BristolUK

Well, we know where you stand. https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/97787...-say-they-used Ron Johnson - pushes conspiracy theories
Breitbart - much of its content has been called misogynistic, xenophobic, and racist by liberals and traditional conservatives alike. The site has published a number of conspiracy theories
The Epoch Times - The Epoch Media Group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccine misinformation
The Washington Examiner - conspiracy theory pusher, climate change deniers.

I know this won't bother you but it might help others pick out reasonable positions to take in these matters.

bats

to quote you
"One would have thought that, if "overthrowing the government" was really the intent, far more people would have been injured and those intending such actions would have gone with far more serious weapons."
So in that sentence you said far more people would have been injured so you must have looked at how many were injured and decided that wasn't a sufficient amount, to decide this you must have had an idea of the appropriate amount of injuries.

Shard

It was more than a riot though. It was an attempt to take political control by force, and that's unprecedented in the USA. I understand your comment on CNN "milking it" but by the same token Fox is whipping up outrage and lies by promoting the "steal" agenda. American politics is so dirty post-Obama, it really is a shame.

Almost Canadian

Well, I am not an expert on overthrowing governments but, if one's intent was to overthrow the US government, I would have been expecting to hear about far more injuries than have been posted above as evidence of such a course of action/intent.

dbd33

On the media's absurd deference to the right:

dbd33

I think the objective is not to overthrow the government by force but by stealth and the force is incidental. The evil figures in the US, Hawley, Cruz, Gym Jordan, Perry, Gaetz, Graham, etc. intend to rig future elections by gerrymandering and by taking control of the electoral bodies. Trying to stop the inauguration (by having a mob murder the vice-president) was a sideshow, an opportunity that developed with minimal planning. They're not organizing and armed overthrow because that would spark a reaction problematic to them; provoking and exploiting a mob at arm's length is less obvious to the public at large, especially when a compliant news network is direct engaged (see text messages to/from Hannity).

Almost Canadian

Possibly. It will be interesting to see if the investigation turns up anything concrete in support of such an opinion or if if turns into as much of a damp squib as the previous investigation into Trump's alleged conduct did.

bats

You've replied by rephrasing your original comment so I'll ask the same question. You'd "expect far more injuries", what's your cut off amount for a sufficient amount of injuries?

kimilseung

I don't think we need to hear from the investigation
As there have been dozens of court cases already. A number of those convicted have said that they were there at the behest of Trump (those involved thought Trump wanted them to do this, the investigation might tell us if that was Trump's intent) to get the election results over turned.

Shard

Takeaway: the solution to helping those captured by the cult is empathy.

Almost Canadian

"Sufficient amount of injuries for what?" Where have I ever stated that there would be a "sufficient amount of injuries"?

Atlantic Xpat

Can I recommend Gabriel Gatehouses excellent (& disturbing) podcast "The Coming Storm"? https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001324r

Traces the intersection between batshit crazy conspiracy theories & right wing groups success in weaponising them. The truth isn't important, its our version of it that is. Compelling stuff.
That the Q-anon and Evangelical nutjobs think that Trump is their saviour, still staggers me but there you go, that's Americans (or 50% of them) for you.

Atlantic Xpat

It is the drive by the Trumpian right to take over the mechanics of government - from school boards, to state electoral commissions etc that is more of threat than armed insurrection IMHO.

BristolUK

How typical.
I shall re-quote Bats
So, for clarity, if there weren't enough people injured or killed for the intent of overthrowing, how many would have been enough?

I mean you're not that stupid or is it that you expect others to be stupid? If you believe a number is not high enough for something you must believe a number that would be high enough. It needn't be specific, just an approximation.

kimilseung

The October Revolution in Russia overthrew the Kerensky government, by storming the Winter palace, on November 7th. To the best of my recollection, no one was killed during this event.
​​​​Probably the most famous revolution in history had a zero death count on it comparable day to Jan 6th.