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UK General Election
Nov 1st 2019, 4:10 pm
#61
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Re: UK General Election
Imagine that old chestnut. There's a parliamentary group assembled to design the camel.
Q. How many humps do you think it'd have? Two, three, a hundred?
A. Wrong. It wouldn't have any because the poor animal would never have seen the light of day.
This election, for good or ill, should settle at least one argument, who'll be buying the drinks on the 13th but other than that Brexit'll still be a work in progress.
This boil will keep popping up for years yet to come. All possible ills will be blamed on Brexit whether the UK leaves or not. It'll be the ultimate excuse, no doubt something already forming the basis for party thinking. But benefits? Oh, they'll result from government policies.
Q. How many humps do you think it'd have? Two, three, a hundred?
A. Wrong. It wouldn't have any because the poor animal would never have seen the light of day.
This election, for good or ill, should settle at least one argument, who'll be buying the drinks on the 13th but other than that Brexit'll still be a work in progress.
This boil will keep popping up for years yet to come. All possible ills will be blamed on Brexit whether the UK leaves or not. It'll be the ultimate excuse, no doubt something already forming the basis for party thinking. But benefits? Oh, they'll result from government policies.
Nov 1st 2019, 4:12 pm
#62
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Re: UK General Election
Nobody... irrespective of what you think about Brexit, not one of that shower in parliament deserves a vote. Pick your poison... the Brexiteers have become unhinged and the remainers would hardly fill you with confidence that they have any solutions to what to do with the fact the vote went for Brexit.
It was an advisory referendum and what they should have seen the sense to do, all of them, was find a mechanism to have a conversation with the country to find out why the brexit vote and proceed from there.
It was an advisory referendum and what they should have seen the sense to do, all of them, was find a mechanism to have a conversation with the country to find out why the brexit vote and proceed from there.
Nov 2nd 2019, 12:29 am
#63
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Re: UK General Election
Interesting to compare.
Nov 2nd 2019, 10:05 pm
#64
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Re: UK General Election
Johnson ‘knew about Vote Leave’s illegal overspend’, says MP
Par for the course.
Boris Johnson knew of Vote Leave’s overspend during the 2016 EU referendum, but appears to have failed to tell the authorities, according to explosive new claims from a senior MP. The payment was subsequently ruled to be illegal. Ian Lucas revealed that he has seen correspondence obtained during the parliamentary inquiry into disinformation and democracy which showed that Johnson’s most senior aide, Dominic Cummings, told the Electoral Commission that the prime minister, and his cabinet colleague Michael Gove, knew of the overspend by the pro-Brexit organisation. The Electoral Commission last year judged that Vote Leave had broken electoral law by overspending during the EU referendum, after the campaign funnelled £675,000 through another pro-Brexit group, BeLeave, to avoid spending limits.
Nov 2nd 2019, 11:49 pm
#65
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Re: UK General Election
Johnson and Cummings under fire as police hand criminal evidence on Vote Leave to prosecution agency
Evidence that could lead to criminal charges against the pro-Brexit campaign led by Boris Johnson and his key adviser, Dominic Cummings, has now been passed by police to the criminal prosecution authorities, openDemocracy has learned.
Nov 3rd 2019, 12:00 am
#66
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Re: UK General Election
It's an interesting observation that although this election will almost certainly be characterised as a second referendum, or people's vote as some would describe it, the major initial arguments seem to be centered around the personalities and histories of the main protagonists.
Corbyn has always struck me as a dour politician, one who never smiles and one who sends people to sleep the moment he opens his mouth.
Johnson may have been an untrustworthy journalist and likewise a roguish politician but like it or not he has a stronger personal impact and I suspect that many will excuse this because he's identified as Mr Leave and they really couldn't care.
Both of these are impacted by their own nemeses.
Labour has the Lib Dems. Their unequivocal stand as the Pro Remain party will suck support from the dithering Labour stand and the Tories have the Brexit party whose no-deal policy has a certain attraction to many otherwise Tory supporters.
No doubt every man and his dog will be examining poll and canvas results in an attempt to square the circle but I think this is one of those rare elections that'll go to the wire and many voters will only make up their minds in the voting booth. It'll be a problem for those supporters who'll be running around getting the vote out because they won't be sure if they're working for the other side.
I'll not be voting but it'll be a really interesting night as the results come in and fortunately the time delay means that I'll be able to see this at a reasonable time of day.
Corbyn has always struck me as a dour politician, one who never smiles and one who sends people to sleep the moment he opens his mouth.
Johnson may have been an untrustworthy journalist and likewise a roguish politician but like it or not he has a stronger personal impact and I suspect that many will excuse this because he's identified as Mr Leave and they really couldn't care.
