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UK General Election
Nov 8th 2019, 4:25 pm
#151
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Re: UK General Election
On the BBC News this evening, there is a focus on the severe flooding in the Doncaster area due to torrential rain over a swathe of the UK over the last 24 hours.
Quote from a resident "I am sure that the local authority could have done more to prevent this".
So, there's your average voter.
Quote from a resident "I am sure that the local authority could have done more to prevent this".
So, there's your average voter.
Nov 8th 2019, 4:41 pm
#152
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Re: UK General Election
I'm hoping that the interviewee was referring to flood defences rather than the amount of rain.
On this assumption (I know, dodgy ground, but...) said interviewee blamed the local authority, not the government.
Who's in the barrel here, local authority or Westminster aka (ahem) Central Services.
Did said interviewee vote for a local MP or whomever they wished to see featured regularly on BBC News channel?
Edit: Knew I'd missed something...
Would it have mattered a jot in terms of flood defences anyway? Is the interviewee/voter looking for "the moon on a stick"?
Last edited by BuckinghamshireBoy; Nov 8th 2019 at 4:46 pm.
Nov 8th 2019, 5:04 pm
#153
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Re: UK General Election
If the local authority are the ones paying for those extra defences, where do they find the money? Increased rents and taxes, or cutting already bare public services? If not them, who?
Nov 8th 2019, 5:15 pm
#154
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Re: UK General Election
Understand your point, and continuing with the devil's advocate theme (she was a he, by the way)
I'm hoping that the interviewee was referring to flood defences rather than the amount of rain.
On this assumption (I know, dodgy ground, but...) said interviewee blamed the local authority, not the government.
Who's in the barrel here, local authority or Westminster aka (ahem) Central Services.
Did said interviewee vote for a local MP or whomever they wished to see featured regularly on BBC News channel?
Edit: Knew I'd missed something...
Would it have mattered a jot in terms of flood defences anyway? Is the interviewee/voter looking for "the moon on a stick"?
I'm hoping that the interviewee was referring to flood defences rather than the amount of rain.
On this assumption (I know, dodgy ground, but...) said interviewee blamed the local authority, not the government.
Who's in the barrel here, local authority or Westminster aka (ahem) Central Services.
Did said interviewee vote for a local MP or whomever they wished to see featured regularly on BBC News channel?
Edit: Knew I'd missed something...
Would it have mattered a jot in terms of flood defences anyway? Is the interviewee/voter looking for "the moon on a stick"?
Nov 8th 2019, 5:41 pm
#155
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Re: UK General Election
Imagine you're an engineer. Man comes along and says 'Design me some flood defenses'.
Engineer says, 'Tell me how much rain's going to fall?'
Man, who's an ignorant politician, says 'Search me, how would I know, how much's it going to cost?'
Engineer says 'The more rain, the more it'll cost, tell me how much rain's going to fall'
Man says 'Bugger, don't have much money, make it look good but cheap'
Engineer shrugs and makes it cheap.
Heavens open and flood defenses fail.
Man says 'Your fault! What went wrong?'
Engineer shrugs and explains no cash, no spec is what went wrong.
Man says not my fault, blames engineer and elected MP.
Engineer says, 'Tell me how much rain's going to fall?'
Man, who's an ignorant politician, says 'Search me, how would I know, how much's it going to cost?'
Engineer says 'The more rain, the more it'll cost, tell me how much rain's going to fall'
Man says 'Bugger, don't have much money, make it look good but cheap'
Engineer shrugs and makes it cheap.
Heavens open and flood defenses fail.
Man says 'Your fault! What went wrong?'
Engineer shrugs and explains no cash, no spec is what went wrong.
Man says not my fault, blames engineer and elected MP.
Nov 8th 2019, 5:54 pm
#156
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Nov 8th 2019, 8:41 pm
#157
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Re: UK General Election
As for those seemingly in favour of P R...Italy and Israel have not exactly thrived on it.....
Nov 8th 2019, 10:10 pm
#158
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Re: UK General Election
The house I lived in in Lincolnshire is in an area deemed to be in severe danger of being flooded now. When I lived there we had one flood, no water ingress as such but it did come up through the floor, doors were sandbagged. There was a public meeting about 4 months later to discuss the flooding and one person there, who had been around the previous time it flooded had a copy of that flood report and the recommendations as to what to do. NONE OF IT HAD BEEN IMPLEMENTED. In fact it had been made worse because the local council was refusing to pay farmers to have their fields used as fllod areas whhere they would get flooded and stop hpusing being effected. the local environmental people had no answer and were somewhat peeved he was there and knew the history. They said it was a once in 50 years event, the previous on had been 15 years earlier, now it looks like it's happening around 19 years after that one. I bet NOTHING has been done. Can't say it was because of new building on a flood plain as my house was over 100 years old.
