UK election June 8

Old Apr 24th 2017, 11:45 am
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Originally Posted by stevenglish1
...Merkel and the EU, they want rid of Britain now, they were excluding them from meetings soon after the referendum...
Seems a reasonable course of action if someone doesn't want to be part of your organisation.

Pack up your desk and security will escort you and your box from the building.
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
Seems a reasonable course of action if someone doesn't want to be part of your organisation.

Pack up your desk and security will escort you and your box from the building.
How do you reconcile that statement with "soft brexit?"
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Old Apr 24th 2017, 4:15 pm
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How do you reconcile that statement with "soft brexit?"
I don't.

I'm just commenting on the reasonableness of not wanting anything to do with someone who doesn't want anything to do with you.
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Originally Posted by stevenglish1
Listen to what Blair says, then do the opposite. There's no going back on Brexit now, not without some gargantuan snivelling, and doing exactly what Merkel says when she says it. Get over it Tony it happened, I'm sure your fortune will survive.
Incorrect. Brexit means jack shit except notifying an intention at this stage.

There's every possibility to go back on it, after all it is such a sh1t idea.

Don't roll over or jump off the cliff like a prize lemming, it's far from over yet.
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Old Apr 24th 2017, 6:51 pm
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Originally Posted by LouisB
Incorrect. Brexit means jack shit except notifying an intention at this stage.
You have to remember that we aren't dealing with logical people here.

On the one hand we have May et al who have committed themselves politically to ensuring that Brexit happens and, election permittiing, will ensure that it happens. They will do this, not because it's a reasonable or logical thing to do, but because their personal standing is inextricably linked to it's completion.

On the other hand we have EU bureaucrats and politicians who feel personally aggrieved and dare not permit a soft brexit. They will act, like May et al, unreasonably and illogically because they're continually looking over their shoulders at others waiting to stab them in the back if they do otherwise and noone wants to be blamed for making it too easy to leave.

It's like a pub brawl, where next morning they will ask themselves, 'Why did we behave like that?'. They shake their heads and fight again the next night because that's what they do.
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Originally Posted by LouisB
Incorrect. Brexit means jack shit except notifying an intention at this stage.

There's every possibility to go back on it, after all it is such a sh1t idea.

Don't roll over or jump off the cliff like a prize lemming, it's far from over yet.
I don't see that happening. Too much momentum on Brexit, there's been minimal pushback from the Remain politicians over the past nine months (save for the Lib Dems, who unfortunately are seen as irrelevant). Every politician's statement has been prefaced by a "of course we're leaving" or "the will of the people" which is understandable by Brexiteers, but not be the supposed 78% that were Remain. So most people are resigned to it. At the end of the, the public are lemmings.
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...there's been minimal pushback from the Remain politicians over the past nine months (save for the Lib Dems, who unfortunately are seen as irrelevant).
Ah yes, the enablers of the Cameron years. Is collaborators too strong a word?
Every politician's statement has been prefaced by a "of course we're leaving" or "the will of the people"....the public are lemmings.
Well documented interference, the big lie among many, overspending by one side...in other walks of life that might be enough to invalidate something. False pretenses, misdirection, and all that.
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Ah yes, the enablers of the Cameron years. Is collaborators too strong a word?
In retrospect I think they held the tories in check to a greater extent than they are given credit. Especially the authoritarian crap that May wanted to push through (and is now doing).

Still, it was only ever going to end badly for the lib dems; people think they collaborated and didn't vote for them or they got in the way and didn't vote for them.
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Originally Posted by LouisB
Incorrect. Brexit means jack shit except notifying an intention at this stage.

There's every possibility to go back on it, after all it is such a sh1t idea.

Don't roll over or jump off the cliff like a prize lemming, it's far from over yet.
It's all over bar the shouting, sorry negotiating. To believe anything else is unrealistic. To me, to not respect the will of the majority would be suicidal for the UK.

Edit: If my wife, (UK) came to me (EU) and said look me and the kids aint happy, we feel you're being an arse and we're on the brink of leaving. I (Reasonable EU) would say, Christ, I had no idea I was making you feel like that, give us another chance and we can compromise, or I (unreasonable EU) could say, well best you piss off then, I'll help you pack, how dare you criticize me. The EU has been unreasonable since before the referendum, and are behaving like someone who can't take criticism.

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Old Apr 25th 2017, 1:08 am
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Originally Posted by stevenglish1
Edit: If my wife, (UK) came to me (EU) and said look me and the kids aint happy, we feel you're being an arse and we're on the brink of leaving. I (Reasonable EU) would say, Christ, I had no idea I was making you feel like that, give us another chance and we can compromise, or I (unreasonable EU) could say, well best you piss off then, I'll help you pack, how dare you criticize me. The EU has been unreasonable since before the referendum, and are behaving like someone who can't take criticism.
An interesting analogy. It might even be a fair one were only two parties involved and not talking to each other rather than the 28 who are constantly debating, discussing anything and everything as well as making collective decisions based on all that active participation.
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
An interesting analogy. It might even be a fair one were only two parties involved and not talking to each other rather than the 28 who are constantly debating, discussing anything and everything as well as making collective decisions based on all that active participation.
Interestingly, Macron said in an informal interview last month that were UK to leave, there would need to be some sort of deleterious effect (actually he used the word punishment) and gave the example of excluding the UK from the single market. It makes me wonder if May has taken such hard-line anti single market stance to avoid looking bad when the French shut us out?
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
An interesting analogy. It might even be a fair one were only two parties involved and not talking to each other rather than the 28 who are constantly debating, discussing anything and everything as well as making collective decisions based on all that active participation.
The UK and the EU, there will be 2 parties at the negotiating table with 2 points of view.

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It makes me wonder if May has taken such hard-line anti single market stance to avoid looking bad when the French shut us out?
I think this is absolutely right. The UK had a target on its back for even calling a referendum in the first place. There's no going back now without massive repercussions., bothe from Europe and Brexit voters.
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Old Apr 25th 2017, 11:29 am
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Originally Posted by stevenglish1
The UK and the EU, there will be 2 parties at the negotiating table with 2 points of view.
The key part is will be. As in not happened yet whereas your analogy originally was about something that already happened with wife/UK having told you/Europe they were thinking of leaving (as opposed to already having started divorce proceedings) and you/Europe not realising she/UK felt that way (because you'd not been communicating) and that now you know, you want another chance to make it right.
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
The key part is will be. As in not happened yet whereas your analogy originally was about something that already happened with wife/UK having told you/Europe they were thinking of leaving (as opposed to already having started divorce proceedings) and you/Europe not realising she/UK felt that way (because you'd not been communicating) and that now you know, you want another chance to make it right.
You do have a point, but for the most part we're not seeing individual attitudes towards Brexit, and I don't recall anyone saying please don't go. Anyhow, she's never fully trusted me, didn't even want a joint back account in 92
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Originally Posted by stevenglish1
Anyhow, she's never fully trusted me, didn't even want a joint back account in 92
.. And now she's suing for all that alimony I'm supposed to have promised in that prenup.. well she can sing for that.. I'm spending it all on a round the world trip to find new friends.

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