Yorkiechef

I fit that description..like so many.

paw339

From the Washington Post which is as liberal as you get

"Yes, antifa is the moral equivalent of neo-Nazis"

"Last weekend in Berkeley, Calif., a group of neo-communist antifa — “anti-fascist” — thugs attacked peaceful protesters at a “No to Marxism in America” rally, wielding sticks and pepper spray, and beating people with homemade shields that read (I kid you not) “No Hate.” The Post reports how one peaceful protester “was attacked by five black-clad antifa members, each windmilling kicks and punches into a man desperately trying to protect himself.”"

"The organizer of the anti-Marxism protest is not a white supremacist. Amber Cummings is a self-described “transsexual female who embraces diversity”"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.719503ad8dd5

The LA Times and others have also run similar stories over last few days

dbd33

What we have here is a straw man argument. Denouncing the alt-right is not the same as supporting the antifa.

Yorkiechef

I read that article, what is it with people in the states and some other places that they feel they have to be part of some movement or protest group, are they missing something in their life. In UK we are part of the go down the pub with your mates group and have a social natter.....wtf, each of these anti-social groups are the problem.

BristolUK

That's an opinion writer not "the" washington post. He also writes for Fox News where he has sided with Trump. Quite liberal of the paper to give him a voice

In any case, black clad? Sounds more like Anarchist, Class War leech types who latch on to other demos, marches and summits.

paw339

Back on the topic of illegal border crossings.

"President Trump, as early as Friday, is expected to announce plans to end the Obama administration program that gave a deportation reprieve to hundreds of thousands of young illegal immigrants, a senior administration official told Fox News."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...cial-says.html

Additionally there are approximately 195k from El Salvador and 57K from Honduras with the same Temporary Protected Status (TPS) as per the 50k people in the US from Haiti (whose TPS is due to end in January).

Shard

In the circumstances, Canada can now be viewed as a first country of refuge (for those who are genuine refugees) can it not?

BristolUK

Have you ever wondered that many Brits might be so keen on the first safe country idea because of the strong likelihood that being an Island refugees are much more likely to reach some other country first?

Shard

That's without question last year.

morpeth

The mindset is very similar between both groups.

Shard

I doubt that anybody on here "supports Antifa".

dave_j

Perhaps not but I strongly suspect that many are inclined to excuse their activities because they sympathise with them.

dbd33

No one has done that. This is deflection or whataboutism. Some posters, too many to list, say the neo-Nazis are bad, marching in the streets shouting racist slogans isn't something of which they approve. Other posters, carcajou, paw339, morpeth, like Trump, don't explicitly align themselves with the neo-Nazis but, instead, say the neo-Nazis are equivalent to people who don't like them or that they're just boys being boys and they have no power beyond terrorizing a few bystanders so they don't matter. When that looks a bit lame they seek to align those who disapprove of neo-Nazis with violent extremists who also disapprove of the neo-Nazis; it's easy to find some as almost everyone disapproves of the neo-Nazis.

Two things puzzle me a bit here. iirc, morpeth has previously posted that he or she belongs to a religious cult (which one escapes me now). Does morpeth not realize that when the Trumpists have done with the Jews and the Catholics they'll need another scapegoat; it's not safe to condone them? The other is why the Trumpists think the Jews would want to replace them in the first place; you don't see a lot of jacked up trucks and prison tats at White Hart Lane.

paw339

I would disagree as they are not fleeing persecution in the US they are under threat that their visas may run out.

Turns out President Trump is under time pressure on the "dreamers act" (DACA) because of an upcoming court case that is likely to rule that the dreamers act is illegal because president Obama didn't have the authority to sign the act congress needed to. The court case is in the beginning of September. President Trump has to decide to decide whether or not to defend it.

Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA) was halted by the courts for the same reasons that the DACA is being challenged.

morpeth

I do not recall anyone approving the message exhibited through the slogans of the KKK or nep-Nazi's ( and probably none of us have actually read what their "platforms" are); just the point being made that the mindset/actions of their opponents such as the Antifa are very similar not those of the KKK it seems, and thus just as worrisome for those who believe in non-violent protest and tolerance as an idea of a civil society. Simply why only condemn the extreme right , why not extreme left at same time?

I didn't vote for Trump, nor do I exactly know or have heard of "Trumpists" who have it out for the Catholic church- I remember from the campaign weren't their leaked emails showing some of Clinton's stuff very anti-Catholic, and some Catholic intellectuals questioning how a believing Catholic could for a Democrat candidate.

I am unsure where you have the idea I am a member of any "cult".

The neo-Nazis seem to have no real political power nor prospect of such, and
membership of such groups seems minimal nationwide. Seems a fantasy issue in minds of Antifa member and their sympathisers on many college campuses- maybe their energies would be better devoted to real issues to help the working poor, supporting job growth and healthcare issues.