BristolUK

Really? I assume you disagree with ISIS. Would you tolerate them?

dbd33

Eh? Sheriff Joe was pardoned to show solidarity with them, that's power.

Tirytory

As the quote goes ... "all that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" the KKK do not deserve tolerance, and to allow them to have a voice and not call it out for what it is, is to sit back and do nothing.

Shard

It's not about only showing tolerance to groups you agree with, but to groups who are themselves tolerant. The inherent principle of tolerance is undermined if it is to excuse a group acting with intolerance.

Shard

A very good point !

magnumpi

It appears we have a group of people on this forum who believe that breaking the law and entering Canada illegally is actually a good thing, they are The same people who are ridiculing and disagreeing with the other percentage of posters who believe that entering Canada the legal route and utilising a well planned and Gov approved visas is not the best way for some to enter the country

What an odd group we are .

Shard

In an ideal world everyone would enter the legal route, paperwork in order. However, the world is far from ideal, and there is an argument to be made for some leniency towards some individuals in desperate circumstances.

dbd33

I take a more nuanced view. While Canada is obliged to throw out anyone who is not ultimately judged to be a refugee, I don't blame the individuals for having a go. We're surrounded by undocumented aliens, they're some of the best contributors to society due to needing to work quietly and to commit no crimes, they don't bother me. When the bartender fell down the stairs and, of course, had no OHIP, I chipped in, that's just one of those everyday things. Improper entry to the country is a crime I equate on a moral plain with speeding, people who are caught should face the penalty, the fine or eviction, but my personal sympathy is with the person who got caught.

The reason for ridiculing the trio is not that they're sticklers for procedure but that their cumulative posts suggest a pattern of racism and religionism though I wouldn't go so as to equate carcajou with the likes of John Terry or David Duke.

Tirytory

If everyone was born equal, and with equal access to a life free of war, famine, bad health, and an opportunity for an education then indeed the above would be the correct way of doing it. It is deliberately obtuse to not recognize that for some people doing things the correct legal way is not an option. Yours and the other posters privilege is a showing..

magnumpi

So it looks like Haiti is far from recovery even after 5 years, so why the threat of not renewing visas in the states, ? It seems that the cause of this north bound exodus is not being addressed!!

https://travel.state.gov/content/pas...l-warning.html

BristolUK

No...an understandable thing for some in some situations. To repeat what Oakvillian said
So, Maggers, what would you do to protect your family in this situation?

BristolUK

magnumpi

It's not about what I would do it's about how this Canadian Gov is handling this situation.
If there is such issues in Haiti still then why don't Canada take in the fleeing Haitians at the provided border and support their cause legally? That way any non Haitians trying to sneek in would think twice.

Laws and rules can be changed to accommodate in an emergency I am guessing

paw339

I read an interesting article the other day (sorry no link) lamenting how resilient Presidents Trump's support has been considering how awful/useless etc he has been (author didn't like him) . One of the biggest reasons he gave was pushback because of false accusations of racism and bigotry against people just because they didn't like illegal immigration and even immigration in general. The author gave many examples of why someone wouldn't like immigration without being racist (eg labour supply-wages) even though he was pro immigration himself. He also referenced surveys which showed immigrants in general had similar concerns over immigration levels and illegal immigration compared to native born after a few years and they weren't being accused of being racist.

paw339

Lets not forget the Canadian government ended the special status for Haitians before the US and the majority of Haitians have their asylum claims turned down by Canada and are being deported.