Nov 9th 2019, 12:47 am
#159
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Re: UK General Election
Of course nothing had been done, it was a rare event. Those in charge of the budget will have known that they'd have moved on to greater things when it happened again leaving their uselessness behind them.
The only way it'll improve is where a council official is personally affected by the event.
Close to where I lived last in the UK was a busy side road. A councilor lived in this road. Was I surprised when it was blocked to prevent through use? Not at all.
The only way it'll improve is where a council official is personally affected by the event.
Close to where I lived last in the UK was a busy side road. A councilor lived in this road. Was I surprised when it was blocked to prevent through use? Not at all.
Nov 9th 2019, 3:45 pm
#160
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Re: UK General Election
I couldn't disagree more. The past couple of years have been an absolute triumph for parliamentary democracy... in other words, "taking back control". It proves that 650 MPs cannot simply be whipped into accepting whatever the government wishes. This is because the MPs are voting for the best interests of ALL their constituents. Not just the ones who voted for them. Sometimes even against the ones who voted for them, but always with a view to what is in all of their best interests.
If you want to live in a country where the Party or Government wishes are absolute and sacrosanct, I suggest you try North Korea...
If you want to live in a country where the Party or Government wishes are absolute and sacrosanct, I suggest you try North Korea...
Nov 9th 2019, 6:24 pm
#161
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Re: UK General Election
Is this a good list of such people?
1. Ken Clarke
2 Sir Oliver Letwin
3 Justine Greening
4 Rory Stewart
5 Amber Rudd
6 Guto Bebb
7 Nicky Morgan
8 Claire Perry
9 Sir Nicholas Soames
10 Alistair Burt
11 Richard Harrington
12 Richard Benyon
13 Sir David Lidington
14 Sir Patrick McLoughlin
15 Dame Caroline Spelman
16 Jo Johnson
17 Jeremy Lefroy (Stafford)
18 Glyn Davies (Montgomeryshire)
19 Keith Simpson (Broadland)
20 Nick Hurd (Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner)
21 Mark Prisk (Hertford and Stortford)
22 Bill Grant (Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock)
23 Sir Hugo Swire (East Devon)
24 David Tredinnick (Bosworth)
25 Mark Field (Cities of London and Westminster)
26 Seema Kennedy (South Ribble)
27 Sarah Newton (Truro and Falmouth)
28 Mims Davies (Eastleigh)
29 Sir Alan Duncan (Melton and Rutland)
30 Peter Heaton-Jones (North Devon)
31 Margot James (Stourbridge)
32 Mark Lancaster (Milton Keynes North)
33 Ross Thomson (Aberdeen South)
34 Sir Henry Bellingham (North West Norfolk)
35 Nick Herbert (Arundel & South Downs)
36 Ed Vaizey (Wantage and Didcot)
1. Ken Clarke
2 Sir Oliver Letwin
3 Justine Greening
4 Rory Stewart
5 Amber Rudd
6 Guto Bebb
7 Nicky Morgan
8 Claire Perry
9 Sir Nicholas Soames
10 Alistair Burt
11 Richard Harrington
12 Richard Benyon
13 Sir David Lidington
14 Sir Patrick McLoughlin
15 Dame Caroline Spelman
16 Jo Johnson
17 Jeremy Lefroy (Stafford)
18 Glyn Davies (Montgomeryshire)
19 Keith Simpson (Broadland)
20 Nick Hurd (Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner)
21 Mark Prisk (Hertford and Stortford)
22 Bill Grant (Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock)
23 Sir Hugo Swire (East Devon)
24 David Tredinnick (Bosworth)
25 Mark Field (Cities of London and Westminster)
26 Seema Kennedy (South Ribble)
27 Sarah Newton (Truro and Falmouth)
28 Mims Davies (Eastleigh)
29 Sir Alan Duncan (Melton and Rutland)
30 Peter Heaton-Jones (North Devon)
31 Margot James (Stourbridge)
32 Mark Lancaster (Milton Keynes North)
33 Ross Thomson (Aberdeen South)
34 Sir Henry Bellingham (North West Norfolk)
35 Nick Herbert (Arundel & South Downs)
36 Ed Vaizey (Wantage and Didcot)
Nov 10th 2019, 2:56 pm
#163
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Nov 10th 2019, 4:06 pm
#164
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Re: UK General Election
The vast majority of MPs have simply voted according to party orders whether conservative, labour SNP, DUP,liberal, green whatever. A small number of conservative MPs and smaller number of labour MPs have voted against party orders. MPs do have their careers to consider so voting according to party orders is understandable.
Nov 10th 2019, 4:45 pm
#165
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Re: UK General Election
