USA refugees Huh?
#136
Re: USA refugees Huh?
Ah, so you're with Trump on the blame on both sides then. No more need be said. But I'm going to say it anyway.
The first group (taking their guns and other weapons to a march) wants to get rid of jews, blacks etc It's what they were chanting and it's what they say.
They are prepared to kill people who disagree. They said this. They said the death of the woman run over was justified.
I'm bewildered by your idea that the group of people who object to these violent actions against others are the ones wanting to impose their ides on the first group.
I'm not sure even Trump would sound so....I'm stuck for the right word...deranged? Is that too strong?
The first group (taking their guns and other weapons to a march) wants to get rid of jews, blacks etc It's what they were chanting and it's what they say.
They are prepared to kill people who disagree. They said this. They said the death of the woman run over was justified.
I'm bewildered by your idea that the group of people who object to these violent actions against others are the ones wanting to impose their ides on the first group.
I'm not sure even Trump would sound so....I'm stuck for the right word...deranged? Is that too strong?
#137
Re: USA refugees Huh?
Accepting that both sides were entitled to attend and demonstrate, one cannot help but think that had those that were opposing the protest not attended, a few nutjobs would have attended and shouted whatever filth they wanted to, no one but the media would have taken any interest in that, one woman would still be alive and a number of others would not have been injured. Did the gains made by those opposing the protest justify the price paid?
#138
Re: USA refugees Huh?
A few nut jobs today becomes a bigger movement tomorrow. No signal is sent, and more young men (and deranged old men) become persuaded that neo nazism is a viable philosophy. I found the very fact that they could march like that in public quite shocking. Full credit to those who stood them down.
There will always be nut jobs and one can argue that it is better to confront them, or better to ignore them, until one is blue in the face. I don’t believe that the price paid by the protesters justified the benefit they obtained.
Once again, I find it somewhat strange how those that argue for “confrontation” usually argue the exact opposite when dealing with North Korea. I can only assume that they believe that the potential of the “white supremacism” movement for death is significantly more than a nuclear armed North Korea could inflict in the Pacific.
#139
Re: USA refugees Huh?
Let's forget the events of Charlotteville but examine the quote above, and only the quote above. I don't want to focus on this instance, we all think like this sometimes.
We readily give our opinions on this site and these betray some of our deepest thoughts. The fact that we consider some who we think of as 'nut jobs' indicates that their behaviour is completely incomprehensible to us to the extent that we think them mad. I would suggest that this generates a response that forces us to act to ensure that the so called 'nut jobs', these who we simply do not understand, aren't allowed to spread their heretic ideas.
All is well where such groups are universally condemned.. but what happens where the group is small but simply expounds ideas we find difficult to cope with? Where do we draw the line? What happens where such a group is at odds with current political, religious or even our own strong minority views?
We see intolerance wherever we look and it is up to us to personally stand back and control knee jerk responses. Something most posters would do well to consider.
We no longer burn witches at the stake because we now understand that they pose little threat to us.. but imagine being a 17th century christian at fear of our soul, we would unversally light the torch, an act we would now condemn and consider to be mad.. or are there witch burners still out there?
We should all be as afraid of those who seek to obliterate the spread of ideas that we disapprove of as we should the ideas themselves. Just last month a Thai man was jailed for 35 years for Facebook posts deemed insulting to the royal family, who do you think is the 'nut job' in this case?
What I'm suggesting is that when faced with someone whose activities we find difficult to understand, something every parent of a teenager will experience, we shouldn't lock them up or seek to batter them into submission but should stand back and ask ourselves 'is this idea one we can ignore, is it an existential threat or is it self limiting and will it fade away with time and can we live with it?' It is all too easy to get on our own high horse and act to silence those we disagree with.
We readily give our opinions on this site and these betray some of our deepest thoughts. The fact that we consider some who we think of as 'nut jobs' indicates that their behaviour is completely incomprehensible to us to the extent that we think them mad. I would suggest that this generates a response that forces us to act to ensure that the so called 'nut jobs', these who we simply do not understand, aren't allowed to spread their heretic ideas.
