the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) if you:
•Intend to enter the United States for 90 days or less for business, pleasure or transit
•Have a valid passport lawfully issued to you by a Visa Waiver Program country
•Have authorization to travel via the Electronic System for Travel Authorization
•Arrive via a Visa Waiver Program signatory carrier
•Have a return or onward ticket
•Travel may not terminate in contiguous territory or adjacent islands unless the traveler is a resident of one of those areas
•Are a citizen or national of one of the Visa Waiver Program countries listed below:

Travel not terminating in contigous territory.

seems your point does not apply to residents of Canada, unless I've misunderstood.

More likely they might take issue with the lack of an onward or return ticket - although for a Canadian resident I can't see why you wouldn't be able to fly in on ESTA and drive back. Might need to explain that to the immigration official at your point of entry/pre-clearance, though.

dbd33 Jan 10th 2013 6:34 am

Re: Visiting the USA from Canada Options
 

Originally Posted by badab1ng (Post 10472213)
Anyone flown to the US from Canada on ESTA then driven back ? Is it a problem ?

We drove to Buffalo using an I94, flew to Seattle, took the train to Vancouver then flew back to Buffalo using an ESTA established from Toronto before the trip. This puzzled the relevant authorities. I imagine your plan will too.

I'd get an I94 in advance (by going to America for the day) then an ESTA, then you'll have more than you need. Too many permits is less likely to cause a ruckus than too few.

Former Lancastrian Jan 10th 2013 7:48 am

Re: Visiting the USA from Canada Options
 

Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 10475838)
seems your point does not apply to residents of Canada, unless I've misunderstood.

More likely they might take issue with the lack of an onward or return ticket - although for a Canadian resident I can't see why you wouldn't be able to fly in on ESTA and drive back. Might need to explain that to the immigration official at your point of entry/pre-clearance, though.

No you havent misunderstood if you are a resident of Canada or one of those contiguous territory then you are ok.
The problem is the poster being a resident of the UK does not legally qualify to fly into the US on an ESTA then drive into Canada. He could fly in on an ESTA in transit and then fly to Canada but not drive.

ArthurBrit Jan 10th 2013 7:52 am

Re: Visiting the USA from Canada Options
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 10475993)
No you havent misunderstood if you are a resident of Canada or one of those contiguous territory then you are ok.
The problem is the poster being a resident of the UK does not legally qualify to fly into the US on an ESTA then drive into Canada. He could fly in on an ESTA in transit and then fly to Canada but not drive.

Is this supposed to read Citizen cause it sounds like he is a resident of Canada. :confused:


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