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Shard Oct 17th 2019 12:25 am
Re: Trudeau
 
Not very convincing, I'm afraid.

sun burnt in aus Oct 17th 2019 2:08 pm
Re: Trudeau
 
Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12749797)
Not very convincing, I'm afraid.

LOL

this is the age of the narcissist - i'm not surprised

jimf Oct 18th 2019 4:16 am
Re: Trudeau
 
Liberals, Conservatives, Trudeau, Scheer pretty much the same according to the Guardian anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e_iOSApp_Other

Shard Oct 18th 2019 4:27 am
Re: Trudeau
 
Originally Posted by jimf (Post 12750507)
Liberals, Conservatives, Trudeau, Scheer pretty much the same according to the Guardian anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e_iOSApp_Other
Not my interpretation of the article. It seemed to be urging a shift to the left, recognised that Conservatives were far from that, and that with a strong NDP vote the Liberals may end up in moving away from the right to form a coalition with them.

BristolUK Oct 18th 2019 5:19 am
Re: Trudeau
 
Originally Posted by jimf (Post 12750507)
Liberals, Conservatives, Trudeau, Scheer pretty much the same according to the Guardian anyway.
That's pretty much North America. Right of centre and the 'other' party a bit less right of centre :rofl:

Paul_Shepherd Oct 18th 2019 5:35 am
Re: Trudeau
 
Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12750516)
Not my interpretation of the article. It seemed to be urging a shift to the left, recognised that Conservatives were far from that, and that with a strong NDP vote the Liberals may end up in moving away from the right to form a coalition with them.
Thats how I interpreted it too ...

The Guardian so left wing though, its the newspaper version of the BBC! impartiality seems to be a thing of the past when it comes to news coverage nowadays.

jimf Oct 18th 2019 5:42 am
Re: Trudeau
 
Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12750516)
Not my interpretation of the article. It seemed to be urging a shift to the left, recognised that Conservatives were far from that, and that with a strong NDP vote the Liberals may end up in moving away from the right to form a coalition with them.
It seemed to be saying that there is very little difference between the liberals and conservatives so a liberal government would mean more of the same. Only by being forced into a coalition with the NDP would the liberals be likely to deviate from common liberal/conservative aligned policies.

dbd33 Oct 18th 2019 5:55 am
Re: Trudeau
 
Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12750545)
Thats how I interpreted it too ...

The Guardian so left wing though, its the newspaper version of the BBC! impartiality seems to be a thing of the past when it comes to news coverage nowadays.
I don't agree with this at all. The BBC is trudging along the same as it ever has but the conservatives have swung violently to the right. Johnson/Trump/Scheer/Ford would have been viewed as a lunatic fringe by even Thatcher.

jimf Oct 18th 2019 6:15 am
Re: Trudeau
 
Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12750545)
Thats how I interpreted it too ...

The Guardian so left wing though, its the newspaper version of the BBC! impartiality seems to be a thing of the past when it comes to news coverage nowadays.
Even Corbyn isn’t left wing enough for the Guardian. Channel 4 news is always worth a watch to see what the latest “**** the tories” views are. The BBC probably genuinely think they are unbiased, just like David Icke thought he was the son of God.

BristolUK Oct 18th 2019 6:52 am
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Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12750545)
The Guardian so left wing though, its the newspaper version of the BBC! impartiality seems to be a thing of the past when it comes to news coverage nowadays.
In the guardian today...
Boris Johnson has a deal. Now MPs must end the agony and vote it through

We as MPs need to come together to get Brexit done – and move on
This piece by Labour's Melanie Onn and Conservative's Victoria Prentis.

So two articles going completely against the Guardian's general editorial stance and this is something they frequently do on any political subject - and one of them jointly done by MPs from two opposing parties.

I think your view about the paper is fairly typical but completely wrong.

Can you come up with a better example of impartiality or fairness? How about that Mail front page in the Boris thread. Impartial?

CanadaJimmy Oct 18th 2019 7:10 am
Re: Trudeau
 
Originally Posted by jimf (Post 12750507)
Liberals, Conservatives, Trudeau, Scheer pretty much the same according to the Guardian anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e_iOSApp_Other
It's sad and untrue when people think this way. What party gets into power will have a real effect on people's lives, particularly when it comes to government funded facilties, programs, services etc.

Doug Ford just gutted Ontario's Student loans (OSAP) and some people have had to drop out of their courses because they could no longer get the loans required to pay for them. That kind of thing is a real consequence.

Shard Oct 18th 2019 7:23 am
Re: Trudeau
 
Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12750551)
I don't agree with this at all. The BBC is trudging along the same as it ever has but the conservatives have swung violently to the right. Johnson/Trump/Scheer/Ford would have been viewed as a lunatic fringe by even Thatcher.
Would this be the lunatic spectrum (most to least)...

Trump
Ford
Johnson
Scheer*

* honourable mention due to religiosity.




Shard Oct 18th 2019 7:28 am
Re: Trudeau
 
Originally Posted by jimf (Post 12750561)

Even Corbyn isn’t left wing enough for the Guardian. Channel 4 news is always worth a watch to see what the latest “**** the tories” views are. The BBC probably genuinely think they are unbiased, just like David Icke thought he was the son of God.
Even in the Guardian there is a range of political leaning. Very few writers would not find Corbyn sufficiently left wing, in fact maybe none. C4 is reassuringly consistent in its views which I would say are "leftish." The Beeb seems to try very hard to present a neutral political view, despite being staffed by many on the left. Considering the counterweight of the Telegraph, Mail and Express, I don't think it's a problem.

Paul_Shepherd Oct 18th 2019 7:38 am
Re: Trudeau
 
Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12750551)
I don't agree with this at all. The BBC is trudging along the same as it ever has but the conservatives have swung violently to the right. Johnson/Trump/Scheer/Ford would have been viewed as a lunatic fringe by even Thatcher.
I am talking about journalism not politicians..... Trump is very right wing, and is an idiot in general so is not a good representation at all. An uneducated buffoon..

The BBC have always been left wing biased.....just ask Peter Sissons he wrote a book about it!

Shard Oct 18th 2019 7:40 am
Re: Trudeau
 
Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12750625)
I am talking about journalism not politicians..... Trump is very right wing, and is an idiot in general so is not a good representation at all. An uneducated buffoon..

The BBC have always been left wing biased.....just ask Peter Sissons he wrote a book about it!
A bit difficult now... :unsure:


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