Both of these are impacted by their own nemeses.
Labour has the Lib Dems. Their unequivocal stand as the Pro Remain party will suck support from the dithering Labour stand and the Tories have the Brexit party whose no-deal policy has a certain attraction to many otherwise Tory supporters.
No doubt every man and his dog will be examining poll and canvas results in an attempt to square the circle but I think this is one of those rare elections that'll go to the wire and many voters will only make up their minds in the voting booth. It'll be a problem for those supporters who'll be running around getting the vote out because they won't be sure if they're working for the other side.
I'll not be voting but it'll be a really interesting night as the results come in and fortunately the time delay means that I'll be able to see this at a reasonable time of day.
Nov 3rd 2019, 1:38 am
#67
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Re: UK General Election
Lib Dem?....wasted vote..Unless your a remainer.....just an opinion....
Nov 3rd 2019, 9:20 am
#68
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Re: UK General Election
So, 17 votes for thee Tories, thats adding the Tories and Lib-Dems together as the Lib-Dems are Torylite in fact, just yellow Tories. You will note that the 'revoke article 50' seems to have disappeared from their speeches, and they support all the austerity programmes that have made The UK the mess it currently is. I see Farage has decided to cut his losses and NOT stand in the election, doesn't want defeat No 8. In fact I sure he really want the UK t stay in the EU, it would ensure he kept receiving his salary from them, and guarantee lots more paid attendances on the BBC QT panel.
Nov 3rd 2019, 10:31 am
#69
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Re: UK General Election
So, 17 votes for thee Tories, thats adding the Tories and Lib-Dems together as the Lib-Dems are Torylite in fact, just yellow Tories. You will note that the 'revoke article 50' seems to have disappeared from their speeches, and they support all the austerity programmes that have made The UK the mess it currently is. I see Farage has decided to cut his losses and NOT stand in the election, doesn't want defeat No 8. In fact I sure he really want the UK t stay in the EU, it would ensure he kept receiving his salary from them, and guarantee lots more paid attendances on the BBC QT panel.
Nov 5th 2019, 7:39 pm
#73
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Re: UK General Election
I think that's overgeneralising the situation.
There are some really good MPs, from most of the main parties. The biggest problem with Brexit is that the government and the media won't tell the public how bad Brexit is likely to be, nor has any party publicly been willing to stand up and tell the public the benefits of our EU membership.. But doing either of the above will be a sure Leave-vote loser, so I can see why.
That's what should have been done, but Cameron promised/pledged/lied (these things aren't always written on the side of a bus) that the referendum result would be enacted.when he had no legal authority to do so. And now we have a PM who's lied about the EU for most of his careers as a journalist and politician, and whose default position when a father asks him a question during a hospital visit is to lie.
The Tories have been the cause of most of the UK's ills, though looser banking regulations under Blair's Labour (and supported by Tories) began the major problems. And Blair Labour's failure to implement free movèment controls for A8 nationals was a big mistake in hindsight, but had the projected number been correct (aka had more EU member states done the same as the UK did), they would have been more managable.
The current Labour Party isn't as Tory blue as it was in Blairs time (other than a vocal minority), neither is it as res as 70s and 80s Labour.
There are some really good MPs, from most of the main parties. The biggest problem with Brexit is that the government and the media won't tell the public how bad Brexit is likely to be, nor has any party publicly been willing to stand up and tell the public the benefits of our EU membership.. But doing either of the above will be a sure Leave-vote loser, so I can see why.
That's what should have been done, but Cameron promised/pledged/lied (these things aren't always written on the side of a bus) that the referendum result would be enacted.when he had no legal authority to do so. And now we have a PM who's lied about the EU for most of his careers as a journalist and politician, and whose default position when a father asks him a question during a hospital visit is to lie.
The Tories have been the cause of most of the UK's ills, though looser banking regulations under Blair's Labour (and supported by Tories) began the major problems. And Blair Labour's failure to implement free movèment controls for A8 nationals was a big mistake in hindsight, but had the projected number been correct (aka had more EU member states done the same as the UK did), they would have been more managable.
The current Labour Party isn't as Tory blue as it was in Blairs time (other than a vocal minority), neither is it as res as 70s and 80s Labour.
I would politically tend towards conservatism, of the more traditional kind, but I am glad that Corbyn is there to present a different picture as, you are right, Blair was a tory-lite.
I have no answers myself, but I am simply unconvinced anyone in parliament does or, if they do, do they have the courage to come out with it.
Nov 6th 2019, 9:36 am
#75
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Re: UK General Election
We can but hope.....