All is well where such groups are universally condemned.. but what happens where the group is small but simply expounds ideas we find difficult to cope with? Where do we draw the line? What happens where such a group is at odds with current political, religious or even our own strong minority views?
We see intolerance wherever we look and it is up to us to personally stand back and control knee jerk responses. Something most posters would do well to consider.
We no longer burn witches at the stake because we now understand that they pose little threat to us.. but imagine being a 17th century christian at fear of our soul, we would unversally light the torch, an act we would now condemn and consider to be mad.. or are there witch burners still out there?
We should all be as afraid of those who seek to obliterate the spread of ideas that we disapprove of as we should the ideas themselves. Just last month a Thai man was jailed for 35 years for Facebook posts deemed insulting to the royal family, who do you think is the 'nut job' in this case?
What I'm suggesting is that when faced with someone whose activities we find difficult to understand, something every parent of a teenager will experience, we shouldn't lock them up or seek to batter them into submission but should stand back and ask ourselves 'is this idea one we can ignore, is it an existential threat or is it self limiting and will it fade away with time and can we live with it?' It is all too easy to get on our own high horse and act to silence those we disagree with.
Last edited by dave_j; Aug 30th 2017 at 4:02 pm.
#140
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Jul 2016
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
Ah, so you're with Trump on the blame on both sides then. No more need be said. But I'm going to say it anyway.
The first group (taking their guns and other weapons to a march) wants to get rid of jews, blacks etc It's what they were chanting and it's what they say.
They are prepared to kill people who disagree. They said this. They said the death of the woman run over was justified.
I'm bewildered by your idea that the group of people who object to these violent actions against others are the ones wanting to impose their ides on the first group.
I'm not sure even Trump would sound so....I'm stuck for the right word...deranged? Is that too strong?
The first group (taking their guns and other weapons to a march) wants to get rid of jews, blacks etc It's what they were chanting and it's what they say.
They are prepared to kill people who disagree. They said this. They said the death of the woman run over was justified.
I'm bewildered by your idea that the group of people who object to these violent actions against others are the ones wanting to impose their ides on the first group.
I'm not sure even Trump would sound so....I'm stuck for the right word...deranged? Is that too strong?
#142
Re: USA refugees Huh?
, we shouldn't lock them up or seek to batter them into submission but should stand back and ask ourselves 'is this idea one we can ignore, is it an existential threat or is it self limiting and will it fade away with time and can we live with it?' It is all too easy to get on our own high horse and act to silence those we disagree with.
No need to stand back and muse on whether racist rhetoric may have a point (most opponents have already thought it through and know that it does not). Far better to call them out for being wrong and signal that their thinking is warped.
#143
Re: USA refugees Huh?
Once again, I find it somewhat strange how those that argue for “confrontation” usually argue the exact opposite when dealing with North Korea. I can only assume that they believe that the potential of the “white supremacism” movement for death is significantly more than a nuclear armed North Korea could inflict in the Pacific.
#144
Re: USA refugees Huh?
I see. So you confront the one you are able to mock with words, but leave alone the one that has the potential to obliterate cities. If you don’t already work for the UN, you should apply for a position there.
#145
Re: USA refugees Huh?
That is of course possible.
But did you see the HBO produced documentary that was linked to here?
They intend stepping up their game. One wonders what the next level to turning up armed and a "justified" death might be.
But did you see the HBO produced documentary that was linked to here?
They intend stepping up their game. One wonders what the next level to turning up armed and a "justified" death might be.
#146
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 10,009
Re: USA refugees Huh?
Why would I need to support either side ? The neo-Nazi/KKK groups dont have any real traction in the American political process, the Antifa and similar people are more numerous and exhibit the same sort of totalitarian intolerant mindset as the neo-Nazi groups. It is a very slippery road when one starts justifying violence and intolerance against free speech that represents no practical threat.
#148
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Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 605
Re: USA refugees Huh?
For those of you that support "Antifa" I suggest you read about the Nazi brownshirts and see the frightening similarities on how they operate and intimidate.
#149
Re: USA refugees Huh?
What have you been reading?
#150
Re: USA refugees Huh?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...matter/538320/
TLR Attacking Nazis is not as bad as being one.