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Old Jan 7th 2022, 7:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian View Post
I would think that, if overthrowing the government was the objective, in the land that lots of people have military grade firearms, those would have been used.
Well, we know where you stand. https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/97787...-say-they-used
Some supporters of former President Donald Trump have argued that the dangerousness of the Capitol rioters has been overblown. Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., has said, for example, "This didn't seem like an armed insurrection to me."

Others have echoed that view, and conservative and pro-Trump media, like Breitbart, The Epoch Times and the Washington Examiner
Ron Johnson - pushes conspiracy theories
Breitbart - much of its content has been called misogynistic, xenophobic, and racist by liberals and traditional conservatives alike. The site has published a number of conspiracy theories
The Epoch Times - The Epoch Media Group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccine misinformation
The Washington Examiner - conspiracy theory pusher, climate change deniers.

I know this won't bother you but it might help others pick out reasonable positions to take in these matters.
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I don't know what you mean by "how many injuries would be appropriate?" I don't recall stating that any injuries would have been "appropriate."

I would think that, if overthrowing the government was the objective, in the land that lots of people have military grade firearms, those would have been used.

I wouldn't describe it as an attempt to overthrow a government but I accept that others may wish to.
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"One would have thought that, if "overthrowing the government" was really the intent, far more people would have been injured and those intending such actions would have gone with far more serious weapons."
So in that sentence you said far more people would have been injured so you must have looked at how many were injured and decided that wasn't a sufficient amount, to decide this you must have had an idea of the appropriate amount of injuries.

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Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd View Post
Isn't that what happens in riots of any kind? a bunch of unsavoury society drop outs that have no respect and consideration for property or the law colaborate and do whatever the hell they want?
It usually results in injury and or death.....nothing good ever comes out of any riot, this one was no different from any other in the past.
It was more than a riot though. It was an attempt to take political control by force, and that's unprecedented in the USA. I understand your comment on CNN "milking it" but by the same token Fox is whipping up outrage and lies by promoting the "steal" agenda. American politics is so dirty post-Obama, it really is a shame.
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"One would have thought that, if "overthrowing the government" was really the intent, far more people would have been injured and those intending such actions would have gone with far more serious weapons."
So in that sentence you said far more people would have been injured so you must have looked at how many were injured and decided that wasn't a sufficient amount, to decide this you must have had an idea of the appropriate amount of injuries.
Well, I am not an expert on overthrowing governments but, if one's intent was to overthrow the US government, I would have been expecting to hear about far more injuries than have been posted above as evidence of such a course of action/intent.
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Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd View Post
For a start they are not "my" bunch of yahoos... these are extremists like all rioters are, and I am not trivialising it, there have been an endless list of riots over the years but I do agree this particular event would have been seen as unusual in the more normal times of the past, but not anymore, it occurs to me that this is the new state if society, extremism and division are the new norm, each side's ideology feeds the opposing side of the political spectrum, as a result and fueled by the media (which I have commented on before) this extremism and division grow more every day.

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Well, I am not an expert on overthrowing governments but, if one's intent was to overthrow the US government, I would have been expecting to hear about far more injuries than have been posted above as evidence of such a course of action/intent.
I think the objective is not to overthrow the government by force but by stealth and the force is incidental. The evil figures in the US, Hawley, Cruz, Gym Jordan, Perry, Gaetz, Graham, etc. intend to rig future elections by gerrymandering and by taking control of the electoral bodies. Trying to stop the inauguration (by having a mob murder the vice-president) was a sideshow, an opportunity that developed with minimal planning. They're not organizing and armed overthrow because that would spark a reaction problematic to them; provoking and exploiting a mob at arm's length is less obvious to the public at large, especially when a compliant news network is direct engaged (see text messages to/from Hannity).
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I think the objective is not to overthrow the government by force but by stealth and the force is incidental. The evil figures in the US, Hawley, Cruz, Gym Jordan, Perry, Gaetz, Graham, etc. intend to rig future elections by gerrymandering and by taking control of the electoral bodies. Trying to stop the inauguration (by having a mob murder the vice-president) was a sideshow, an opportunity that developed with minimal planning. They're not organizing and armed overthrow because that would spark a reaction problematic to them; provoking and exploiting a mob at arm's length is less obvious to the public at large, especially when a compliant news network is direct engaged (see text messages to/from Hannity).
Possibly. It will be interesting to see if the investigation turns up anything concrete in support of such an opinion or if if turns into as much of a damp squib as the previous investigation into Trump's alleged conduct did.
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Well, I am not an expert on overthrowing governments but, if one's intent was to overthrow the US government, I would have been expecting to hear about far more injuries than have been posted above as evidence of such a course of action/intent.
You've replied by rephrasing your original comment so I'll ask the same question. You'd "expect far more injuries", what's your cut off amount for a sufficient amount of injuries?
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I don't think we need to hear from the investigation
As there have been dozens of court cases already. A number of those convicted have said that they were there at the behest of Trump (those involved thought Trump wanted them to do this, the investigation might tell us if that was Trump's intent) to get the election results over turned.
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Takeaway: the solution to helping those captured by the cult is empathy.
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You've replied by rephrasing your original comment so I'll ask the same question. You'd "expect far more injuries", what's your cut off amount for a sufficient amount of injuries?
"Sufficient amount of injuries for what?" Where have I ever stated that there would be a "sufficient amount of injuries"?
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Can I recommend Gabriel Gatehouses excellent (& disturbing) podcast "The Coming Storm"? https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001324r

Traces the intersection between batshit crazy conspiracy theories & right wing groups success in weaponising them. The truth isn't important, its our version of it that is. Compelling stuff.
That the Q-anon and Evangelical nutjobs think that Trump is their saviour, still staggers me but there you go, that's Americans (or 50% of them) for you.
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I think the objective is not to overthrow the government by force but by stealth and the force is incidental. The evil figures in the US, Hawley, Cruz, Gym Jordan, Perry, Gaetz, Graham, etc. intend to rig future elections by gerrymandering and by taking control of the electoral bodies. Trying to stop the inauguration (by having a mob murder the vice-president) was a sideshow, an opportunity that developed with minimal planning. They're not organizing and armed overthrow because that would spark a reaction problematic to them; provoking and exploiting a mob at arm's length is less obvious to the public at large, especially when a compliant news network is direct engaged (see text messages to/from Hannity).
It is the drive by the Trumpian right to take over the mechanics of government - from school boards, to state electoral commissions etc that is more of threat than armed insurrection IMHO.
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"Sufficient amount of injuries for what?" Where have I ever stated that there would be a "sufficient amount of injuries"?
How typical.
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"One would have thought that, if "overthrowing the government" was really the intent, far more people would have been injured and those intending such actions would have gone with far more serious weapons."
So in that sentence you said far more people would have been injured so you must have looked at how many were injured and decided that wasn't a sufficient amount, to decide this you must have had an idea of the appropriate amount of injuries.
So, for clarity, if there weren't enough people injured or killed for the intent of overthrowing, how many would have been enough?

I mean you're not that stupid or is it that you expect others to be stupid? If you believe a number is not high enough for something you must believe a number that would be high enough. It needn't be specific, just an approximation.
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The October Revolution in Russia overthrew the Kerensky government, by storming the Winter palace, on November 7th. To the best of my recollection, no one was killed during this event.
​​​​Probably the most famous revolution in history had a zero death count on it comparable day to Jan 6th.

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